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  1. The answer is crystal clear Paji. The review etc isn't even good enough. We need a minimum of £100million plus reparations (in the form of international development funding by the UK Government) ploughed into community projects in Punjab for the upliftment of poor Sikhs suffering illiteracy, cancer, infanticide, social discrimination, drugs, alcohol (and the surviving victims of the Genocide against Sikhs launched by Indira Gandhi and her son Rajiv) etc ... given the then UK Government's assistance in the Genocide against Sikhs. The Sikh Council UK, Kesri Lehar, Sikhs for Justice, Sikh Federation UK etc need to join hands to actively and aggressively lobby for this £100million compensation by June 2014 to mark 30years and we can push them on that. If we write in our hundreds to them, then they in turn will consider our input. The Department for International Development regularly doles out billions overseas (around £9billion globally last year) so the Sikh Qaum should be able to secure this if we try and we effectively lobby for it with one united voice as this is common sense. I do not advocate any fool burns the Union Jack as a way of getting our point across (as i suspect GOI will try defame us like that). Should we not succeed in getting Cameron to commit £100million to help those suffering various problems in Punjab etc we can always play our own part in making 2014 a year of meaningful progression for our Panth to mark 30 years of hurt. With the painful history of 1984 and the subsequent Genocide of Sikhs that occurred ... there's nothing we can do to turn back time now. However, 30 years on what we youth in the West can certainly do is set ourselves aims and objectives as members of the Sikh Panth to hit the following targets for Panthic upliftment by combatting drugs, alcohol, biraderi, infanticide, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. All bakhre bakhre Gurdware must be merged as soon as possible, if we seriously care about the future of our Panth. UK Sangat to raise £30 million plus by June 2014 Canadian Sangat to C$30 million plus by June 2014 American Sangat to raise $30 million plus by June 2014 Other Diaspora Countries Sangat should target $10million plus by June 2014 India-based Sangat could arguably raise R300crores plus by June 2014 And with an eventual target of national Panj Pyaaray representatives from each country handing over their respective nation Sangat's cheques to the SGPC for firewalled projects for Panthic Upliftment in combatting drugs, alcohol, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer and poverty ... and every penny of the funds presented to SGPC in June 2014 being watched over by auditors to confirm that Badal Dal cannot access, use or waste a single penny of the funds raised by Sangat, thereby transforming SGPC into a clean saanjha charitable vehicle for the Upliftment of the Poor and management of United Gurdwara's as it was always intended. Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj must be translated into Tamil, Bengali, Oriya, Telugu, Swahili, Yoruba and all African languages etc to get the Truth of what Sikhi represents out there further. Rather than just remembering the past, we need to actively attack the current silent Genocide occuring via infanticide, drugs, cancer, illiteracy, biraderi and poverty. As JasSinghKhalsa Ji said> let's hear every forum members idea's on how we actually make this happen. Let's all contact our local Sikh organisations and us as normal Sangat try spread this agenda like a virus!
  2. UKL = Paji i think that exposes why SAD (Amritsar) are not taken seriously and don't muster 1% of MLA's. By falsely accusing Talwandi, Longowal and Tohra of being complicit in the most anti-Sikh desecration of the 20th Century is a disgrace, when people on the ground and constituents of the aforementioned can see otherwise. Instead of SAD (Amritsar) accusing fellow Sikhs wose life actions for the Panth speak for themselves they should concentrate on what we can all unitedly now do 30 years later to get our Qaum out of the mess we are in since 1984. lsingh, on 07 Feb 2014 - 20:50, said: UKL = We the UK based Sikh Panth should unite and with a 500,000 plus voice demand reparations from the Treasury for the UK Government's complicity in the Genocide of Sikhs. JasSinghKhalsa, on 07 Feb 2014 - 20:55, said: The answer is crystal clear Paji. The review etc isn't even good enough. We need a minimum of £100million plus reparations (in the form of international development funding by the UK Government) ploughed into community projects in Punjab for the upliftment of poor Sikhs suffering illiteracy, cancer, infanticide, social discrimination, drugs, alcohol (and the surviving victims of the Genocide against Sikhs launched by Indira Gandhi and her son Rajiv) etc ... given the then UK Government's assistance in the Genocide against Sikhs. The Sikh Council UK, Kesri Lehar, Sikhs for Justice, Sikh Federation UK etc need to join hands to actively and aggressively lobby for this £100million compensation by June 2014 to mark 30years and we can push them on that. The Department for International Development regularly doles out billions overseas (around £9billion globally last year) so the Sikh Qaum should be able to secure this if we try and we effectively lobby for it with one united voice as this is common sense. I do not advocate any fool burns the Union Jack as a way of getting our point across (as i suspect GOI will try defame us like that). Should we not succeed in getting