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but wait. if she aint in india or somethin, then cant her rents be sued for havin her married at age 15?? especially if she dont want it...like she wanna study and all dont she? so... anyone know what thing can be done to prevent this stupid marriage thin?

HAPPY BIRFDAY!!! (both of you. lol :D ) too bad youre not celebrating it with me. normally people like spendin their time with me ya know... cuz im just that cool :D but of course.... :umm: spendin it with Gurus words are the best :wub: may God bless stay in chad di kalaa!! :wub: have a good one.. though it would be better celebrated with me of course

i still cant put mine up :wub: the attachment wont post :wub:

i luv the above :TH:

im in this pic ahahaha anywho.... the penji whos playin Gatka was sooooooooooooo good at yudh gathering she was wicked

thats what i always used to say now im older and understand that some people just dont care or that they so used to it meh

i heard a little is okay but wouldnt that be the same as wearing good clothes and all?

ya i saw those interviews/speeches toooo bush dont know how to talk he dont got no good speech eh he tries so hard to sound so powerful and all confident... but he aint one bit of that and ya...ahahaha the guy called him a devil ahahaha when he said that bush acts as if he controls the world, i started laughing cuz thats what i ALWAYS say ahaha btw.... seems like Bin Ladin got a disease and died/gonna die :'( andddd.......... i say the WW already pretty much started

aint workin for me i cant add no attachment :wub:

yo penji... you from india or some other place?? cuz if you from like canada or something.. whatever youre goin through, would be against the law so....let us know where youre from please.

ya......so basically inccorect info was brought out by the author see:

yeah..where you live penji?

GurFateh penji. tell them about how you feel. if you cant tell your mother, tell someone else in your family, who you think can talk to your parents about how you feel about this issue. speak strongly about who you can become in life if you get educated. let them hear about how Sikhi doesnt allow this kind of stuff. also tell them that, you can get married later on while studying at the same time. be very positive. tell them how you will be successful in life. may Guru guide you penji. take care. God bless.

how is that sad... thats the best thing ever :T: :nihungsmile:

yeah... now thing i gotta do is teach all the people in my class that this is wrong... we gonna discuss it tomorrow. everyone in my class is 'white' so it gonna be a bit hard ^^^meaning?

I heard that Guru Nanak Dev ji was married and went around the Ik Oa(n)kaar... dont know how though... saw a pic and looked like there were flowers on shaped into an IkOAnkaar. but you can never really trust pics can you :wub: and plus... would Guru ji really allow the Ik Oa(n)kaar symbol be darwn on the floor??? :wub: @

