mrsingh12

1. You must be one of the now few remaining Indians that have failed to latch on to the fact that Manmohan Singh is no Sikh in practice. Please youtube "Manmohan Singh Shivling" to see the real Sikh appearance of Dr. Singh 2. HOW ARE MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN PANJAB SUPPOSED TO BE RELIGIOUS WHEN A WHOLE GENERATION OF BAPTISED SIKHS OF THE KHALSA WERE KILLED, KIDNAPPED OR DISAPPEARED UNDER INSTRUCTIONS OF YOUR BELOVED INDIAN GOVERNMENT DURING THE YEARS 1980-1995 ? Dumb **** 3. Panjab would be at peace if Sikhs and Panjab were given status as first class citizens. 4. Please use your appaling low level of intellgence to answer this question. How do you expect Sikhs to be a majority in any part of India, when they are the ethnic minority which is most at threat, and has been. Use you brain to work out the last year that the Indian government or its Panjab counterparts were not involved in the death of a Sikh. You would have to go back many decades. If your government is killing us, how are we supposed to make up the difference in numbers? Are you a mug?

Trust me bro,did any of the great prophets of Sikhism pledge any allegiance to the concept of an Indian nation? Did the greatest fighters the world has ever seen in Hari Singh Nalwa, Nawab Kapur Singh, Jassa Singh Alhiwalia, Jassa Singh Ramgharia, Akali Phoola Singh, Maharaja Sher Singh, Maharaja Ranjit Singh believe in indian nationalism? The answer is no. The Sikh of the 11th masters fights for justice and equality, whether it is in India or out. Are we Sikh/Khalsa first or are we congressi indian celebrating diwali with our hindu neighbours like all is ok?

wow, indian propaganda machine worked wonders on you didnt it. You would be very low on intelligence to assume 99% of Sikhs hate freedom fighters, as support for Khalistani Singhs is growing each year, as more and more people wake up of Sikh discrimination in India. Fool!!

bro I heard that around the Khalsa Raaj period, the caste system was virtually eroded, but after the British took over, the reintroduced the system as a method of divide and rule, which remains until today. How much of this is true?

what kind of business does Dhumma run from which any benefit can be extracted upon? I think me and you both know that bad words are being called from all sides. Dont get me wrong I disagree with Chatanga on his stance on Dhumma, Rode and other dodgy akauti sikh leaders but no need to bring dads and families into it enit

mate, what kind of reply is that. Why the need to get so personal.

bro for someone as knowledgeable as you, you must have had a glassy lol, your last few posts have been opposite to the intelligent comments you usually make. Just out of interest, is there any particular reason you back Dhumma to the far extent that you do?

maybe a dumb suggestion but why not get rid of the cat?

bro I dont really think we should blame the kirtani jathe but more the sangat who becomes addicted to these filmy tunes. Think about, if your a raagi in this day and age, you will, unfortunately, want to sing the way which attracts the sangat. What I have noticed is that when the top "filmy tune" raagis sing raag now and then, it sounds great. What do we define as a filmy tune btw? Any tune that is non-raag? P.S. Are you worried like me about how there has been growth in the number of raagis in the UK who are below standard when it comes to singing in tune or knowing more than two taals on the tabla. Really pi**es me off when I listen to Asa Di Vaar at local Gurdwara and the ragi is micky mouse.

