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lol yea he is :doh: they aint up yet :doh: hehe... the ones there are from april... we're in July!! stop living in the past

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...ritain_bombings London Bombs May Have Been Suicide Attacks By THOMAS WAGNER, Associated Press Writer 4 minutes ago LEEDS, England - New evidence suggests four suicide bombers, including at least three Britons of Pakistani descent, carried out the terror attacks in London, officials said Tuesday. Surveillance cameras captured the men as they arrived in the capital just 20 minutes before the explosions began. ADVERTISEMENT Police raided six homes in Leeds searching for explosives and computer files that would shed more light on what were believed to be the first suicide bombings in Western Europe. They arrested a man, identified by the British news agency Press Association as a relative of one of the suspected bombers. A town councilor told The Associated Press that at least three of the presumed suicide bombers were British citizens of Pakistani ancestry. One bomber was thought to be Shahzad Tanweer, a 22-year-old cricket-loving sports science graduate, and another was a teenager, Press Association reported. On its Web site, The Times newspaper named Tanweer, as well as Leeds residents Hasib Hussain, 19, and Mohammed Sidique Khan, the 30-year-old father of an eight-month old baby. The newspaper said police were still trying to identify the fourth bomber. Without citing sources, the Times said the mastermind behind the attacks as well as the bombmaker were still thought to be at large. Police found a "bomb factory" during the Leeds raids, the newspaper said. Press Association said the men had driven a rental car to Luton, 30 miles north of London, and then boarded a commuter train to London's King's Cross station. Police closed Luton's train station and carried out a controlled explosion on a parked car, which the BBC reported had explosives. Closed-circuit TV video showed all four men arriving at King's Cross by 8:30 a.m. on Thursday, about 20 minutes before the blasts began, Peter Clarke, head of the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist branch, told a Scotland Yard news conference. U.S. intelligence agencies are checking the names of the London bombers against their databases looking for any U.S. connection, President Bush told a group of chief executives at a private White House meeting Tuesday. Tom Noonan, head of Atlanta-based Internet Security Systems, said the president described the bombings as suicide attacks during a meeting with members of the White House's National Infrastructure Advisory Council, a group of CEOs who provide advice about keeping important networks secure. Two militant Islamic groups have claimed responsibility for the bombings, which killed at least 52 people on three subway trains and on a bus. Police had previously indicated there was no evidence of suicide bombings, suggesting instead that timers were used. Although police stopped short of calling them suicide attacks, Clarke said "strong forensic and other evidence" suggests one of the suspects was killed in a subway bombing and property belonging to the three others was found at the location of the other blasts. "The investigation quite early led us to have concerns about the movements and activities of four men, three of whom came from the West Yorkshire area. We are trying to establish their movements in the run-up to last week's attacks, and specifically to establish if they all died in the explosions," Clarke said. The West Yorkshire region includes Leeds, and the homes of the three suspects from the city were among the six that were searched Tuesday. Acting on six warrants, British soldiers blasted their way into an unoccupied, modest Leeds row house. Streets were cordoned off and about 500 people were evacuated. Hours earlier, police searched five homes elsewhere in the city. Later Tuesday, police said a security alert was issued at Britain's House of Commons, but didn't say why. No evacuation had been ordered. Mohammed Iqbal, a town councilor who represents the City-on-Hunslet section of Leeds, told AP that all of the homes raided in Leeds belong to "British citizens of Pakistani origin." Three of the homes were in the neighborhood he represents, Iqbal said in a phone call with AP's office in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital. He said he had just met with police about the investigation. "This is not good for Muslims," Iqbal said. "We have businesses here. There will be a backlash." Several officials, including Foreign Minister Jack Straw, have said the attacks bore the "hallmark" of al-Qaida, and one of the questions investigators are presumably trying to answer is whether the four suspects had outside help in planning the attacks. Jeremy Shapiro, director of research at the center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution, said Europeans had been involved in suicide attacks in the Mideast, but he knew of no successful suicide bombings in Western Europe previously. Pakistan's government has been a key ally in the war on terror, hunting down hundreds of al-Qaida suspects and turning them over to the United States. But as in most of the Islamic world, its citizens have been deeply opposed to British and American military action in Afghanistan and Iraq. Police did not identify the four suspects believed to have been killed. A senior security official, who has viewed the closed-circuit TV footage, told Press Association that the men were talking casually as they carried their bombs in backpacks at the King's Cross station. Clarke said police had strong evidence that the man believed to have carried a bomb onto the subway train that exploded between the Aldgate and Liverpool Street stations died in the blast, and they were awaiting confirmation from the coroner. One of the suspects had been reported missing by his family at 10 p.m. Thursday, and some of his property was found on the double-decker bus in which 13 died, Clarke said. "We have now been able to establish that he was joined on his journey to London by three other men," he said. Some witness accounts suggested the bus bomber may have blundered, blowing up the wrong target and accidentally killing himself. A witness who got off the crowded bus just before it exploded told AP he saw an agitated man in his 20s fiddling anxiously with something in his bag. "This young guy kept diving into this bag or whatever he had in front of his feet, and it was like he was taking a couple of grapes off a bunch of grapes, both hands were in the bag," said Richard Jones, 61, of Bracknell, west of London. "He must have done that at least every minute if not every 30 seconds," he said. One theory suggested the attacker may have intended to leave his bomb on the subway but was unable to board because his coconspirators had already shut the system down. Investigators also found personal documents bearing the names of two of the other men near seats on the Aldgate and Edgware lines. Police did not identify the men. Leeds, about 185 miles north of London, has a population of about 715,000. About 15 percent of the residents are Muslim, and many come from a tight-knit Pakistani community, mostly from Mirpur, south of Islamabad in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir. Other pockets of the community are mostly Arab, coming from a variety of countries including Syria and Saudi Arabia. The military, including a bomb squad, carried out the controlled explosion at the row house at 11:30 a.m. so detectives could enter the home in Burley, a neighborhood where public signs in storefronts and even a Church of England community center are printed in English and Arabic. No one was in the house at the time of the raid, police Inspector Miles Himsworth said. Detectives were scouring it for explosives and other items, possibly computers, he said. Khalid Muneer, 28, a spokesman for the Hyde Park Mosque in Leeds, said the community was surprised by the raids and police claims that the bombers may have come from there. "That connection would surprise us all, even shock the whole community. We still think it's too early to say," he told AP, adding that Muslims in the area were not opposed to Britain. "I've seen no calls in this area for jihad against British or American forces. You will not get that sentiment expressed around this mosque." Cordons kept bystanders about away from the house in Burley and police helped arrange prayers scheduled at a nearby mosque to be moved to other mosques nearby, Himsworth said. Police said their painstaking investigation was moving ahead, and warned that the death toll would continue to rise. Fifty-six people remained hospitalized Tuesday. Forensics experts have said it could take days or weeks to identify the bodies, many of which were blown apart and would have to be identified through dental records or DNA analysis. Investigators said late Tuesday that 11 bodies have been identified. ___ Associated Press reporters Beth Gardiner in London and Sadaqat Jan in Islamabad, Pakistan, contributed to this report.

