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08/03/2004 added "Asa Di Vaar" by baba waryam singh ji more to come

05/03/2004 added a further divan by baba maan singh ji "Jang Chamkaur Sahib" more still to follow

ok this may get contraversial well knowing this forum probably a slanging match but through out the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sri Dasam Granth there are two types of sangats that are praised. The Satsangat and Sadhsangat I am sure that all in this forum have been in the presence of the satsangat at some point if not often but how many of you ever get involved with the sadhsangat, If you does involve yourself with the sadhsangat as i do as often as possible i would like to read your views on why you do so and what it has given you. For those that do not involve themselves with the sadhsangat i would like to hear your views why? And why you do not even though it is mentioned on many angs of Guru Sahib?

Added in my folder on the 05/03/2004 Three divaans by baba maan singh ji "Bhagat Dhanna Ji" "Prakash Ustav" "Amrit Di Shakti" more to follow soon

Added today onto my folder in the hub 3 divans by baba maan singh ji pehova walae "Man Bachae Satgur Kae Paas" "Manas Dehee Milan Dee Mehta" "Sikhi Utton Jana Warian" live recording 16/2/2001 more to come including more divans by the bhindrawalae sants, rarae walae sants and nanaksar sants.

my fathers father (paternal grandfather) was a radhasoami he took his amrit from them in the 1940s while in delhi. His rehit was very strict. He would wake up every morning at amrit vela, do the full nit nem then two 108 beaded malas of mool mantra. rehraas and kirtan sohila in the evening. no meat no smoking no intoxicants allowed. kept his 5 k's and was a great follower of baba ishar singh ji rara sahib and sants and sadhus. Also ultimate respect of guru granth sahib ji as we kept guru sahib at home. just because they treat their guru as another sadhu was the only difference. i cannot criticise him as he made me what i am today never tried to make me a radhasoami. made me follow sikhi and tought me nothing about his faith. when i asked him why he didnt take amrit from the 5 piaray he stated that amrit is not just water and should not be taken for granted. there is no difference in the amrit i and he had taken as you should not look at who you have taken it from or the rehit that you have been given but amrit is irreplacable and starts a chain reaction inside you in order to gain the amrit from the dasam dwar. he taught me that god is like reaching the pinnicale of everest lots of people start at the bottom and work their way to the top. some get there quicker some slower some slower but all end up there. after that i realised it is futile to argue and accept that god graces all no matter what you follow.

added "sant saajan bhae sarsae" by baba baljeet singh jee dadoo sahib walae.

added today Katha Kirtan by baba Balvinder Singh Ji kooralee walay - sach khand jaan waliya Katha Kirtan by Baba Baljeet Singh Dadoo Sahib walay - rahit maryada Katha Kirtan by Baba Waryam Singh Ji Ratwara Sahib walay - guru Arjan Dev Ji Di Shaheedi more to follow

i would do if you tell me how to and what program i should use.

just to let you know i have the following for all on the hub to download in my folder Dasam Bani - Chandi Di vaar, Chandi Carritar, Akaal Ustat and Ugardantee Nitnem by baba Baljinder singh ji from Rara Sahib Numerous photos of Sants and smagams Kirtan from Bhai Balbir Singh Ji including bir raas kitan and a new cd About four divans by baba Amar Singh Ji from Nanaksar 2 VCDs one of Baba Baljinder Singh Ji kooralee walay and Baba Mohinder Singh Ji Rara Sahib Walay Divan by Baba Waryam singh ji about Guru Amar Das Ji Divan By Baba Darshan Singh Ji evertime i get something new i will update this thread.

other sites <Anti-Sikh Site> www.rarasahib.com www.atammarg.org www.jargsahib.com

reason why you are being constantly disconnected is the same reason why i happened to me. what you need to do before you log on is go to your setting and add folders enough at least so that you have 20MB worth of stuff to share with people in the hub. after you have done that try it again and you should have no problems.

sorry all i think that this is jooth to a point however i do not think we should be that concerned as this is more of a bhrmanistic thing where they declare everything as unclean if not served in a specific manner. i personally would not worry about it but i am sure others will beg to differ.

also just added another CD by bhai balbir singh caller Vaday Bhag Mere Prabhu Daras Paiye which was done on the barsi of sant dalel singh ji check it out.

also nitnem by baba baljinder singh ji from rara sahib uploaded in my folder. please feel free to download it. more katha and kirtan coming soon also.

just go into the hub click on the first icon which when you go on it should say public hubs. once on that screen type kirtan in the filter and press enter. you should come up with it on the screen just click on it and you will be in the hub. hope that helps.