1. What allegation have I made that I need to provide proof for. Can you show me proof that the word's "Dusht Daman" are written in Sri Dasam Granth. I DO NOT believe in Durga worship in fact it is revolting. My point is that DG condemns hinduism in amazing ways, so how could it be pro-Durga? I 2. Do you believe Jaap Sahib is one of the "legitimate" writings of DG. You keep saying you agree with parts which are in line with Gurmat. Either you are saying this without knowing which parts of DG are pro-Gurmat or why else are you scared to tell me which bani of DG do you believe is acceptable to the panth? Is Jaap Sahib pro-Gurmat? 3. If the answer to two is yes, how do you possible think I can hold someone in credible esteem (Dhunda) when that person is seen committing beadbi by hiiting bani with a stick and abusing bani as seen in video/ Simple answers please rather than pasting a paragraph which goes around everywhere 3. Dhunda told lies in his video. He said that DG kirtan can not be done as written in Rehit Maryada. The Maryada says "writings of the 10 prophets of Sikhism" can be sung in the hazoori of the 11th prophet. Why did he tell a lie? What giaan did Dhunda show in that video? 4. Show me prove that DDT spoke out against DG haters. Show me one quote and I will say sorry, no point just doing a Jeonwala and stating so-called facts with no evidence. Please see in the video at 34.25 hahahaha 5. You dont even hold Singh Sahib Baba Bhindranwale in high esteem, even heretic Ragi Darshan/Ghagga/Jeonwala do? Your position is a bit like fingers in a lot of pies, not consistent. Say what you like about Sant Bhindranwale as a leader or politician or whatever, but when it comes to the giaan of Gurmat and Gurbani and Sikh history, Sant Ji was levels above the moorakh of today. 6. I will fully admit. I have not had santhiya/havent read all of/haven't been taught meanings of 95% of DG. I am not in a position to say it is anti-Gurmat, as I have no proof that it is. I am the same as everybody in that everyone's first perception of DG is that it is the writing of the great 10th master. I dont not see any Durga/Shiva/Lakshmi/Rama/Sita/Vishnu/Ganesh or whoever you are coming out with given any importance in SDG. I see praise of Akaal Purakh. I HAVE BEEN HONEST, NOW YOUR TURN ANSWER THE FOLLOWING TWO QUESTIONS: a) Is Jaap Sahib pro-gurmat? b) Which bani do you believe do be legitimate in DG? Name all the banis that you have personally done path of if you can please?

hahahahahahahahahahahaha your too funny bro, that is hilarious lol sik1 g

1. can you please provide proof that Bachittar Natak or Chartiropakyan is not written by the great 10th master 2. I used to like Dhunda as a kathakaar but not now. You seem to hold the fake prof in high regard? This guy has no respect for the writings of the Sikh prophets. See Jaap Sahib, the most pro-gurmat writing of all in DG (they all are) where the mool mantar is expanded upon where never seen before. However, look at Dhunda in this video telling lies and openly abusing (physically with a stick and verbally) the writings of the 10th master: Using Dhunda in any respectful way is utter nonsense. Do you agree with me? Do you believe Jaap Sahib is pro-gurmat. WHY DO ANTI DG's LIKE TO USE PROF. SAHIB SINGH AS A REFERENCE FOR THE MEANINGS OF GURBANI, YET FORGETTING THAT PROF. SAHIB SINGH WROTE A WHOLE TEEKA ON JAAP SAHIB, CAN YOU EXPLAIN? Hypocrites 3. People have read Dasam Granth for sure yes. Reading is doing a quick search of "lust, alcohol, prostitutes" as key words in Sikhitothemax and finding that Dasam Granth has these words in it. Santhiya is a very different ball game. Santhiya is a) learning how to pronounce DG in the right way b) learning the meanings of it using the various teeka written by scholars. Again, simple question, has Ghagga/Thailand Wala/Jachak/Ragi Darshan or any anti-DG had santhiya of DG? Yes or no? 4. Can you please provide proof that during the head of the Panjab Crisis, DDT starting preaching about DG? What a lie. Do you accept the status of Sri Maan Singh Sahib Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa as one of the greatest warriors in Sikh history? Sant Ji did a katha of whole Bachittar Natak? I am pretty sure he didn't praise durga/dusht daman or any other dodgy hindu god you keep putting in your posts 5. Finally, let me just sum up my positions: a) I believe DG in it's current form is as written by Sahib-e-Kamaal Satguru Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj b) I do not believe in putting DG on equal status as the great, wisest 11th master, Dhan Dhan Satguru Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji c) I do not believe DG promotes hindu gods/hindu ideology, in fact it batters hinduism and islam concepts d) I do not believe anti-DG people hold any credibility as they have not achieved any santhiya or teaching of DG from anyone e) I believe DG is in line with Gurmat. f) I do not believe DG should be compared with the great, ruling 11th master as it's purpose is quite different to that of our current Satguru