Cameron to commit £100million to help those suffering various problems in Punjab etc we can always play our own part in making 2014 a year of meaningful progression for our Panth to mark 30 years of hurt. With the painful history of 1984 and the Genocide occurred and there's nothing we can do to turn back time now. However, 30 years on what we youth in the West can certainly do is set ourselves aims and objectives as members of the Sikh Panth to hit the following targets for Panthic upliftment by combatting drugs, alcohol, biraderi, infanticide, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. All bakhre bakhre Gurdware must be merged as soon as possible. UK Sangat to raise £30 million plus by June 2014 Canadian Sangat to C$30 million plus by June 2014 American Sangat to raise $30 million plus by June 2014 Other Diaspora Countries Sangat should target $10million plus by June 2014 India-based Sangat could arguably raise R300crores plus by June 2014 And with an eventual target of national Panj Pyaaray representatives from each country handing over their respective nation Sangat's cheques to the SGPC for firewalled projects for Panthic Upliftment in combatting drugs, alcohol, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer and poverty and every penny of the funds presented to SGPC in June 2014 being watched over by auditors to confirm that Badal Dal cannot access, use or waste a single penny of the funds raised by Sangat, thereby transforming SGPC into a clean saanjha charitable vehicle for the Upliftment of the Poor and management of United Gurdwara's as it was always intended. Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj must be translated into Tamil, Bengali, Oriya, Telugu etc, etc to get the Truth of what Sikhi represents out there further. Rather than just remembering the past, we need to actively attack the current silent Genocide occuring via infanticide, drugs, cancer, illiteracy, biraderi and poverty. Let's hear every forum members idea's on how we actually make this happen. Let's all contact Sikh organisations and us as Sangat try spread this agenda like a virus!
  3. UKL = We the UK based Sikh Panth should unite and with a 500,000 plus voice demand reparations from the Treasury for the UK Government's complicity in the Genocide of Sikhs. The answer is crystal clear Paji. The review etc isn't even good enough. We need a minimum of £100million plus reparations (in the form of international development funding by the UK Government) ploughed into community projects in Punjab for the upliftment of poor Sikhs suffering illiteracy, cancer, infanticide, social discrimination, drugs, alcohol (and the surviving victims of the Genocide against Sikhs launched by Indira Gandhi and her son Rajiv) etc ... given the then UK Government's assistance in the Genocide against Sikhs. The Sikh Council UK, Kesri Lehar, Sikhs for Justice, Sikh Federation UK etc need to join hands to actively and aggressively lobby for this £100million compensation by June 2014 to mark 30years and we can push them on that. The Department for International Development regularly doles out billions overseas (around £9billion globally last year) so the Sikh Qaum should be able to secure this if we try and we effectively lobby for it with one united voice as this is common sense. I do not advocate any fool burns the Union Jack as a way of getting our point across (as i suspect GOI will try defame us like that). Should we not succeed in getting Cameron to commit £100million to help those suffering various problems in Punjab etc we can always play our own part in making 2014 a year of meaningful progression for our Panth to mark 30 years of hurt. With the painful history of 1984 and the Genocide occurred and there's nothing we can do to turn back time now. However, 30 years on what we youth in the West can certainly do is set ourselves aims and objectives as members of the Sikh Panth to hit the following targets for Panthic upliftment by combatting drugs, alcohol, biraderi, infanticide, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. All bakhre bakhre Gurdware must be merged as soon as possible. UK Sangat to raise £30 million plus by June 2014 Canadian Sangat to C$30 million plus by June 2014 American Sangat to raise $30 million plus by June 2014 Other Diaspora Countries Sangat should target $10million plus by June 2014 India-based Sangat could arguably raise R300crores plus by June 2014 And with an eventual target of national Panj Pyaaray representatives from each country handing over their respective nation Sangat's cheques to the SGPC for firewalled projects for Panthic Upliftment in combatting drugs, alcohol, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer and poverty and every penny of the funds presented to SGPC in June 2014 being watched over by auditors to confirm that Badal Dal cannot access, use or waste a single penny of the funds raised by Sangat, thereby transforming SGPC into a clean saanjha charitable vehicle for the Upliftment of the Poor and management of United Gurdwara's as it was always intended. Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj must be translated into Tamil, Bengali, Oriya, Telugu etc, etc to get the Truth of what Sikhi represents out there further. Rather than just remembering the past, we need to actively attack the current silent Genocide occuring via infanticide, drugs, cancer, illiteracy, biraderi and poverty. Let's hear every forum members idea's on how we actually make this happen. Let's all contact Sikh organisations and us as Sangat try spread this agenda like a virus!