yea i heard that the turnout was amazing and a lot of youth were there :doh: awesome job guys... i so wish i could have gone but i was in a meeting :doh: sucks but yea i heard on the radio that everythign was a big success and that they did get media coverage aswell... there was also a rally right infront of the police headquarters... right infront of college park today.. they were "brown".. does neone know what this was about?

oh yay :doh: i like family outings :doh: hehe dont worry me know the truth, u need ur big sis there to protect u :doh:

a rose only smells good if someone is there to smell it..... how do u know that it smells good, if it didnt grow in ur garden? a falling tree only makes noise if someone is there to hear it..... how do u know it made noise if ur not there to hear it? lol just joking, ur right veerji, that one should stay in chardikala always... but veerji, its always good to go out and teach others the little knowledge that we have.. and learn what they have to teach aswell no?

oh i thougth we were takling about pictures :doh: sorry ofcourse bani should be agan pait sorry for my mistake i misunderstood

.. jio.... when ur about to do something and u feel something pull at ur heart.. that makes u stop.. and u feel that what ur diong is wrong.... then its wrong...... some will throw them away.. others will burn them... if u will feel peace by throwing them away then do that.. if u will feel peace by burning them then do that. ji, if u throw them away when in ur heart u think u should burn them it will stay there... and u will think about it always... now after u've heard everyones explanations.. and reasoning.. look deep in ur heart and see what is the best thing for u.. what will give u peace of mind. in the end we need to remember that materialistic thigns dont matter.. whether u throw it out or burn it.. do what gives u peace of mind. bhul chuk maaf Fateh

".. and sony dont worry you sleep like at 1-2 am anyway .. so you will get up on time no worries .. unless you reli get high on naam the night before .." lol true said but i pretend to be asleeeeeeeeep!!! :doh: hehe

fine fine u guys win :doh: lol i still stick to the fact that u guys are all afraid of bugs that said and put aside :doh: this seems to be turning into an awesome day!! :doh: wonderland and kirtan :doh: yaaay :doh: !! so who's going bunjee jumping :doh: ???

