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apart from land the boys can look after family business.thats why their is a strong desire for boys

i respect sufi type islam .but there is no need to respect <Edited> and fanatic islam.

muslims say that their sentiments are hurt by cartoons.but what about the sentiments of other religions.saudi arabia don't allow non muslims to pray at home.in 2002 a gurudwara was forcibly shut down in kuwait by the government.what about the sentiments of sikhs.if they want respect for their prophet they should respect the other religions

wjkk wjkf the biggest point in favour of reincarnation is why people have different destiny.why some have all the worldly pleasures while others have nothing.why some people are born without eyes hands or feets why some people are mentally retarted.if we accept islamic view of one chance then where will mentally retarded people go.they don't understand what is right what is wrong

Is there a hell or heaven? (Source: "Introduction to Sikhism" , Author: Dr. Gobind Singh Mansukhani) Man is judged according to his actions. If he has done evil deeds, he goes into lower forms of life; if he has done noble deeds, he gets a human life again. The idea of hell and heaven is a mere hypothesis. The picture of hell as a place of varied and terrible tortures is symbolic: "There is a stream of fire from which comes poisnous flames. There is none else there except the self. The waves of the ocean of fire are aflame. And the sinners are burning in them." (A.G. p 1026) Shaikh Farid tells us that hell is a burning lake resounding with terrible cries. It may be added that the result of a sinful life is its adverse effect on character from which ultimately comes suffering and torment. In short, to be in hell is to be out of the presence of God. Similarly there is no actual place called heaven. Sikhism does not regard the winning of a place in heaven as a worthy object. The old Indian concept of heaven is of a beautiful place providing all sorts of comforts and luxuries. The devotee is neither afraid of hell nor anxious to go to heaven. In a way, hell and heaven are conditions of mind. The virtuous man is happy and contented, as if he is living in heaven. The concept of hell and heaven is just a rough illustration for clarifying the doctrine of Karma. Hell and heaven refer to evil or good stages of life repectively and they can be lived here and now in our earthly existence. According to Guru Arjan Dev Ji, "Whereever the praises of God are sung, there verily is heaven." Likewise, the society of the wicked is a hell. The condition of an average man is described thus: "Like birds that flock in the evening on a tree, flutter with pleasure and pain, scan the skies morning and evening, wandering everywhere, driven by hunger. So the soul of man wanders and suffers on earth." The worldly man eats, enjoys and sleeps, unmindful of the higher things of life. He is free, and perhaps, may choose wrongly. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: Christians always talk about going to heaven or hell, what does Sikhism say about it? A: Christians believe that God lives in heaven and Christians always talk about going to heaven. First of all, salvation is not reached just by entering in heaven. Salvation is reached by merging in the Holy Spirit. Salvation is not reached by just talking and doing good deeds, it is reached by meditating on God, and living the life by renouncing lust, greed, anger, emotional attachment and egotistical pride. ?As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven, he does not reach God? (Guru Granth Sahib 325). The desire should be to meet God, not to go to heaven. Heaven and Hell are not created to live but to award and punish. Your good deeds will be paid off in heaven, your bad deeds in hell; you will then take birth again until you become One with God. source: http://www.realsikhism.com/faq/heavenorhell.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The mission of the life of a Sikh is not to get a ticket into Heaven after death. While living, one should aim to realize the Lord vibrating everywhere in the universe and in every living being. Living according to the Will of the Lord and singing His virtues during the earthly life is living in Heaven. Ignoring Him and suffering from vices, such as ego, anger, lust, greed, etc., is living in Hell. The Guru said that there is no place called Heaven or Hell where people are destined to go after they leave the world. All of us have experienced this and hence we can learn a lesson, ?Love the Lord, the Father-Mother of all humanity, the way we love our dad and mom. All people are His/Her children; love them as your brothers and sisters.? If we practice this lesson, there will be peace all over the earth, and it will become like Heaven we are desirous of getting into after our death. Hating anyone because of his/her faith, race, color, caste, nationality, status, etc. displeases our common Creator, God. Forcing your faith on the weak is a great sin. Therefore, those who tease, torture, or kill people because of these differences will ever suffer in the worst hell. Those who help the weak and needy enjoy heavenly peace and pleasure here and hereafter. That is why Guru Nanak advised people to pray everyday, ?God! In Thy Name, bless the whole of humanity.? The definitions given by different faiths do not disagree with any of the above descriptions of God. Other qualities of God generally accepted are that He is omnipresent, incomprehensible, immanent and transcendent. Further, God has been described as gracious, kind and caring for all creation. Some also believe that God created eternal Heaven for the comfort of faithful