wat u mean g? Of course I'm english man cant pull off this slang that I'm coming out with if he's fresh lmao, what crap you chatting don? Joke, nah I dno man I think it has to with the actions of the past life. Are we really saying kabaabi, sharabi, adultery committed "sikh" will merge with Waheguru. I think not. So the soul reincarnates. But then Sikhism doesn't believe in a physical place called hell so the new soul must carry the penalty of it's past actions? Thats how I see but, like you g, I know very little about in-depth Gurmat philosophy of Sikhi

why are some hindus jealous of our great religion? I don't see why anyone would believe that Banda Singh Bahadur/Rajput theory, as surely every sikh knows the story of Banda Bairagi's meeting with the great 10th master do they not. How would they explain the Banda Singh Bahadur gate at Fategarh Sahib if he was just a hindu rajput. How would they explain how the word "Banda" originated. The dumbest part is aapne know f all about our history and fall for any dumb lines that some hindus came out with. Bro, dont get me wrong, Im not giani or anything, but look at these two quotes from different sources about the originality of Sikhism: maariaa sikaa jagathr vich naanak niramal panth chalaaeiaa| In the world, he established the authority (of his doctrines) and started a religion, devoid of any impurity (niramal panth). (Bhai Sahib Bhai Gurdaas Ji) thin eih kal mo dharam chalaayo | sabh saadhan ko raah bathaayo | He (Guru Nanak Dev) promulgated this religion (Sikhism) in the Iron age. He showed the (genuine) way to all the saints. jo thaa kae maarag mehi aaeae | thae kabehoon nehee paap santhaaeae | 5| Those who trod the Highway (The Sikh Faith) propagated by him, Were never plagued by the vices.(5) jae jae panth thavan kae parae | paap thaap thin kae prabh harae | Those persons, who joined his religious order, Their sins and sufferings were removed by the Lord. dhookh bhookh kabehanoo n santhaaeae | jaal kaal kae beech n aaeae | 6| They were never tormented by the spectre of anguish and starvation. They were not caught in the noose of death. (6) (Sri Dasam Granth) And finally, for any hindus or muslims who may think that SIkhism has any roots from hinduism/islam, please read the devastating analysis by the faults in both religions by the great, amazing 10th master of the Sikhs: kaahoo lai paahan pooj dharayo sir kaahoo lai ling garae lattakaaeiou | Some worship idols by putting those on their heads; some dangle lingam (Phallic symbol of Shiva) from their necks. kaahoo lakhiou har avaachee dhisaa mehi kaahoo pashaah ko sees nivaaeiou | Some believe Hari (God) to be stationed south direction others prostrate to the west, (Considering Allah's presence there). kooo buthaan ko poojath hai pas kooo mrithaan ko poojan dhaaeiou | Many fools worship images in the temples whereas others dash to worship graves or cemeteries. koor kriaa ourajhiou sabh hee jag seer bhagavaan ko bhaedh n paaeiou | 10|30| All human beings in the world are entangled in false and ungodly ceremonies and none has found God's secret. (10)(30)

bro I think the last four lines in red of Hoddle that you have wrote are very much in line with Gurmat if Im not mistaken. The first time I read Hoddle's comment, I thought he was a undercover sikh lmao. Ive always thought disabilities is due to past actions by the soul too. So in that sense, I would say what you have said is correct mate

Hi Guys, I just wanted to find an answer to two Asa Di Vaar videos I have seen recently. In both videos, after the Pauree "Pariaa Hove Guneghar Ta Ohmi Saadh Na Mareeae" is read, then after a shabad is sang, the Ragi has fast forwarded to the final part of Asa Di Vaar "Har Jug Jug Bhagat Upaiaa" . I was thinking to myself where's the other 50% of the Bani gone? is it my mistake? I swear half of the Vaar isn't sung. Thanks.