  4. Well said L.Singh Ji. Instead of wasting money on a worthless statue (as our Qaum does on the structure of religious buildings contrary to Gurmat) the Kisumu Sikhs would have been better advised to direct the money wasted on such a statue into local community seva. Furthermore perhaps uniting the factionalised Gurdware in Kisumu into one merged United Gurdwara with greater representation of local African Sikhs on the committee would have marked the occasion more fittingly. One thing is clear, every penny wasted on "pomp" should go instead towards things with a long term seva legacy relating to health, education, societal upliftment and parchaar.
  5. UKL = If someone ever bows before Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj they are thus Sikh (including yourself). Even the name Zorawar Singh should be instructive to you given that in those times the Hindu Rajputs of the Kahluria clan from Bilaspur region would not generally keep names as closely associated with Sikh history as Zorawar. The fact is that it is Hindu Rajputs who are afraid of the wider public recognising Zorawar Singh (Kahluria) as a Sikh General of the Khalsa Fauj. My understanding is that even the name Zorawar Singh was taken by him upon Amrit (at which point he shed his erstwhile clan ancestry forever). UKL = Kahluria's mainly being Hindu nowadays (as they always were) does not mean that those of Kahluria ancestry did not become Sikh and renounce their erstwhile ancestry as members of united casteless Khalsa Panth. Zorawar Singh was not a Dogra and nor from Jammu, as i understand, since he was born in the area between Bilaspur and Sri Anandpur Sahib. The ancient name of Bilaspur is Kahlur of course and thus Kahluria is a geographic name indicating that he was not was neither Dogra and nor from Jammu and in likelihood not Hindu at the end of his life either. UKL = The Khalsa Panth is there for the service to the defenceless within ALL of humanity (Sarbat Da Bhalla). If Hindu's were the innocent victims of Aurangzeb in Kashmir, for example, that does not mean that the Khalsa Panth did not defend Jains or Budhhists or even innocent Muslims elsewhere for that matter. But Jonny Paji i think the logic being used by our Bachittar Natak believing friend is that because your ancestors were Hindu a couple of generations back, until the parchaar by Giani Ditt Singh Ji's Singh Sabha then you must likely be Hindu as well despite it being 2014 (despite your opposition to Hindu Mahants as Sardar Kartar Singh Jhabbar bravely exemplified). http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/73676-why-dont-we-have-a-gurdwara-with-dasam-granth-sahibji-parkash-in-ontario/
  6. Aside from agreeing with SikhiSeeker Ji and Cisco Singh, the other important point is that via use of the term "Kirpan" Guru Sahib referred to any shastar through which the Khalsa Panth can do the "kirpa" of innocent suffering humanity in their defence. Thus any usable shastar in the instance where, for example, someone does not have access to what has recently been commonly known as a kirpan counts as a Kirpan in the way Guru Sahib referred to Shahstar in the hands of the Khalsa Panth. Thus a gun, a spear, a sword, a knife, an axe, etc, etc all count as Kirpan in certain circumstances. When Guru Sahib advised the Khalsa Panth to be tyaar bar tyaar with access to 5 shastar always, that is what has morphed in the minds of some into the suggestion of 5 kakkars (however blunt or miniscule or unuable a a so-called micro-adornment-kirpan may be) are the requisite, when in fact Guru Sahib emphasised the Kirpan must be usable in the defense of Sarbat Da Bhalla. Furthermore, if we find African Sikhs who keep unshorn dreadlocks, Guru Sahib never meant for such members of the Khalsa Panth (from Africa) to necassarily always keep kangha should they keep Kes (in the form of uncut dreadlocks) and true Kirpan (usable shastar) as is mandatory for the Khalsa Panth.
  7. TFB bir'ay (as I was prevented from responding to your question directly by Admin) I would just like to echo my agreement with much of what the following respected posters have mentioned below:
  8. UKL = Paji the NOI (Nation of Islam) are a pseudo-racist cult that worship an early 20th century USA criminal as being God on Earth.
