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the speech at the end was so good and true. waheguru. is there a link for it?

these guys are boss. :D

thanks for the report.

i think baba manochal was caretaker jathedar not offical. but still a jathedar

a few names/history: http://www.sikhnet.com/news/akal-takhat-jethedar-history jathedars after 1920: Jathedar Teja Singh Ji Bhuchar (1920–1921), before him was Jathedar Arur Singh Naushshera (1907-1920), resigned in 1920. Jathedar Teja Singh Ji Akerpuri (1921–1923) & (1926–1930) Jathedar Udham Singh Ji Nagoki (1923–1924) Jathedar Bhai Acchar Singh Ji (1924–1925) Jathedar Didar Singh Ji (about a month in 1926) Jathedar Jawaher Singh Ji (very short period in 1926) Jathedar Giani Gurmukh Singh Ji Musaffer (1930-1931) Jathedar Mohan singh Ji Nagoki (1931-1938) Jathedar Giani Partap Singh Ji (1938-1948) Jathedar Bhai Sadhu Singh Ji Bhaura (1948-1963) Jathedar Gurdial Singh Ji Ajnoha (1980-1983) Jathedar Bhai Kirpal Singh Ji (1963-1965) & (1983-1986) Jathedar Prof. Darshan Singh Ji (1986) Jathedar Bhai Jasbir Singh Ji Rodae (1986) Jathedar Bhai Gurdev Singh Ji Kaunke (1986-1990s) Jathedar Prof. Manjit Singh Ji Jathedar Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji Jathedar Giani Puran singh Ji Jathedar Joginder Singh Ji Vadanti Jathedar Gurbachan Singh Ji i think this is the original akal takht uncovered after bluestar and rebuilding the akal takht

first there was one dog barking, all of them are at it. "punjab de sher" sher behind police. without police bakriyan (sheeps). "badhia kam hoya" oh this is vadhia kam?

i was riding my bike once in my garden. i couldnt stop and my neck went into the washing line. it cut the skin (much like brar here) and the cut took at least 2weeks to heal fully so i couldnt see anything left of it. i don't even think his "stab wounds" could be called a stab wound. one interview he had a neck brace as if he had whiplash and plasters on the side of his head.

did the world say anything about the Rajoana protests and the death of a innocent singh bhai jaspal singh ji? have we been able to tell the world about the nihang singh who was tortured after defending himself during these protests? have the world said anything about the death of thousands during anti sikh pogroms on 1-3 november, when whole villages of sikhs like chond hillar were destroyed? the bbc support india, you've seen their rubbish they spew about sikhs and india.

why can't we do what we want? whats it to them? its our holy place why cant we do what we want? so called democratic country sikhs cant even protest there you remeber the london riots. the british police were scared of using water cannons and rubber bullets, the indian police goes and starts firing at innocent sikh youth. nice democracy, a democracy which hasnt even apologised for the deaths of not only sikhs, but christians, budhists and muslims. i'd like to see this dog bark without police/government protection. anyway these threats they're are making aren't funny, not one bit. i'm worried about what will happen to sikhs there, these threats probably aren't empty. with media, governemt and police support they can do anything to a minority numbering less than 2%. and you know what, i dont think any other government will care, they want good relations with india, a country that is getting richer. why spoil relations over 2% of a countries population. i urge you to warn relatives to be watchful. you don't know what will happen. i pray to waheguru that these threats are empty.

wow. what wastemans. whats up with that music. ironic thing is sikhs hardly ever killed innocent hindus. it was the other way around.