Look carefully at the battle between Pro DG and Anti DG. See listed below a short list of pro and anti people: Pro DG --> Prof. Sahib Singh (academically qualified), Kahn Singh Nabha (Mahankosh writing quoted by anti DG hence showing stature) Dr Jodh Singh (qualified PHD), Dr Harpal Singh Pannu (qualified PHD) Anti DG --> "Prof" Darshan Singh (openly admitted no academic qualification) "Prof" Sarbjit Singh Dhunda (which qualification has allowed Dhunda to take prof title) "Prof" Inder Singh Ghagga (jealous of his older brother, again what qualification) "Principal" Gurbaksh Singh Thailand (principal? what the hell haha) in a test of credibility about the understanding of Gurbani, you have one group who have served the panth from day one to encourage the development of understanding and reading Gurbani, and you have another who either falsely attached titles, have made money from the same granth they are now attacking or are bored in old age and have nothing better to do

1. The reason why I believe in the stories is that I believe they are written by the great 10th master of the Sikhs. Charitrpakhyan is the most misunderstood religious scripture the world has ever seen. I would say it similar to parables, where there is a hidden moral in the story. It just people, maybe like you, are put off by the word prostitute, alcohol and drugs in the writing. 2. I havent heard Damdami Taksal being vocal on DG parkash? My point is if respected scholars didnt cast a doubt on SDG, what makes missionarys and Ragi Darshan any wiser? 3. My position (i am not a member of any elite btw) is when any bani is to be understood, whether the 11th master, DG, Bhai Nand Lal Sahib Ji or Bhai Gurdaas Sahib Ji, pronunciation/santhiya/learning of meanings must take place. You cant take an exam without reading the content first. Thats why Sahib-e-Kamaal 10th master created Damdami Taksal 4. Mate honest question, which parts of DG do you think are not in line with Gurmat. I'm just asking your opinion. Do you believe Jaap Sahib, all Swayie, Chaupai Sahib, Akaal Ustat, Khalsa Mehima, Hakaet, Zafaranama are all legtimate? 5. Im not in favour of brabar parkash. Nor do I feel that DG should be left hidden away like some dirty magazine as some would have it. It should be read of course. Just because I am in favour of SDG doesnt mean I like all this hindu rubbish about durga you are shouting out.

Just out of interest, what is the correct interpretation of the Sikh prophets in relation to Waheguru. Where they a form of God or were they messengers. I thought waheguru was above human form as stated in mool mantar in Jap Ji Sahib or charchi chand of Jaap Sahib

1. Which one is it? That he is a professor or he isn't? I'm just curious to know how he got that title, I know loads of Kathavachiks who know more than Ragi Darshan, they never been called Professor 2. You don't seem to understand my scholar based question. I am asking you straight. Do you believe the following scholars/giannis to have great/credible giaan of sikh philsophy and Gurbani: Prof Sahib Singh Kahn Singh Nabha Kapur SIngh ICS Giani Giaan Singh Giani Ditt Singh Piara Singh Padam Bhai Randhir Singh Bhindranwaley Taksaal/Nanaksar Mahapursh If you do, then how do you reconcilliate their position with that of yourself and Ragi Darshan. I am trying to point out that the greatest academics Sikhism has ever made all back pro-DG stance. Why dont you accept this? 3. I am not dodging any bullet I am asking your fair questions? Do you agree that when kintoo prantoo is about to be done by someone on the writings of one of the greatest prophets ever seen, then that person should have done santhiya of that Gurbani first, off a respected teacher, than learn the meanings of that Bani using the various Teeke, instead of reading it at face value. 3. Do you know if any anti-DG has had santhiya and been taught meaning of DG at proper level? 4. It isnt a fight between Dusht Daman and the birth of the Khalsa. What is this argument you keep pushing. Dusht Daman is mentioned in a couple of couplets in Bachittar Natak (if I'm not mistaken) so why do you keep going on like it is in every segment of Dasam Granth. The Khalsa receives almighty praise via SDG (inhi kirpa ke sajan hum hain). What about 33 swaiye and Khalisa Mehima. These banis give a great insight into the Khalsa's aim and objectives. Which other granth does this? 5. Please do not state about whether I like durga mata or whatever. I dont believe your opinions of Dasam Granth are correct. I am in no position to argue against SDG as I have not had enough santhiya or been taught the meanings. 6. Just clearly, please tell us which Banis you believe are "legtimate" and which are not in DG 7. Why again do you keep comparing between two totally different events. How did it become a choice between dusht daman or the life of the great, amazing 10th master of the Sikhs. I believe of course that the time of the great Sikh prophets is more important than any other writings, but DG isn't a competition between the two.