One of the courses I took this year is Geographic Analysis (Canadian and World Issues) Before dismissing the class today, my teacher handed out a news article. (New Delhi, india) When I took a Religion course last year, an article was brought in by my teacher. It talks about a girl who was named Charanpreet Kaur, age 19, who was married to a man. Though I could clearly identify her bias, opinionated thoughts, which caused people to point fingers at me and also question the Sikh faith, I still had to try to teach them that this is all in fact against Sikhi. People thought that I was just "defending my people". the link to the article is: http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/hamiltonspecta...killings+endure It may have been posted before....but i couldnt find it... You have limitted access to the article itself, but I will post the entire article. It follows EXACTLY: India's horrific dowry killings edndure She was 19 -- a shy young woman, married and three months pregnant. When her family failed to ante up to the inlaws' endless demands, she was bunred to death. By John Lancaster The Washington PostNEW DELHI, INDIA (Nov 2, 2005) Charanpreet Kaur, 19, of India, had been married less than nine months when her husband and his family decided it was time for her to go. Trapping her in the bathroom, her husband clamped his hand over her mouth while his father doused her with kerosene, according to a police document. The father then lit a match, setting his daughter-in-law on fire. She died five days later. India's endless dowry wars had claimed another victim. Notwithstanding the gold jewellery, colour television set and other finery that served as the price of admission to her husband's middle-class Sikh household, Charanpreet's new relations were not satisfied with the bounty and kept demanding more, according to Charanpreet's relatives and the statement she gave investigators before she died. "Even before this incident my father-in-law used to put pressure on me to get more money," said the statement by the young woman, who was three months pregnant. It is unusual only because Charanpreet lived long enough to point a gingr at her alleged attackers, who claimed the fire was accidental. The case underscores the deeply entrenched nature of dowry in some parts of India -- and its grim corrolary, the murder of young brides whose families fail to ante up -- even in the face of rising levels of income and education linked to India's fast-growing economy. In particular, the death of the young newlywed -- a shy, deeply religious schoolteacher's daughter whose husband had a college degree and worked in computer graphics -- shows that the age-old practice endures even, and perhaps especially, amoung the educated urban middle-class. Despite laws barring dowry, and decades of protests and public awareness campaigns, a nationwide survey of 10, 000 households by the All-India Democratic Women's Association in 2002 found that the practice was no longer confined to the Hindu upper castes, where it originated, but had spread across a broad range of classes and communities, including Muslims and Christians. One consequence is the growing dearth of baby girls in India, where many middle-class parents, fearing the high costs of dowry, have taken to aborting female fetuses identifiedthrough ultrasound examinations. The skewed sex ratio is most pronounced in relatively prosperous areas such as New Delhi, the capital, where the 2001 cencus found 868 girls for every 1,000 boys under age six. The figure for India as a whole is 933 for every 1,000 boys. "I think it's in a way very shocking that social relations are not changing in a fast-growing economy," said Ranjana Kumari, the director of the Centre for Social Research in New Delhi. "All this modernization, liberalization, golbalization -- all this modern economy -- and the people are not changing. The mindset is so rigid." There are some signs of progress. For example, the number of reported dowry killings has dipped sligtly, from 6,285 in 2003, the most recent year for which statistics are available. And two years ago, Indian news media made a heroine our of Nisha Sharma, a 21-year-old computer student who summoned police to her wedding when the groom's family escalated their dowry demands at the last minute. Matrimonial ads placed by parents of prospective brides occasionally come with the caveat, "Dowry seekers need not apply." By all accounts, however, dowry-giving remains the norm in Indian marriages. the union of Charanpreet Kaur and Sarabjeet Singh was no exception. Born in 1985, Charanpreet grew up in the New Delhi neighbourhood of Gruru Nanak Nagar, a maze of narrow paved alleys with small brick row houses. Pungent with cooking smells and motorbike exhaust, the largely middle-class neighbourhood is dominated by migrants from the fertile agricultural region known as the Punjab. Like Charanpreet and her family. most are SIkhs, a religious minority known for its strong work ethic and egalitrian values. Typically, Sikh men use the name Singh and women take the name Kaur. Until last year, Charanpreet lived with her parents in a tiny, well-scrubbed ground-floor apartment with a closet-size kitchen, a refrigerator in the hall and pictures of Sikh gurus on the walls. She shared a bedroom with her brother, Amandeep, 14. Her father, Satwant, 47, earns his living as a private tutor to primary students; her mother, Paramjit, 42, teaches at a government primary school. A quiet young woman with wide-set eyes and a diffident manner, Charanpreet graduated from high school two years ago and had enrolled in a college correspondence course with the aim of following her parents into teaching, relatives and neighbours said. With few close friends, she preferred to spend her free time at home, where she immersed herself in Sikh prayer books and sometimes watched the Indian Discovery Channel and Indian Cartoon Network on a small colour television. Then, early last year, neighbours provided Charanpreet's parents with the name of an eligible bachelor. The son of a retired army subendar, or junior commissioned officer, Sarabjeet Singh earned a degree from Delhi University, brought home $227 in rupees a month designing catalogues at a computer-graphics company and lived nearby with his parents, brother and sister-in-law. During a meeting with Sarabjeet's parents at the local gurdwara, or Sikh temple, Charanpreet's parents were so impressed by the young man's credentials and the family's evident piety that they agreed on the marriage then and there, without setting eyes on their future son-in-law. "They told us our little girl would live like a princess in that house," recalled Paramjit Kaur, a compact, expressivewoman in a satiny blue tunic. Bearded and handsome beneath his turban, Sarabjeet Sigh had a polished, self-confident manner, and he apparently made a good impression when, several months later, he met his wife for the first time, at a ceremony where the two exchanged rings. "She was actually very happy to find a man who didn't eat meat or drink alcohol," her mother recalled. Last November, in a ceremony performed by a barefoot priest, the two were married at the gurdwara, where Charanpreet's parents hosted a lavish vegetarian feast for 250 guests. Bride and groom posed for photographs with garlands of rupee banknotes encircling their necks. The wedding cost the bride's family the equivalent of $11,000 Cnd, in rupees, according to Charanpreet's parents. The largest share went for a dowry that included the colour television, bed linens, kitchenware, fine fabrics for suits and saris and gold jewelerry for the groom, his parents and other relatives. "The rich gave diamonds," Paramjit explained. But things went quickly awry. A month after joining her husband and his extended family in their cramped, three-storey house, Charanpreet approached her parents with a request from her husband for $2,280 (Cnd) in rupees, saying he wanted the money to start his own business. The demands apparently continued. During accasional visits home, Charanpreet hinted that she was unhappy in her new home and sometimes "would ask if there was any more money to spare," her mother said. Charanpreet's parents were unable to provide more financial help and could only counsel patience. "We'd keep telling her to adjust because we thought she was just a young bride and was going through teething troubles," her mother said. The truth was far worse than anything the family had imagined. On the morning of Aug. 19, Charanpreet returned from the bathroom to her husband, his parents, his brother and his brother's wife waiting for her in the third-floor bedroom, she said in her statement. Her sister-in-law, Harvinder Kaur, forced her into the bathroom, followed by Charanpreet's husband and father-in-law, who "started pouring kerosene oil all over from a plastic bottle." Her husband then left the room, leaving her father-in-law to strike a match and set her on fire. "I ran downstairs with my body on fire," the statement said. Burned so badly that her plastic bangles had melted into her wrist, Charanpreet lost consciousness and was taken to the hospital by her husband and father-in-law, who apparently believed she was close to death and would not be able to incriminate them, the young woman's relatives said. but Charanpreet regained consciousness a few hours later and gave her statement to a magistrate; her in-laws were arrested the same day. "The gods she used to pray to came to her help," her mother said of her daughter's ability to describe what had happened to her. "Even though she was such a shy girl, she was able to give the police such a clear and detailed statement." She found the strength then, and the last words she gave to the magistrative were, "These people should be punished." Ombir Bishnoi, an assistant police commissioner, said all four suspects had confessed to the killing. The family's lawyer, baldev Raj, disputed the validityof the confessions and described the fire as an accident, without giving further details. The four are in jail awaiting fromal muder charges. source: THE HAMILTON SPECTATOR Legal Notice: Contents copyright 1991-2005, The Hamilton Spectator. All rights reserved. did her sister-in-law not try to imagine herself in Charanpreets shoes?? :wub: not sure how common it is now...but... look at how "sikhs" do this as well.. soooo....how does this make you feel? and should the person really have the name "Singh" etc...