  9. Excellent work Khalsa Ji by highlighting the above. The review etc isn't even good enough. We need a minimum of £100million ploughed into community projects in Punjab for the upliftment of poor Sikhs suffering illiteracy, cancer, infanticide, social discrimination, drugs, alcohol etc given this UK Government assistance in the Genocide against Sikhs. Can you give us some of your thoughts Khalsa Ji on how Sikh Federation UK and Sikh Council UK can join hands to actively and aggressively lobby for this £100million compensation by June 2014 to mark 30years. The Department for Internation Development regularly doles out billions overseas so the Sikh Qaum should be able to secure this if we try. I do not advocate any fool burns the Union Jack as a way of getting our point across (as i suspect GOI will try defame us like that). Also Khalsa Ji related to the Hyde Park Peace Remembrance and Rights Rally on June 8th 2014 can you give your thoughts on: The painful history of 1984 and the Genocide occurred and there's nothing we can do to turn back time now. However, 30 years on what we youth in the West can certainly do is set ourselves aims and objectives as members of the Sikh Panth to hit the following targets for Panthic upliftment by combatting drugs, alcohol, biraderi, infanticide, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. All bakhre bakhre Gurdware must be merged as soon as possible. UK Sangat to raise £30 million plus by June 2014 Canadian Sangat to C$30 million plus by June 2014 American Sangat to raise $30 million plus by June 2014 Other Diaspora Countries Sangat should target $10million plus by June 2014 India-based Sangat could arguably raise R300crores plus by June 2014 And with an eventual target of national Panj Pyaaray representatives from each country handing over their respective nation Sangat's cheques to the SGPC for firewalled projects for Panthic Upliftment in combatting drugs, alcohol, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer and poverty and every penny of the funds presented to SGPC in June 2014 being watched over by auditors to confirm that Badal Dal cannot access, use or waste a single penny of the funds raised by Sangat, thereby transforming SGPC into a clean saanjha charitable vehicle for the Upliftment of the Poor and management of United Gurdwara's as it was always intended. Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj must be translated into Tamil, Bengali, Oriya, Telugu etc, etc to get the Truth of what Sikhi represents out there further. Rather than just remembering the past, we need to actively attack the current silent Genocide occuring via infanticide, drugs, cancer, illiteracy, biraderi and poverty. Let's hear every forum members idea's on how we actually make this happen. Let's all contact Sikh organisations and us as Sangat try spread this agenda like a virus!
  10. UKL = Paji 95% of what you have posted is correct. However, i have just highlighted some important points where I strongly disagree with you. VJKK VJKF
  11. UKL = Great posts Username1 Paji. Anyone who cares about Sikhi won't focus on our differences but will consciously choose to appreciate our similar beliefs and common causes. Having said that, the whole concept of academic discussion meaning "vaad-vivaadh and automatically being bad" will leave our Qaum stagnant and incapable of reform. We need to be mature enough to discuss ALL issues with pyaar and satkaar and "agree to disagree" when that happens. If something is important to the future direction of the Panth it needs to be discussed as Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj and the authors of Gurbani never hesitated to address societal or theological evils where required. I know this won't be popular but imho even aside from common sense basics such as biraderi or jathebandi divides (both of which I hate and as Giani Ditt Singh always emphasised we as a Qaum need to overcome) we should even look to see where we can possibly see common causes for societal upliftment with the various historically pro-Congress sects as that can only progress Sarbat Da Bhala faster.