The shabad that is quoted by all pro-meat lobbiests is a shabad by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in the // of Raag Malhar on pages 1289-90. This shabad is sited by people as evidence that quarreling over meat is a fools game as it is not significant whether you eat it or not. But what these people fail to do is think deep into the shabad and to understand in what context the shabad was composed in. Maas Maas Kar Moorakh Jhaghrrey. Gian dhian Nahin Jaaney. Kaun Maas Kaun Saag Kahaavey Kis Mah Paap Samaaney. (pg. 1289-1290) First Mehla: The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said. They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts. They are produced from the blood of their mothers and fathers, but they do not eat fish or meat. But when men and women meet in the night, they come together in the flesh. In the flesh we are conceived, and in the flesh we are born; we are vessels of flesh. You know nothing of spiritual wisdom and meditation, even though you call yourself clever, O religious scholar. O master, you believe that flesh on the outside is bad, but the flesh of those in your own home is good. All beings and creatures are flesh; the soul has taken up its home in the flesh. They eat the uneatable; they reject and abandon what they could eat. They have a teacher who is blind. In the flesh we are conceived, and in the flesh we are born; we are vessels of flesh. You know nothing of spiritual wisdom and meditation, even though you call yourself clever, O religious scholar. Meat is allowed in the Puraanas, meat is allowed in the Bible and the Koran. Throughout the four ages, meat has been used. It is featured in sacred feasts and marriage festivities; meat is used in them. Women, men, kings and emperors originate from meat. If you see them going to hell, then do not accept charitable gifts from them. The giver goes to hell, while the receiver goes to heaven - look at this injustice. You do not understand your own self, but you preach to other people. O Pandit, you are very wise indeed. O Pandit, you do not know where meat originated. Corn, sugar cane and cotton are produced from water. The three worlds came from water. Water says, ""I am good in many ways."" But water takes many forms. Forsaking these delicacies, one becomes a true Sannyaasee, a detached hermit. Nanak reflects and speaks. ||2|| On Guru Nanak Dev Jis udassi (journey) Guru Ji met many different types of people, many who were stuck in their own rituals, many performing all manner of absolutions but without the divine knowledge. They were all stuck in meaningless ritual and falsehood. One of the groups Guru Sahib Ji met were Vaishnav's, a group who refrain from eating meat, and Guru Ji observed them and then met in discussion with them. Upon listening to their explanation as to why they refrain from eating meat and observing their treatment of those around them Guru Ji composed this shabad. This shabad is aimed at these Vaishnav Hindus who were so engrossed in their rituals and supposed superiority that they had missed the whole point of refraining from meat. It should be noted that at no place does this shabad advocate the eating of meat. Guru Sahib Ji says Vaishnavs who make their whole religion on the basis of rejection of maas/meat is foolsih, Jains who dispise meat are blind. They do not have the wisdom of the Guru so they do not know what to eat and what not to eat. Is some one cheats and steals and uses the money to purchase food then that food is like meat (poluted) even if they have purshased saag (spinich). Many sects eat inedible things like rotten grain but will not eat onions or ginger in the false notion that this is part of their faith but they have no spiritual knowledge as they have not met the true Satguru. These pandits make a big show of their supriority by rejecting meat and hold their noses up at the mere site of cooked flesh YET they have no shame in looting the cheating the poor and unfortunate. The pandit has so much pride over his rejection of meat yet even in the Hindu faith there have been animal sacrifices, as are referenced in the Hindu scriptures not to mention the Semitic ones. Having such a hatred of meat that they are afraid to be near it or even touch it is foolish, this is what Guru Sahib Ji is getting at. Now we ourselves are made of meat, inside us is meat just like the meat we see for sale in the markets. Our families are made of meat and so are all our acquaintances. The flesh of the mother's womb wherein the human body is born, the flesh of the mother's breasts which feed the infant, the flesh of the tongue, ears, mouth used for perception of various senses of the body, the flesh in the form of wife and off-springs referred to in the Shabad, is flesh no doubt and one cannot escape it. The shabad is saying that it is all made of the same flesh that the pandit is so disgusted by , but is it the flesh to be eaten as food by the humans? If meat is so bad, then why do you associate with them? Why do the Pandits take money and make their living from Royalty? They too are made of meat. What is meat and flesh made of? It is not some dirty substance. It is made from grain and water that we eat. So why do you hate it so much? Only when you obtain wisdom from the true Guru and are able to overcome the lure of these physical ras/tastes will you be able to become a real Sanyasi. The gist of this shabad is a condemnation of the pakhand/falsehood the Pandits convey when they see cooked meat and will run away from it turning their noses up in disgust yet they are quite at home when they swindle people out of their earnings, without the Satguru there is no knowledge. This is what the shabad is getting at, it is not saying that all those who argue over meat are foolish and it is okay to consume meat. Nowhere in this shabad is there any indication that we should eat meat, just that we shouldn't hate it because we ourselves are made of meat and we shouldn't think that by giving it up we will somehow elevate oursleves . There is no indication in this shabad that says "meat eating is okay". In fact this shabad indicates to us that we are meat and we should recognize that just as the thought of eating a dead body is revolting, the thought of eating meat should be as well. Because that’s precisely what it is: a dead body, and the same stuff our body is made of.