1. Ragi Darshan's fake professorship isn't relevant to Dasam Granth discussion, that is correct, but he should not be misleading people into thinking that he has academic stature by attaching professor to himself 2. What is a certified video? You are asking for a video then straight after saying that any video evidence I might find has been edited to be anti-Ragi Darshan. You cant have both. Here is evidence 3. You didn't answer the question of the academics who are for and against Sri Dasam Granth. Do you agree that Sikhism's most respected scholars back a pro-Dasam Granth stance? If they do, is Ragi Darshan more intelligent to spot something that they missed? 4. Has Ragi Darshan ever had santhiya of Sri Dasam Granth. How can one seek to evaluate the message given in religious scriptures when one has not even bothered to find the correct pronunciation. Isn't it santhiya first than katha later? 5. Can you please tell me why Thaliand Wala/Jeonwala/Ghagga/Dhunda/Jachak all have affiliations to the Gurmat Gian Missonary College? Isn't there something systematic about the anti-DG brigade 6. If you dont believe in Dusht Daman story, can you please explain Ragi Darshan in this below video. Why has Ragi Darshan used DG for his own means two fold, once to make money then second to gain popularity (for the wrong reasons) 7. Why do you keep comparing the ideology of DG with that of the great 11th master of the Sikhs. If the ideology and the message is the same, then there would have been no need for DG to be written by our beloved, brave 10th master. DG has a totally different role to play in the Khalsa system. 8. That stuff you have posted in blue, it's tone suggests that no Dasam Granth has ever existed. Isn't that contrary to your position of there are good bits and bad bits, but there is a granth written by the great 10th master?

1. I have never heard of anyone being called professor out of respect. It is usually an academic qualification. Hence, you are admitting that Ragi Darshan has no adequate academic qualification to justify the professor name he uses? 2. Ragi Darshan does not agree with any banis that are in Sri Dasam Granth!! He has never stated he is in favour of the "good bits", he has flatly condemned all parts. Can you show me proof of Ragi Darshan speaking in favour of Jaap Sahib, Twaiye Prasaad Swayaie, Chaupai Sahib? Doesn't he also say that nitnem/amrit banis in their current format are fake? 3. No respected scholar holds Ragi Darshan's/Thailand Wala/Ghagga/TIger Jatha than Dr Rattan Singh Jaggi. The same jaggi that wrote a pro and anti SDG thesis. Who wins the battle --> Pro Dasam Granth led by Prof Sahib Singh/Kahn Singh Nabha/Kapur Singh ICS/Giani Gian Singh/Giani Ditt Singh/Kesar Singh Chibbar vs. Anti Dasam Granth led by Bhasouria/Dhunda/Ragi Darshan/Some guy from Ambala/Kala Afghana. 4. The parkash of SDG EQUAL to the great 11th master of the Sikhs is a no go. However, that doesn't mean you can justify trying to tear apart the writings of the amazing, brave 10th master just to suit your own agenda. Ragi Darshan is one of the dumbest people recent Sikh history has ever had. He had everything, respect of the Sikh Sangat's around the world, his parchaar was respected and he made a living. Now, all that is in reverse. Perhaps, sadly, the passing of his talented son has had an adverse effect?

Can you please answer some questions for me kindly? 1. Which Masters or Phd did Darshan Singh do to gain the title of professor? 2. Why did he make money from doing Kirtan of Sri Dasam Granth, the same granth he is now dissing 3. Name one respected academic/scholar that backs Darshan Singh's position on Sri Dasam Granth 4. Who gave authority to Ragi Darshan, tiger jatha, Thailand wala, ghagga etc. to openly question the authenticity of Sri Dasam Granth 5. Which position does Ragi Darshan hold, is it that all of SDG is false? some of it is false? Which is it 6. Why does he always do his poisonous parchar in parts of the world where Sikhs are asleep. Why doesn't he come to the stronghold areas to see if his parchar meets the truth test 7. Why did he not have any research carried out or debate this issue when he held the highest political seat as Jathedar of Sri Akaal Takht Sahib Cheers m8

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lol im just interested to know enit, he started it