  12. Paji it would be brilliant if all of us were in total unison on everything and move forward collectively as a Panth in Unity only, however we have to accept our Unity in Diversity when it comes to reality now in 2014. 1. I'd like to see one Panthic Maryada also but the 1950 definition of a what defines a Sikh as such strongly assists our RSS enemies in expanding the number of Hindu's defined by the same whilst constricting the demographic population of Sikhs so that we are a powerless minority instead of the natural majority of humanity (that surely wishes to see Sarbat Da Bhala). There is a distinction between the definition of an Amritdhari GurSikh and an ordinary lay Sikh. The puratan definition of an ordinary lay Sikh is anyone who bows before Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj (regardless of the parental religious background of that person). 2. Jathebandiya exist fair enough but where they put themselves first and the Panth second is where we should call them out upon. As the Panth's interests always need to come 1st always rather their own petty rivalries and their own segregagational Gurukar attempts. 3. If we can't unite on this and the need for caste cancer as a concept to be killed and Gurdwara's to be merged, what exactly will ever unite on. Surely when it comes to opposing caste, drugs, alcohol, illiteracy, poverty and female infanticide we should all be on the same page! http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/66391-mergers-so-that-only-1-gurdwara-per-local-area/ http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/70587-how-to-tackle-jaath-paath-discrimination-in-matrimonials/ 4. I believe that's a personal decision for us to interpret whether Gurmat advises us one way or another (so no reason for any rifts) 5. Contrary to what our opponents want us to think, there is no divide on that issue either as 100% of the Panth believe in 100% of blessed Dasam Bani. [MOD CUT] 6. If Akal Takht go against the Truth or Panthic interests (by ignoring drugs, alcohol, caste, illiteracty, poverty and infanticide to the degree they are) then it is up to us Sangat to still follow Gurmat whilst not unduly harming the institution overly so that it is shaken irrevocably (as our opponents would wish). Regardless of what a Jathedar may say it is still up to us to show our devotion to Sikhi via our practical actions and money towards Panthic Upliftment (rather than just our words). 7. My personal view is that Maharaj being Maharaj is fundamentally beyond Beadbi from our Panth's opponents but as Sikhs ourselves we should strive to avoid Beadbi (without deification or idolisation). Of course, many believe that apartheid segregated Gurdwara's, gold adorning Gurdwara's while children go hungry or uneducated, reference to devotees who bow before Maharaj as non-Sikhs are all forms of Beadbi in their own way. 8. Mixed marriages are going to increase year after year, whether we like it or not so I think unitedly we should formulate a strategy that will link the children of such marriages to Sikhi, rather than alienating them away forever so that year after year our Panth's population inevitably drops via scenes as seen at Swindon a while back. But in conculsion imho I believe we need to embrace diversity (much as it may pain those like myself to do so) if we are serious about the Khalsa Fauj being a global force to prevent oppression of the weak globally to ensure Sarbat Da Bhala. Rather than focussing on our differences let's always conscioulsy choose to focus on (the agenda) that we actually share with others in the Panth. Academic disagreement doesn't mean vaad-vivaadh either as it actually strengthens us collectively to think outside of the box and potentially push reforms. ------------- The painful history of 1984 and the Genocide occurred and there's nothing we can do to turn back time now. However, 30 years on what we youth in the West can certainly do is set ourselves aims and objectives as members of the Sikh Panth to hit the following targets for Panthic upliftment by combatting drugs, alcohol, biraderi, infanticide, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. All bakhre bakhre Gurdware must be merged as soon as possible. UK Sangat to raise £30 million plus by June 2014 Canadian Sangat to C$30 million plus by June 2014 American Sangat to raise $30 million plus by June 2014 Other Diaspora Countries Sangat should target $10million plus by June 2014 India-based Sangat could arguably raise R300crores plus by June 2014 And with an eventual target of national Panj Pyaaray representatives from each country handing over their respective nation Sangat's cheques to the SGPC for firewalled projects for Panthic Upliftment in combatting drugs, alcohol, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer and poverty and every penny of the funds presented to SGPC in June 2014 being watched over by auditors to confirm that Badal Dal cannot access, use or waste a single penny of the funds raised by Sangat, thereby transforming SGPC into a clean saanjha charitable vehicle for the Upliftment of the Poor and management of United Gurdwara's as it was always intended. Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj must be translated into Tamil, Bengali, Oriya, Telugu etc, etc to get the Truth of what Sikhi represents out there further. Rather than just remembering the past, we need to actively attack the current silent Genocide occuring via infanticide, drugs, cancer, illiteracy, biraderi and poverty. Let's hear every forum members idea's on how we actually make this happen. Let's all contact Sikh organisations and us as Sangat try spread this agenda like a virus!