people after their death; they also believe in Hell where all non-believers who ignore His commandments will suffer forever. As I said earlier, the mission of the life of a Sikh is not to get into Heaven after death. While living, one should aim to realize the Lord vibrating everywhere in the universe and in every living being. Living according to the Will of the Lord and singing His virtues during the earthly life is living in Heaven. Ignoring Him and suffering from vices, such as ego, anger, lust, greed, etc., is living in Hell. The Guru preached that there is no place called Heaven or Hell where people are destined to go after they leave the world. A Sikh is not to worship any heavenly body such as the sun or moon, or images, pictures, or paintings of gods, not even of their own Gurus. Guru Nanak?s view is that God is not sectarian. The Guru disagreed with the Muslim belief that God, Allah, because of the intercession of the prophet Mohammed would welcome Muslims into Bahisht (heaven) and throw Kafirs (non-Muslims) into the fire of Dozakh (hell). In the same way, he disagreed with the Hindu idea that God, Bhagwan, would admit only high-caste Hindus to heaven and throw the rest into hell. Furthermore, the Guru rejected the idea that there were many gods, all of who must be wooed with gifts of food and sacrifices of animals or humans. According to Sikhism, all people are loved by God and are equally able to realize Him. (Guru Granth, p. 6 ) The man-assumed heaven and hell are not particular places beyond our earth. The place where we love God and sing His virtues is actually the heaven, the place where one receives the blessings of God. A person who fails to love God actually lives in Hell on this very earth. The belief of each religious group that they alone are entitled to go to heaven and the followers of all other faiths will go to hell, was rejected by Guru Nanak. One can imagine how such thoughts touched the traditional people. The Brahmans had preached for hundreds of years that among the Hindus they were the superior most human beings. The fighters, called Kashatryas, were placed next to them and the third position was given to the business community. People serving the three higher castes were considered Sudras, the low caste, hence were believed unfit for heaven. According to the Brahmans, all non-Hindus along with the lower castes were destined for hell. Similarly, the Muslims considered Bahisht (heaven) to be reserved for them alone. All non-Muslims were kafirs destined for Dozakh (hell). However, the Guru denied that beyond this earth, somewhere else in the universe, there existed any particular places known as either heaven or hell to which our souls were headed. The reason most of us believe in religion is that after death we want to get admission to heaven and are frightened of being thrown into hell. The Guru said the goal of human life is not qualifying for admission in a non-existent heaven or being scared of a mythological hell. A person is in hell when he ignores the presence of God within him and suffers from ego, hate, lust or anger. He enjoys the bliss of heaven when he sings the virtues of God and loves His children, the human beings. (Guru Granth, p. 6 ) The Guru decried the old Brahmanical rituals believed to help a man reach heaven. He said that adopting the creed of fake purity (something gets polluted if seen or touched by a low caste person), abandoning the family life for meditation, and reading scriptures to grasp the knowledge and intelligence therein, are of little use for realizing God. The path for realization of the goal of life is obedience to the Will of the Lord. Guru Granth, p. 8 ) It means we will be judged by our deeds and not by our beliefs. Anyone (a Hindu, a Muslim or a person of any other faith, a low caste, a rich person, a poor person, a scholar, or an illiterate, man or woman) who loves God can realize Him. In other words, God is nobody?s private inheritance; nobody can claim a franchise on Him. Forcing and torturing the weak to change their faith and method of worship is anti-God. It is like threatening a person to force him to address his/her father as ?Dad? and not as ?Papa?. Such actions are disapproved of by God. A person, regardless of his caste, faith, or social status, who said that God lives in all human beings, was accepted by the Guru to be a holy human. A close friend of Guru Nanak of his childhood age was Mardana, a Muslim, born in a so-called low caste. He was addressed as Bhai (brother) by Guru Nanak. The hymns of more than two dozen devotees of God (Bhagats) from different religions and speaking different languages were included in the Holy scripture, the Guru Granth Sahib, to guide the life of the seekers of Truth. The followers of the major world religions claim: ?My religion is the only true faith; people believing in any other faith will go to hell. Conversion of non-members to my faith will ?save? them. God is pleased with such efforts of the believers. In reward I will get a seat in heaven for ?saving? the heathen.? (Bhai Gurdas, // 1-33 ) The Guru cleared this big ignorance of the traditional thinkers. He stated that there was no place called heaven nor any called hell where, after death, people will go for eternity. Gurbani explains that living according to the Will of the Lord, keeping Him always in mind and heart and singing His Virtues, is being in heaven. Hell is suffering from ego, lust, greed, anger, jealousy, slander, etc. source: http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-91420.html _________________ Prayer = TALKING to God, Meditation/Simran = LISTENING to God ! Have a happy, healthy & holy life ! "WAHEGURU" naam jahaaz hai, charre so utre paar !

