MrDoaba

WJKK WJKF, thats a good question. I'll give you a small example which is sort of related to what your asking although it would be better if a knowledgeable Gursikh answers your question. Its about the Sant who is mentioned in my signature. Sometimes they would get so absorbed into the Naam and would be in a state of samaadhi before they had even tied their dastaar, hence, in most old photographs and the odd painting Sant Ji is always without a dastaar and their kes is flowing.

Im not from the USA but heres a custom printers. We have them in the UK as well. www.spreadshirt.com/ Im not sure if they have the exact type you're looking for but worth a try. Oh and be careful what you get printed on it. Eg. Babbar Khalsa Logo. Just incase....You dont want Homeland Security to deliver your jacket.

This thread + Sukha = Confusion! :tongue2:

Consciousness Ji your signature is the simplest answer for the OP. :smile2:

Read the signature of the second poster! Well the one who posted after you!

Maybe he got one just like everybody else.

Gurdwara Waraich issue: Sikhs, Dera Radha Soami reconcile Thursday, October, 25 2012 - 08:42 By Charu Chhibber- CHANDIGARH: Gurdwara Waraich issue, over which Sikh radicals and followers of Dera Radha Soami had been at loggerheads for long, has been resolved. Burying the hatched on the occasion of ‘Viyay Dashmi’ that symbolises the victory of good over evil, the two warring factions have entered into an agreement. The move that came as a pleasant surprise has been taken keeping into account ‘peace of Punjab’ by the two opposing groups. Members of the Sikh community had been opposing the dismantling of the gurdwara in Waraich village of district Beas by followers of Dera Radha Soami. In their fervent protest, the Sikhs had even gone as far as virtually boycotting head of Akal Takht Jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh. The radicals who were opposing the gurdwara demolition by Dera followers mainly included Sikh panthic bodies Akali Dal Panch Pradhani, Simranjit Singh Mann-led Shiromani Akali Dal (Amrritsar), Khalsa Action Committee, Dal Khalsa, Damdmi Taksal and Panthic Sewa Lehar. According to reports, some leaders from the radical Sikh groups met Gurinder Singh Dhillon, head of Dera Radha Soami. The details of the meeting are yet to be made public. As per the sources, all the issues between the two groups have been resolved and the decision taken by the leaders of both the sects will be made public soon. However, an insider revealed that the Dera chief has offered to hand over the gurdwara to the Sikh religious bodies. It is pertinent to mention that trouble between the two groups started brewing in July this year. The disputed piece of land on which a one-room gurdwara existed, belonging to the Panchayat, was sold to Dera Radha Soami sect without obtaining the mandatory approval from Director of Panchayats of Punjab Government. Tension mounted further after members of Dera Radha Soami sect allegedly destroyed a section of the gurudwara. The situation threatened to snowball into a major communal tension. In order to control the same, heavy police force was deployed on the site to avoid any untoward incident. The Akal Takht had directed the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Commitee (SGPC) to form a three-member committee to probe into the land dispute between Sikh community and followers of Dera Radha Soami over the issue. Both the communities were asked to stay away from the land for a week while the SGPC conducted its probe. Tension between the two groups was somewhat defused when on September 26, chief of Radhasoami sect Gurinder Singh Dhillon paid obeisance at the Golden Temple. Dhillon was even given a Siropa (robe of honour) by the priest sitting inside the sanctum sanctorum.

I do agree!

:lol2: ohh Waheguru! This thread has gone completely off track due to the nature of Consciousness Veer Jis posts! Sorry N30S1NGH, you're actually trying to talk about something serious.

Absolutely MEGA LOL!!!! :lol2: :lol2: I will do though! :smile2:

Also read these leaflets. http://www.wahegurunet.com/god-vs-science http://www.wahegurunet.com/science-and-quantum-physics

I said... You said... CHILL Veer Ji!!!!!!!! :D

Hence, putting one at the other side of your room.

Alarm clock?? Set two alarms but put one at the other side of your room that way you will have to get up and turn it off.