  13. UKL = Sikhiseeker Paji i'd like to sincerely emphasise my 100% total personal respect for you as a brother within the Panth (who also hates caste as the anti-Sikh concept it is ... and nobility by birth is a concept which is actually supported in the Quran and Manu Smriti as I am sure you are aware) so please brother don't take my disagreement with you intellectually on something I believe very strongly in as a personal attack on you in any way. I respect your entitlement to your own viewpoint. I believe the opposite. And if all of us care about the Panth we should be mature enough (as I believe you are) to disagree with pyaar and satkaar. I never agree 100% with SikhKosh Paji and Mehtab Singh Paji either (but 95% of the time yes) so it's all good. I can 100% say that though I fully disagree with you on this subject I still believe your pyaar for Sikhi is 100% so after academic debates are done and dusted let's always work in Unity on how we progress our Panth! VJKK VJKF
  14. And the thing is Paji let's say one dubious (or forcibly coerced) source paid by the Government of India denigrates the historic truths relating to: General Shabeg Singh who opposed Pakistani terrorists and who put his life on the line against Pakistan in 1965 and 1971 with dual bravery medals Longowal Ji who sacrificed his own life trying to prevent the foreseeable Genocide of lakhs of Sikhs by terrorist Congress GOI after 1984 the Sikh Panth which is unable as the Khalsa Panth to ever attack innocents and Sikhs unblemished record of never having attacked innocent Hindu's the truth that occurred at Muktsar, Hondh-Chillar, Gyan Godri and various other Gurdwara's which human rights organisations have documented etc, etc the truth the GOI Black Cats occupied Harmandir Sahib in the subsequent years to 1984 to denigrate those that opposed state terrorism Those lies by such pimps working for the GOI and Hindutva agenda's can never whitewash the Truth so long as we contest it. However, demographically our voice of Truth is drowned out in India by a greater volume of RSS lies simply because we define too few Sikhs as being part of the Panth. So our only response must be to increase parchaar and seva so that more and more so-called Hindu's realise that Sikhi is the Truth for Sarbat Da Bhala (benefit of all) Critical to achieving that is that we need to use June 2014 as a relaying point to set a new agenda away from our collective failure as a Sangat in the last 30 years: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The painful history of 1984 and the Genocide occurred and there's nothing we can do to turn back time now. However, 30 years on what we youth in the West can certainly do is set ourselves aims and objectives as members of the Sikh Panth to hit the following targets for Panthic upliftment by combatting drugs, alcohol, biraderi, infanticide, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. All bakhre bakhre Gurdware must be merged as soon as possible. UK Sangat to raise £30 million plus by June 2014 Canadian Sangat to C$30 million plus by June 2014 American Sangat to raise $30 million plus by June 2014 Other Diaspora Countries Sangat should target $10million plus by June 2014 India-based Sangat could arguably raise R300crores plus by June 2014 And with an eventual target of national Panj Pyaaray representatives from each country handing over their respective nation Sangat's cheques to the SGPC for firewalled projects for Panthic Upliftment in combatting drugs, alcohol, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer and poverty and every penny of the funds presented to SGPC in June 2014 being watched over by auditors to confirm that Badal Dal cannot access, use or waste a single penny of the funds raised by Sangat, thereby transforming SGPC into a clean saanjha charitable vehicle for the Upliftment of the Poor and management of United Gurdwara's as it was always intended. Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj must be translated into Tamil, Bengali, Oriya, Telugu etc, etc to get the Truth of what Sikhi represents out there further. Rather than just remembering the past, we need to actively attack the current silent Genocide occuring via infanticide, drugs, cancer, illiteracy, biraderi and poverty. Let's hear every forum members idea's on how we actually make this happen. Let's all contact Sikh organisations and us as Sangat try spread this agenda like a virus!
  15. Separately GPS Bhai Sahib is correct that the letter attributed to Longowal is completely false. I believe Gurtej Singh IAS is guilty of accepting Congress propaganda too readily in that respect rather than anything else. But it's an easy mistake to make given that Savinderpal Singh and Waljinder Singh were also innocently duped into believing the fake letter.
  16. Consistently well stated points throughout the thread Sikhiseeker Ji. So long as we have bakhre bakhre Gurukar + apartheid like matrimonial circles this cancer will not die out, so we the Sangat need to kill it We need to utilise June 2014 as a vehicle for enforcing Gurdwara mergers in the UK to ensure kids grow up united from day one. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/66391-mergers-so-that-only-1-gurdwara-per-local-area/
  17. UKL = I wholeheartedly agreed with you Sikhiseeker Ji. I think Singhbj Singh posted innocently to assist Sikhs in finding a spouse without realising the divisiveness Sangat TV's matrimonial section are promoting . It's definitely not a matter where we can live and let live. It is a brazen affront to Sikhi and must be condemned and opposed even though we all respect other good work Sangat Trust are doing. The email address to politely but firmly complain to is: apsmann@sangattelevision.org --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The painful history of 1984 and the Genocide of Sikhs thereafter occurred and there's nothing we can do to turn back time. However, 30 years on what we youth in the West can certainly do is set ourselves aims and objectives as members of the Sikh Panth to hit the following targets for Panthic upliftment by combatting drugs, alcohol, biraderi, infanticide, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. UK Sangat to raise £30 million plus by June 2014 Canadian Sangat to C$30 million plus by June 2014 American Sangat to raise $30 million plus by June 2014 Other Diaspora Countries Sangat should target $10million plus by June 2014 India-based Sangat could arguably raise R300crores plus by June 2014 And with an eventual target of national Panj Pyaaray representatives from each country handing over their respective nation Sangat's cheques to the SGPC for firewalled projects for Panthic Upliftment in combatting drugs, alcohol, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer and poverty and every penny of the funds presented to SGPC in June 2014 being watched over by auditors to confirm that Badal Dal cannot access, use or waste a single penny of the funds raised by Sangat. Rather than just remembering the past, we need to actively attack the current silent Genocide occuring via infanticide, drugs, cancer, illiteracy, biraderi and poverty. Let's hear every forum members idea's on how best we actually make this happen. We all need to contact our local and national Sikh organisations and let's all Sangat spread this agenda like a virus!