i think sikhs need to start going out into the community and do seva in large groups, ie. go to the hospitals and spend the day with children there, get involved with your local police station and go with them when they speak about violence or drinking and driving to different schools. (see drinking and driving and then u can just casually slip in that me being a sikh we not supposed to drink neway :doh: ) neee way .. dont just do events for ourselves, but the community as a whole, if we start doing this then the younger generation will want to join since they are so used to being in a multicultural environment and not just all "Sikhs" and "Punjabi's" (in canada neway)

sukhpal veerji..... may i ask what u wish to accomplish? I have a feeling there is something more... or something u would like ... what do u wish to accomplish from posting here right now veerji and ahving this topic continue? is there something u want the sangat to do? certain steps to be taken? U need to be clear about what u wish to accomplish

ji .. its sunday night :doh: i have work monday morning... so ..... i dont know how late it will go to if we end up going to the gurudwara sahib....

actually here in toronto too.... we had a lot of cops in the subway stations today (Younge and Bloor area).... i think something happened... its scary :doh:

I havnt tried the funnel cake yet ..

heera singh, why are you so engrossed in maya, that you have fallen in love with physical structures, rather than falling in love WITH love, i.e guru ji. heera singh, maaya is all around us, in the form of tv, video games, cars, houses, women (or men), sex, greed, anger, ego, attachment, physical buildings, emotions...... heera bhaaji, apaan guru saahib dey gusikh ban-na... inda matlab hai, key, apaan maya vich NEI fassna chahida... sharam karkay, AKHAAN KHOLKAY, tera HAAL vekh! tera piyaar guru val nei ja rahiya, koi HALL val chal rahiya hai... what would guru saahib think... vekho, gursikh bhain, sony kaur, ne inni PYAAR naal suggest keeta si, ke guru saaahib de pavitr, NATURAL asthaan vich, gurbaani parr liyay, gurbaani gaaeyai, gurbaani suniyay, guru naal JURRIYAY, te phir tu kee kya? "we can kick it at my place, with PEEJA" what, peeja tinnu theek lagda? langar lei, apaan sirf peeja khaakay, pavitr hovaangay? guru saahib ne aakhiya key SIMPLE rakhna chahida hai... peeja naal KOI mukti nei honi... bass, appan nu, sirf Parshaada, daal , dahin tey paani chahdi hai. Heera Singh Sahib Jio, walls will be built, carpets will be laid down, materials and minerals will be fused together to make steel and plaastic and fibreglass, but duniya vich, sirf IK CHEEZ SADDAAAA rahegi... and that is guruji... think about it heera singh... THINK about it... (YO make sure all y'all try Funnel Cake at Wonderland) 108429[/snapback] I think they just afraid of bugs umm it may turn into a good idea to be inside cus of all the smog and heat advisories... so its up to u guys..... but defo the bugs are getting to them

naaaai :doh: me wants to go outside after to do kirtan :doh: pweeeeeeese :doh: then after whichever guy wants to come to ur house to "kick it" can do that at their own risk

like i said before.. there are many places where they let sardars ride now without a helmet.. if they are wearing a dastar.. why not just try to get this done in ur own country?

hey about the kirtan after, forget going to some persons house.. lets pack a vajaa and tabla in the car.. go to a park :doh: and do kirtan there :doh: :doh: it'll be sooo awesome :doh: !!!

yaaay :doh: congratulations guys !!! :doh: may guru ji keep u guys in chardhikala always :doh:

This article is not only about Sikhs... I think one of the most important things we need to take away from this is how we have such misconceptions of people. Even on this forum we have seen many posts were a certain group of people are labeled as a whole. I actually stopped reading the article in the beginning, then seeing the replies to the article i decided to read through. its hard to read through all that, hearing the things said, but i dont think we would have appreciated the true sig of what he was trying to say if he didnt show how he had really felt before...

pretty sure it was bibi gurpreet kaur. 108240[/snapback] Yaaaay Thank u :doh: Yaaay Thank u :TH: lol

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! :doh: :doh: !! HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY. MAY GURU JI BLESS YOU WITH EVERYTHING PERFECT FOR YOU :doh:

there are people who are ignorent but dont label everyone that way. that is the same thing being done to Sikhs.. they are all being labeled.... i think the flyers are a good idea... but u guys need to do more.. reach the media dont expect them to just talk about u..,.. go to them.. and explain what is happening. write into news companies, news papers... give interviews.. whatever u can!!

lol k u gotta understand, im from canada and the whole idea of gas masks and stuff is a bit foreign for us but um i thought there was already a law... at least here in canada.. wher elike if ur riding a motorcycle and ur wearing a pug u dont need to wear a helmet also .. docs prob come into the same prob cus they wear those masks on their faces and cant have hair coming out no? what do they do?