wjkk wjkf bRhmx kYlI Gwqu kM\kw AxcwrI kw Dwnu ] (1413-4, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3) barahman kailee ghaat kanjkaa anchaaree kaa Dhaan. If a Brahmin kills a cow or a female infant, and accepts the offerings of an evil person, iPtk iPtkw koVu bdIAw sdw sdw AiBmwnu ] (1413-5, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3) fitak fitkaa korh badee-aa sadaa sadaa abhimaan. he is cursed with the leprosy of curses and criticism; he is forever and ever filled with egotistical pride. pwih eyqy jwih vIsir nwnkw ieku nwmu ] (1413-5, slok vwrW qy vDIk, mÚ 3) paahi aytay jaahi veesar naankaa ik naam. One who forgets the Naam, O Nanak, is covered by countless sins. according to pro sahib singhs translation of this line those who forget the name of god are earning sins like killing brahmin,killing cow ,killing infant daughter.

wjkk wjkf just ask them have the western world accepted quran as miracle.it is only muslims intellectuals that beleive quran is miracle.what about athesists or non-muslim intellectuals do they beleive quran as miracle.so there is no miracle in quran

i have a question to all heaven hell supporters.if there is heaven and hell which we get according to our karmas then why we get suffering and pleasures on this earth

wjkk wjkf late gyani sant singh ji maskeen had always said in his katha that heaven and hell exists on earth.a person who have all the worldly pleasures is like living in heaven on the other hand a person is born on road or suffer from incurable illness or handicaped is like living in hell

wjkk wjkf after reading this sakhi i have question that why some amritdharis eat only from the amritdharis

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&...d=6&m=12&y=2005 Indian May Lose Eye for Blinding Saudi During Fight M. Ghazanfar Ali Khan, Arab News RIYADH, 6 December 2005 ? An expatriate worker jailed in Dammam for partially blinding a Saudi national in a fight may lose one eye by court order. Abdul Lateef Naushad, 34, from the south Indian state of Kerala, got into a fight with a Saudi and injured the Saudi?s eye. The Saudi reportedly lost the sight in that eye several weeks later. The incident happened in 2003. The case has now been referred to the appeals court in Riyadh for final review. ?The Indian Embassy will make an appeal for royal clemency,? said an embassy official. The embassy, which was unaware of the case until recently, has contacted the worker?s sponsor who is attempting to help the Indian worker. According to the sentence by a court in Dammam, one of Naushad?s eyes should be gouged out as punishment for causing the Saudi to lose the sight in one eye. The case has now been transferred to the Higher Court in Riyadh following an appeal. Saudi and Indian officials have shown sympathy for Naushad and have come forward to help. Naushad?s wife Sulekha, 30, and their two children live in Kerala. Naushad has not seen his three-year-old daughter because he has been in jail for the last three years. Sulekha also looks after Naushad?s parents. They are surviving on the kindness of Naushad?s friends who regularly send them money. According to Naushad?s colleagues who are witnesses in the case, a settlement appears remote as the Saudi is adamant and refuses to accept monetary compensation and pardon the man despite concerted efforts by the defendant?s lawyer and his employer. In a similar case recently, the same sentence was given to an Egyptian who threw acid into the eyes of a Saudi.

wjkk wjkf thank you for explaining me why india is unable to produce good fast bowlers as it is proven thing that india can't produce good fast bowlers and athletes.people just here blame things like politics corruption.but the fact is that these things do exists in other countries.