  18. Paji i think Gurmat and Gurbani and Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj are pretty clear cut and self-explanantory above in relation to whether we Sikhs should wrongly copy and wrongly believe in the false Avatar concept as the Hindu's and Christians believe or whether Sikh indeed ik vakhri Qaum ne with a different belief and philosophy.
  19. UKL = Khalsa Ji as we all know all Sikhs should tyaar bar tyaar and shastardhari, so provided we can increase ekta within the Panth, there's no major danger of a Hitler-style gas chambers Genocide affecting Sikhs any time soon. However, the silent Genocide inflicted (and also self-facilitated to a degree) in terms of drugs, alcohol, illiteracy, female infanticide, biraderi, cancer and poverty are largely being ignored, so we the ordinary Sangat have to stand up and mark 30years via financial action rather than simply the usual slogans. UKL = Waljinder Singh Ji, just to politely point out to you that so-called Akali letter you posted was actually a fake put out by Congress and its proxies who liquidated Longowal in order to carry out Genocide of Sikhs we witnessed 1985-1995 (which Longowal had sought in vain to try and prevent) UKL = Imho you are correct as Sant Ji never once asked for Khalistan yet Congress and their proxies brought the term to prominence in order to garner the Hindutva vote for Indira Gandhi (and to blur the equal rights demand made in the Anandpur Sahib Resolution). UKL = I totally agree with you Paji. However, I don't think Cameron etc are going to assist the Qaum for justice any time soon when they are more interested in a consumer market of 1.3 billion people. However, what I believe we should have as our target and focus is to extract at least £30-100million pounds of international development funding allocated by June 2014 to assist human development in Punjab in terms of tackling illiteracy, poverty, drugs, cancer in East Punjab as a small form of compensation from the current UK Sarkar if they seriously expect to see any Sikh votes in May 2015. Serious lobbying could just about pull this off if we see this as our target (rather than just disclosure of UK's collaboration with Indira Gandhi in 1984's Genocide of Sikhs and thereafter)
  20. 1. God alone only knows, those of us like myself who are not Mahapursh can hardly be in a position to fathom out why. 2. No, Gurbani only refers metaphorically to this being a "play" not literally. Ik Onkar is not a personality that speaks Hebrew, Arabic or Sanskrit gets bored and plays around. The suffering of millions of starving and dying children or victims of Genocide is no act of "playing". 3. Only God knows but if we merge with God we may found out. 4. Who is to say that we were separated deliberately given that separation and re-merger may be the natural nature of existence (God). God is above boredom and mundane human thoughts. The whole question interprets God to be some kind of personality when in fact God is all that is good in the Universe and beyond. 5. ParmAathma is not "playing" a game like kids play video games. The whole reference to "play" is that life is an illusion. 6. God doesn't need our praise. Prayer and Naam Simran strengthens us in our life. Rabh doesn't need praise like egotistical human beings. 7. Worship of Ik Onkar is best performed by good deeds to others (as Sant Puran Singh Ji Pingalwara showed true Naam Simran) We don't know the full nature of God, nor the secret of why exactly we exist in this form ... however, thanks to God, we do know our purpose. And our purpose on Earth is to do seva and create a world of Sarbat Da Bhala with no suffering (Global Begumpura) if we wish to merge with God (as with God there is no suffering ... unlike as exists when we are separate from Ik Onkar).