jaap sahib rhythm is quite good to practise gatka with.

haha don't ask what happened there. i can't edit my posts help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

SGGS Page 1103 Full Shabad ਜੀਅ ਬਧਹੁ ਸੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਅਧਰਮੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਤ ਭਾਈ ॥ ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮੁਨਿਵਰ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਸਾਈ ॥੨॥ jee-a baDhahu so Dharam kar thaapahu aDhram kahhu kat bhaa-ee. aapas ka-o munivar kar thaapahu kaa ka-o kahhu kasaa-ee. (2) You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action? You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? (2) ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥ ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥ bayd katayb kahhu mat jhoothay jhoothaa jo na bichaarai. ja-o sabh meh ayk khudaa-ay kahat ha-o ta-o ki-o murgee maarai. (1) Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false. You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? (1)

. animals dont suffer? have you seen the way they are killed electric shocks, bled to death? of course it goin to cause pain.

ha! and India so called country of Sikhs can't even give Amritsar a holy city status. Good to hear.

what things do sikhs do that other people don't? personally i don't eat meat because why kill something just for the taste of the tounge? they also have a right to life? how would we feel if another specices kept us and bred us just to take our children away and have them killed? we have the ability to think and sympathise.

circle weapon the chakkar can also represent the "degh" the cauldron of the langar where free food is given to all. a sikh phrase "degh tegh fateh". word "degh" means "large cooking pot" or "cauldron" or an "offering". The word "tegh" means "sword" or "kirpan". The term "degh tegh" refers to the concept of "degh" which is the serving of food to the community as in respect of the langar; and "tegh" which is the protecting the liberty and rights of each member within the community.

unless it crawls into your shoes.. or bed, snuggles up with you for the night . singh1234567 imagine that. waking up with giant spiders next to you. you'll have no trouble waking up for your amritvela nitnem :D

lizards are awesome and snakes, centipedes, praying mantis, milipedes are awesome! even turantualas are cool. just don't like them hairless big spiders that are really fast.and i have an ants nest near my house (live near a wood) and they fly around all summer.

i had an outbreak of spiders. this medium sized spider evaded capture it went under the wallpaper. and i think it laid eggs. had so many spiders for like a month. how about lizards "kerhlian" in india. my mami accidently chopped one in half with a door. :s

i think beards look great! i can't wait for mine to grow fully. anyway your decision is your own. whats the point of keeping your hair if you aren't going to uphold sikhi values. what is it to anyone of whether you look "modern"? define modern to me? the hair keeps growing, keeps comming back. why not keep it there? be proud of your mane. i fit in fine with my appearence, i can start conversations, people sometimes ask me things. i am different and i'm happy. i've had my share of people putting me down, but these insults cause me to hold my head higher every day. whats the point of keeping a pagh on your head but no beard? its pointless. all hair is meant to be kept. and anyway, maybe you are left out because you can't talk to people, be more confident. i have never had trouble feeling left out. but brother, your decision is your own. think carefully about what you do.

those really big spiders scare me. only thing i find hard touching. the big spiders.

wow............................ <banned word filter activated>. indian "news" if we can call it news. hyping stuff without facts. dumb() dont even realise how messed up this story seems. they need one tiny thing to make sikhs look like monsters.