Lol! You have some good points sometimes. But you always repeat the same things and you always sound so serious its actually quite humorous. Oh and do you actually put your extremely strong and uncompromising views across in the real world or just here on SS??

I dont think anything is by Consciousness Veer Jis standards! :lol2:

inrMkwr inRibkwr inrlµB ]Awid AnIl Anwid AsMB ] nira(n)kaar nribikaar nirala(n)bh ||aadh aneel anaadh asa(n)bh || O formless God, You are free from sins and You do not seek any support. You are the Primal Being, most pure, without beginning and self-created.

Out loud i think......Bolna Ji Satnaam Sri Waheguru!!!! :D

You will know this Gurdwara Veer Ji. It might be a slightly derogatory term but i wouldnt go as far as to say its disgusting. He could have said much worse. Veer Ji, its a number of reasons. Both sides are to blame. Some dont necessarily convert, rather they think Sikhi permits you to marry someone from another religion. But brainwashing is a problem and when you see examples that are closer to you, even if you only just know of that person you will end up taking it very personally. Sometimes its as if its been done to cause the maximum amount of parishaani. The caste thing is also another problem, no matter how much you ask oldies "are all castes equal?", when it comes to marrying someone from one of those castes, its a big no no. A lot, not all but a lot of Hindu-Sikh marriages are down to the fact that parents know that their kids might end up in a relationship with someone from any religion and so they say even if the boy/girl is from a Hindu background its ok, they wont have a problem, its still seen as acceptable. Ive actually had this said to me. Its funny, if you marry a Sikh they must be the same caste but another religion then Hindu is ok. The other issue is people just assume Sikhi is "modern" without really knowing anything, so again, they think it permits any number of things. Ive heard people say Gurdwaras arent doing this or that to teach young people but its not all up to the Gurdwara, education starts at home. This is another problem, many parents emigrated whilst they were young themselves so they have very little knowledge of anything Sikhi related. In these cases its only with Guru Sahibs Kirpa the children of these individuals will take the decision whether or not to learn about Sikhi themselves. The other two reasons are pure stupidity and religion/history/culture just not having any value....pure ignorance and way way too balaiti-fied. In all honesty i cannot pinpoint where we have gone wrong. We need to think about the way we teach each other, not how Uncle Ji or Gyani Ji teaches us but how are we teaching and treating our peers, i know many feel alienated by those who might be further along their spiritual journey not having any patience, enough to put them off. Having said that though, so much absolutely brilliant seva is being done to bring Sikhi not just to the youth but everyone. Back to us teaching eachtother, the point where teaching about Sikhi begins isnt right IMO, for example i would leave the political side out until the essence of Sikhi is taught otherwise how will one truly appreciate what cause he/she is fighting for and/or their passion for that cause will die. Maybe leave the political/rehat/bibek type things and maybe the Shaheedi/yudh stories out until they understand where Sikhi stands spiritually. This is where we might be going wrong, the one teaching gets annoyed due to lack of understanding and inability of the one who is learning to digest all these random things which mean nothing as he/she doesnt understand the point and significance of them because theres no understanding of the theological aspect, hence, they are put off or get the wrong idea which in turn distances them from anything Dharmik. Also we should leave out our views on Raag/Larivaar/Jathebandian etc! At least at the beginning! Anyway this what i have observed from my own experiences and its also a benti to those who are more inclined to teach others and have more influence. :respect: Phul Chuk Maaf.

Well yeah it is the wedding bani, but i have heard the bhoot thing before.

Ohh gaia mera din. I dont even know what to say....Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru

Doesnt it mean pure iron?

sMqn duK pwey qy duKI ]suK pwey swDun ky suKI ] sa(n)than dhukh paaeae thae dhukhee ||sukh paaeae saadhhun kae sukhee || God is pained to see His saints in trouble. God is happy, when His saints are happy.

/\ /\ /\ same here. This whole topic makes my blood pressure go up. One particular Gurdwara i know of held 20 weddings in August, 18 of which were inter-faith.

Although its only a local paper, its been called a massacre. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/2012/10/22/sikhs-in-coventry-remember-those-killed-in-1984-massacre-92746-32077146/