  21. sikhiseeker, on 21 Jan 2014 - 17:01, said: So should we all go along with caste, or if we really believe in sikhi and its teaching, try to do everything in our power to kick it out where it has no place? I myself am not married through caste, also neither my wife or I have a Ferrari. Rather than promote caste based marriage, should we not rally to marry within sikhi itself with no basis on caste? Also an entertainment show is something like "kaun banega gur sikh pyara" on The Sikh Channel. The Matrimonial Show is what it's title states, Caste is wrong! You cant have a caste and claim to be sikh. Yet we believe in caste and then add singh and kaur to our names....and to think the shaheed gave their lives for this name. UKL = Well said Paji and proud of you Paji (and my parents and granparents) for marrying across historic, outdated and irrelavant biraderi lines as an ever increasing percentage of our Qaum are doing year by year. The GurSikh background of no caste affiliation has to be forcefully made the majority background of our Panth in order to destroy the anti-Sikh concept of caste. UKL = DS Bal of Sikh Channel (via his partnership with the Muslim Jatt record label that has a majority of bhangra artists on its books and responsible for the sister station's programming damage to our youth) and Sangat TV need to be flooded by our emails of protest in order to take notice that they may lose direct debits if there is continued inaction regarding the promotion of anti-Sikh concept like caste on supposedly so-called Sikh television stations. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/70587-how-to-tackle-jaath-paath-discrimination-in-matrimonials/ http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/66391-mergers-so-that-only-1-gurdwara-per-local-area/
  22. Mod Edit- He used foul language and directly insulted members on this forum with colorful English cuss words.
  23. UKL = Well said Paji. If we are serious about "Panth Ki Jeet" biraderi cancer is one of the foremost problems (alongside drugs, alcohol, illiteracy, poverty and female infanticide) we need to eradicate before we can even think of making progress. Matrimonial apartheid, bakhre bakhre Gurdware and the systematic way that our RSS enemies are re-branding the second and third biggest ancestry backgrounds found within the Panth from erstwhile GurSikhs into future generations of Brahmin Valmiki followers and pro-Congress followers of Dera Ballan is a disgrace. And it's an issue that the Panth is widely ignoring. If we in the Diaspora especially don't begin to tackle it immediately there is a chance that in the 2021 Punjab census Sikhs may fall below the 50% threshold. UKL = Sikhiseeker Ji big respect for raising your voice against this madness that is going on and what we need to urgently do is spread the agenda amongst youth and GurSikhs of Gurdwara mergers in the UK, in the Diaspoora and most importantly in every single village in Punjab. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/66391-mergers-so-that-only-1-gurdwara-per-local-area/ UKL = Matrimonial level apartheid is the other arm of this cancer that we have to amputate within this decade. There's no point being militant re this or that subject if we are not militant in upholding the mere basics of Sikhi such as the simple fact that there should no caste affiliation amongst us. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/70587-how-to-tackle-jaath-paath-discrimination-in-matrimonials/ UKL = Knowledge of the original ancestries of our most famous Gurmukhs actually strengthens knowledge of the Unity and Diversity within the Panth. Of course it's important we acknowledge all true GurSikhs by their very nature had no caste (kul nash) yet the divergent backgrounds from whence they came before Amrit should actually be instructive that bravery and GurSikhi have no correlation to erstwhile biraderi (prior to Amrit and the kul nash - rejection of biraderi - by the Khalsa Panth). UKL = Well said as always Khalsa Ji. UKL = Brother it's not as simple as that i'm afraid. If Sikhs stop talking about the injustices we are suffering from they won't magicly disappear. However, you are correct that all Sikhs should have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy in respect of not declaring their family ancestry or have a surname other than Singh if we are going to beat this Hindu+Muslim origin cancer that is now even afflicting Sikhs 315 years after 1699.
  24. Punjabi culture has nothing in common with Sikhi and Gurmat and nothing positive to add to it. Most Punjabi's are Muslims after all. However, instead of bezti we should at the lessons to be learned from this regarding Sangat involvement and the value of good Sangat in a child's upbringing and more generally. Greater Sangat interaction with the family whose Mother became a widower when this woman Rose was a teenager could perhaps have avoided the paths, decisions and outcomes that led to the recent tragedy. It is vital to introduce good Gurdwara Sangat to young children growing up particularly so in areas where Sikhs are a miniscule minority such as in Edinburgh, Scotland. So it's up to all of us to look out for families who have suffered bereavement in similar situations today and in the future. Also, instead of focussing on what this woman Rose may or may not have done, our focus as a community should be to ensure that her four surviving innocent Sikh children are looked after by the community as one of our own as the innocent lives they are rather than thrust into foster care and forgotten about by some (not referring to anyone in the thread) who may judge a child for the sins of their parents. And regardless of these four innocent children, more and more Sikhs should step up as foster parents and more importantly adoptive parents instead of wasting money on expensive fertility treatments potentially or more worryingly ... jadoo and mantra's by pakhandi babey crooks etc.
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