WJKK WJKF wat siege n the chalee muktaey wudnt hav left if they cud eat there own horses n if milk is ONLY given to the calf itll b 2 much leftova as dey only drink it 4 lilbit bhul chuk maaf WJKK WJKF 134351[/snapback] wjkk wjkf many vegetarians like maneka gandhi are arguing against milk also.don't think that cow is happily giving its milk.and this is false that calf drink only a little milk and the remaining milk is leftover

wjkk wjkf when i was a child i was very fond of going to diaries and there i saw enormous cruelities to animals done by humans.majority of calves of buffaloes dies from hunger.i respect vegetarians as they do not want to hurt animals but when they argue that milk is not bad .then there is only one word for them hypocrit

How many noble men, prophets or men of god has pakistan produced as compared to India. And dont foget to compare the attitude and personalities of these meat eating muslims (butchers). Physical strength is not utmost....its ur mental state that needs to be strong. About india producing fast bowelers is not matter of their diet, but matter of cricket politics. I've seen some real fast bowelers during my stint at PCA academy... its different if they are selected to national team or not. I hope you can bowl at 150-155 kmph.... bhul chuk maaf 133510[/snapback] i agree with you that vegetarian diet is very good for mind for thats why india has produced so many intellectuals.but physically indians are weak this is the main reason that indians are lagging in sports where physical strength is needed.even national record for indian runners is not good enough to get them selected in olympics. and about politics in cricket it is everywhere even in pakistan.btw i am not a cricketer

wjkk wjkf our guru s drank milk because diet was never an issue in sikhism. it is only some brahmin type sikhs that have bring this issue in sikhism i have a suraj prakash in which it is written that guru nanak ate meat at kurukshetra.meat was distribuited in langar at the time of guru angad.but the replies of the vegetarians is that we are no where near the awastha of guruji we can't eat it.

you haven't answer that why india is unable to produce good fast bowlers or why indians are lagging in sports where physical power is needed.why non vegetarians americans negros chinese are so good in sports. and if you want to debate sikh perspective of meat eating then please visit www.sikhphilosophy.net or any other sikh site where meat debates are allowed.debating on meat issue is banned on this site

cow produce milk for its calf not for humans.for centuries hindus befooled people that cow is a mother and it is producing milk for humans.strange that some sikhs still beleive in it

wjkk wjkf i agree with it .it is a non issue for sikhs.but we are debating whether scientificaly it is good or bad to eat meat.

just so u know, the vast majority of the INDIAN communities are meat eaters... 133148[/snapback] in india people consume meat for taste not as a reguler food as europeans americans or pakistanis.they do not consume meat regularly

you talking about vegetarians, like Amar Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji, Amar Shaheed Baba Banda Singh Bahadur, Amar Shaheed Bhai Mani Singh Ji, Amar Shaheed Baba Gurbakhsh Singh Ji :lol: 133089[/snapback] wjkk wjkf i am talking about a common person not about great gursikhs.their spiritual awastha was very high.at that awastha diet is not important.btw was baba banda singh bahadur a vegetarian

wjkk wjkf to all the vegetarians a simple question.both india and pakistan are cricket crazy with same climate same pitches.still in the last 60 years india is unable to produce a tearaway fast bowler.many pakistani bowlers regularly bowl at 150-155 kmph while for the indian fast bowlers it is difficuilt to reach 135 kmph.pakistani commentators humilate india that a country of over a billion people is unable to produce a fast bowler.the only diffrence between indians and pakis is their reguler nonveg diet.

a very very happy gurpurab to you all

wjkk wjkf can those scientists answer the question that why the vegetarians communities especially indians are so physically weak while non veg communities are so physically strong

wjkk wjkf if any person beleive that christianity islam and judasim are the same religion then sikhism and hinduism is also same.there are many similarities between christianity isllam and judaism like they all beleive in adam and eve heaven and hell etc still they are different similiarly there are similarities between hinduism and sikhism but we are diffrent