JSinghnz

Good on you to stick to your faith. It is sad that your parents are following a baba. When you are following Guru Granth Sahib, you will never ever follow any human. Keep following the path shown by our Eternal Guru and you will never go wrong.

We were given the concept of Miri and Piri way back in 1606 by Guru Hargobind Sahib ji. Miri: This word has come from the Persian word “miri”, which itself comes from the Arabic “Amir”. The word "Amir" (which is pronounced as "a-MEER") literary means commander, governor, lord, prince, ruler, chieftain, etc. and signifies temporal power or material power. The concept of Miri signifies worldly, materialist and political power. The concept is linked to the traditional power enjoyed by kings and ruler where the might of the military resulted in the power and ability to rule or influence the people. Piri: This word has again come from the Persian word “pir” which literary means saint, holy man, spiritual guide, senior man, head of a religious order and stands for spiritual authority. The concept of "Piri" is linked to the power enjoyed by religious leaders, church priests, qazis, pandits, etc. to have power or influence over the devotees by way of "spiritual power" or religious power. The words miri and piri are now frequently used together to give the concept promoted by the sixth Guru. I have not seen many Sikh leaders after our Gurus who have followed this concept to rule in Punjab, India or elsewhere for that matter. If you can think of such Sikh leaders who you think did this, please make the Sangat aware of them. And what are the reasons that even today Spiritual Sikhs are not willing to join politics and take leadership roles.

LOL. And you think I need advice from your highness. I am not into any prosecution. I am against any silly jokes about Sikhs and Sikhism. I am against any nonsense against our proud history and heritage. I am against the fools who are our so called leaders and maligning the fair name of Sikhism. I am all for all power to the Sikhs who are truthful, spiritual and all willing to join politics to lead the Sikhs and the whole world.

But I will not avoid your empty and insulting writings and will make sure others are made aware of your hollow and illogical views.

Please go and have some lessons in Sikhism.Here is one for you. The concept of "Miri Piri" was highlighted by the sixth Sikh Guru, Guru Hargobind when he was throned Guru on 11 June 1606. At the Guruship (succession) ceremony the Guru asked for two kirpans to be donned on him; one to symbolize the concept of Miri or temporal authority and the second to symbolize the concept of Piri or spiritual authority. The wearing of two swords was a departure from previous Guruship tradition when only the "salli" (for spiritual power) was worn by the preceding Gurus. For many years now, the Sikh community worldwide have honoured the sixth Guru's vision of Miri and Piri and have celebrated this vision on 21 July every year by calling this day the - Miri Piri Divas or the Miri Piri Day. What do these words mean? Miri: This word has come from the Persian word “miri”, which itself comes from the Arabic “Amir”. The word "Amir" (which is pronounced as "a-MEER") literary means commander, governor, lord, prince, ruler, chieftain, etc. and signifies temporal power or material power. The concept of Miri signifies worldly, materialist and political power. The concept is linked to the traditional power enjoyed by kings and ruler where the might of the military resulted in the power and ability to rule or influence the people. Piri: This word has again come from the Persian word “pir” which literary means saint, holy man, spiritual guide, senior man, head of a religious order and stands for spiritual authority. The concept of "Piri" is linked to the power enjoyed by religious leaders, church priests, qazis, pandits, etc. to have power or influence over the devotees by way of "spiritual power" or religious power. The words miri and piri are now frequently used together to give the concept promoted by the sixth Guru. http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Miri_Piri The biggest problem facing Sikh leadership is that the Spiritual Sikhs do not want to govern. And because of this, people like Badal have a free reign because there is no Spiritually powerful Sikh who understands both Miri and Piri to challenge them.

Instead of just talking empty as you are so used to, give me one example where I have been insulting or attacking. Do grow up and try to think before putting your thoughts to paper. How can any challenges to my beliefs be scary to me or anyone else for that matter? Your sick sense of humour where you can insult anyone for his colour or the grasp of the English language shows your immaturity and then you start whining that you can joke . LISTEN TO THIS ADVICE ," IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO LAUGH WITH OTHERS THAN AT OTHERS."

The amount of mistrust and paranoia on here is frightening, and I can imagine how someone of a less stringent disposition would turn their back on this forum (and possibly the faith) after encountering a churlish and short response to what may have been a very honest and innocent question. That's another Sikh turned away from the potential path he or she could've walked. Of course I'm not naive enough to think people make their life decisions on what they read on the internet, but in this modern world where people are sometimes disconnected from the real world and the only concept of sangat they have are the faceless people they encounter online it is a sad state of affairs when something like the aforementioned occurs. Tolerance and respect is key in my opinion. I believe how you treat and address people online is a reflection on how you behave in real life. Obviously there's caveats and we have a bad day and this sometimes bleeds over into our online persona. Lord knows I've checked my behaviour at times when I felt I deviated from what I consider to be my true character. I've actually gone on to reflect on my personality & my behaviour and whether it was me who had the problem and not somebody else. The biggest issue I see here is generalization of one's opinions and lot of scaremongering if another poster has different views from oneself. People walking away from the path on reading discussions. So you see what I mean. This is scaremongering. Then we have other posters who love to provoke others with outrageous comments. And to make it worse, then fall down to make personal attacks if they are countered. So let us try to learn from our mistakes and become more mature in discussing issues which are so important for all of us.