just put on the kirtan hub some katha kirtan by Bhai Balbir Singh ji ex hazoori raagi of harmandar sahib. I have not heard it or found it on the net before more stuff to do with the dasam and sarbloh bani it is taken from the barsi of baba deep singh ji. please feel free to download it.

that sound cool in order for advancement. creation of farms and langar for community. creation of stables various shastervidiya penthras to help the martial advancement. Different banis to create knowledge. Like the original we could have manjis as originally started to spread the faith and increase conversions. we all need to collectively come up with scripts and ideas if we want to have even a chance of making this idea reality.

three things i would love to see in 50 years time. 1) For Nankana Sahib to be the gretest attraction of the world. for it to be as clean as any other sikh shrine. this was the place where nirankar decided to come back to earth. Also live 24 hours raag kirtan coming live from there. 2) To be able to visit mecca, and baghdad where guru nanak dev ji went and having something put up in their name to commemorate their great achievments so that the islamic nation will give the respect to guru nanak dev ji that they deserve. To make the gurdwara in baghdad well known and show its splender to the world. 3) Create a modest but beautiful gurdwara in Khurm Iran where bhai Mardana the humble great soul left the earth while having their head on the feet of guru granth sahib ji. To fine the grave that guru nanak dev ji created for them and preserving the great name of a disciple that no one else could ever match. i have been tasked along with a few others to try and find ways of making these things possible for the future generations and would appeal for any help and advice that i could get from here or any other forums to make these places have the glory that they deserve for the famous sakhis and indiviuals of Gods great faith.

i read the choupai in my rehraas every evening from a nihang gutka. the choupai is longer to then the one in the taksal gutkas with bani added from the dasam granth and sarbloh granth. In this it is sagri srist there is no siharee there as in the taksal gutka. thats what i want to know who put that these. In respect to the Rehraas should be done according to the way the SGPC say is rubbish. they are diluting sikhi. I have access to a larivaar gutka from the early 1800s. In that the rehraas is even longer then the ones in the nihang gutka with all forty paurees of the anand sahib in it and a lot more dasam bani. Also the aarta and aartee are alot longer I think the bani should be the same as it was then not continually shortening it from the advice given by corrupt people who are run by the indian government.

ghulam singh say what you may please about who you want. have you ever personally met the person if not then don't critcise on behalf of what others have stated. they have much knowledge and gian like other sants. read the society of the saints by baba jagjeet singh ji Harkhowalae and read their praise of baba amar singh ji speak to baba hari singh ji rhandawa walae and hear the praise that they have given in previous divans. They asked other gurdwaras to take their gurdwaras and practices for examples listen to baba baljinder singh ji from rara sahib they will say the same ask baba Sarbjot singh ji bedi who are the 17th descendants of Guru Nanak Dev ji they will also praise them why not speak to baba amar singh ji they are in wolverhampton til the 31st of january. if you cannot go there but can come to leicester on saturday as they are doing asa di vaar feel free to do so. you seem to be happy to listen to idle gossip but not anything from intellects. if you want to know about Guru Nanak Dev Ji and their Udhasis then ask them they will show you where they have been. why dont you ask them why guru ji came to the earth and how seven of their close family and friends did gods' tapasiya at what is know harmandar sahib in order to bring them to the earth i bet no one will tell you things like that. i dont think fraudsters nd fakes know things like that.

another good book garland around my neck it is about bhagat pooran singh from pinglewara. the amount of seva done by this great soul is unexplainable this man saw sikhi as something special which led him to become one of the most unselfish people ever. a book that everybody should read.

very good post. definately worth the time taken to read it.

definately the blue always wondered why the taksal gutka has different words in the Chaupai sahib Does anyone know why?

according to Bhai Gurdas Ji, Guru Nanak Dev Ji went to nou khand which means everywhere. In 1975 In the final months of Baba Ishar Singh Ji Rara Sahib Walae used to go around a park in Wolverhampton in England numerous times reciting bani. After they had done so they would go and sit facing a tree and bow to it. Many Sikhs had seen this and eventually plucked up the corouge to ask why this was part of their daily routine. Baba Ji stated that whilst in that city Guru Nanak Dev Ji sat under that tree and got shade from it while they prayed. Unfortunatly many attempts have been made to get the land however the council state it is recreational property and not for sale so it seems to be like talking to a brick wall. Baba Amar Singh Ji and the late Baba Madhsoodhan Singh Ji have told us that Guru Nanak Dev ji have visited leicester and can show us the spot however we have not persued the matter in case we have the same problem as the sikhs in wolverhampton I am sure in the cities that you live in Guru Sahib have been there as well