http://m.indianexpress.com/story_mobile.php?storyid=885354 Washington: Major Kamaljeet Singh Kalsi, the first turbaned US Sikh soldier in last 30 years, has received Bronze Star Medal, the fourth-highest combat award for his meritorious services in Afghanistan. Kalsi, a doctor, received the medal for "exceptionally meritorious service as an emergency medicine physician" while deployed in Afghanistan during the first half of 2011, the Sikh Coalition said in a statement yesterday. e was the first Sikh to be allowed to go on active duty with a turban, beard and unshorn hair in more than 20 years. Working for the rights of Sikhs in the US, Sikh Coalition was instrumental in Kalsi joining the US Army after he was refused an entry on religious grounds. Among other reasons for receiving the Bronze Star, an official recommendation from Major Kalsi's superiors cites his resuscitation back to life of two patients who were clinically dead on arrival; his "expert" emergency care of over 750 soldiers and nationals; coordination of 5 mass casualty exercises. Major Kalsi had set up camp-wide Internet access for over 200 soldiers at Camp Dwyer in Helmand, Afghanistan where he was deployed. After his service, he was promoted from Captain to Major. "It continues to be a tremendous honour to serve my country," said Kalsi. At present, US military policy forces Sikhs to remove their religiously-required turbans and facial hair in order to join the military. Over the past two years, the Army granted Major Kalsi and two other Sikh soldiers individual accommodations, which allow only them to maintain turbans and beards.

http://m.indianexpress.com/story_mobile.php?storyid=885354 Washington: Major Kamaljeet Singh Kalsi, the first turbaned US Sikh soldier in last 30 years, has received Bronze Star Medal, the fourth-highest combat award for his meritorious services in Afghanistan. Kalsi, a doctor, received the medal for "exceptionally meritorious service as an emergency medicine physician" while deployed in Afghanistan during the first half of 2011, the Sikh Coalition said in a statement yesterday. e was the first Sikh to be allowed to go on active duty with a turban, beard and unshorn hair in more than 20 years. Working for the rights of Sikhs in the US, Sikh Coalition was instrumental in Kalsi joining the US Army after he was refused an entry on religious grounds. Among other reasons for receiving the Bronze Star, an official recommendation from Major Kalsi's superiors cites his resuscitation back to life of two patients who were clinically dead on arrival; his "expert" emergency care of over 750 soldiers and nationals; coordination of 5 mass casualty exercises. Major Kalsi had set up camp-wide Internet access for over 200 soldiers at Camp Dwyer in Helmand, Afghanistan where he was deployed. After his service, he was promoted from Captain to Major. "It continues to be a tremendous honour to serve my country," said Kalsi. At present, US military policy forces Sikhs to remove their religiously-required turbans and facial hair in order to join the military. Over the past two years, the Army granted Major Kalsi and two other Sikh soldiers individual accommodations, which allow only them to maintain turbans and beards.

Can you concentrate on learning about your own religion as you had stated earlier. Consider yourself lucky to be born into the best religion in this world, Sikhism. Do not waste your energy on useless questions.

Just for you sister The translation is I will never improve

I have no hatred for you. I have just requested to open your mind, realise your mistakes and become a Sikh again. Do not say, I cannot even contemplate being a Sikh. Be proud of your heritage.

Just a normal response from someone who hasjust one motto in life HUM NAHIIN SUTHREENGE.

So you are at the wrong place. You still cannot even contemplate being a Sikh after being on this site for so long.

So perhaps you will understand how to debate one day. Well I cannot see that happening because you just cannot stop making personal jibes.

Back to your dramas, eh? Just sort out your own problems and stop making personal attacks. This is a debate which you keep forgetting or is it something else?

Sikhism has and always will encourage the quest of knowledge because that is what our religion is all about. Being a Sikh means being a learner for life.

I do not think they will understand these points of Gurmat. Well we still have to keep on trying. And in the end, we will win because truth always prevails.

Now would not it be better to just stick to the debate and stop being melodramatic. Where does living in the caves etc. come from? Gurmat never preaches that. Gurmat is the light which shows us the way through life. Guru Sahibs always encouraged us to excel in everything. They instilled confidence and fearlessness in a morally dead and frightened population. They gave the Sikhs the courage to fight injustice when rest of the crowd just bowed down to the atrocities of the tyrants. This is the objectivity which you and your so called non Sikh intellectuals should be aware of.

So has your question been answered or not? Are you now coming back to the fold and stop being a mona? Have you got the right direction? Have you had the time to read the answers on this thread and learnt something?

If that is a comic book version of history, what are you own indepth views then? And what have you learnt that makes you consider our history comical? Please do enlighten the readers here with your serious knowledge.

Maybe your baba. I don't believe in any.

Alot of Sikhs, and alot of Indians for that matter seem to believe that a great spiritual leader will come to Earth and save them and solve all of their problems. From my understanding this is actually contrary to Sikh teachings anyway. Guru Gobind Singh ji saw the Kirpan (sword) to be the greatest of miracles as it was a symbol of direct action by which an individual or nation can determine its own destiny. Can you please stop making vague statements? Where did you get this that lot of Sikhs seem to believe that a great spiritual leader will come to Earth. It is the Christians who are waiting for the second coming of Jesus.

Very good thoughts. But a few questions come to my mind. Our Gurus were so ahead of their times in that they gave equal status to women when the rest of the society treated them so badly. Sikhism is the only religion which considers men and women equal. But look at the miserable state of quite a number of followers of Sikhism today. They are still having the mindset of medieval ages and give preference to sons instead of daughters. Shame on these so called Sikhs who are giving a bad name to our religion. I wonder when will they awaken to the reality and understand the message of equality given by our Gurus.

Very nicely explained. Hope we all get a message from this and stop following this hollow practice of rakhri tying. Our Gurus showed us the path of freedom from empty rituals and having the courage to take on injustice. Kara and Kirpan are the gifts of Guru Gobind Singh ji to us to cherish and lead a life of Saint Soldiers.