my opions: dont wear any other than sarab loh if youre AmritDhari i dont think Karas are meant to be gold :wub: so dont wear gold or anything wear one thats round at the edges so it dont cut off your hair...

^^^ is runnin out of things to say

ima do law (ciminal justice) may Vahiguru help me achieve my goal thats not a really big prob though... you still have time...

^^is good with comps

how is she a lovely "SIKH" girl if shes dating??? :wub: more so; how is she a lovely "SIKH" if she wants to get back together with him if he is what he is??? and if he's more comfortable with his MUSLIM friends...then let him be. if it hurt YOU to be rejected by him when you tried to talk about it his probs, how do you think his MOTHER feels for him not meeting her on the weekends??? you also said before: seeing that he didnt go to meet her, do you really think he loves/loved her very much?? why cant you turn your back on him if he turned his back on you? :wub: you said: it may be hard to accept, but yes...people do change ok, first of all, why would you go to them? did you really think that they would 'leave him alone' if you asked them to?? :D and of course they wouldnt care about what YOU said. do you really expect his FRIENDS to be kind to you, if he HIMSELF isnt kind to you/rejects you??? :D @ if youre sure that hes doin well, then why on Earth do you worry about him so much??? :umm: @ sorry to hear that penji... people change a lot...what can you really do about it? its Sangat i guess... i know i still have to get a better Sangat as well... but really...i dont think you can change his sangat.... anywho... from what i have read, i think you like him... im not sayin that you do...but thats what it sounds like. now this may hurt your feelings jio...but im only sayin it cuz i feel the need to try and help you. i dont know if ima end up helpin you or not...but ima try anyway. if he ignores you, then he obviously doesnt care about you or what you have to say. you said that he loved his mother very much. i mean...he doesnt even go to see his mother, knowing that she dont have a husband! what more can you expect from a guy like that??? you also said that he gets in trouble with the police... so what do you think you can do to help?? i see that you've been a good friend to him...but i also see that that was the past... and this is now... and i suggest you to forget about him. you tried a lot of times to get him on the right track, and he didnt listen..he ignored you. you have better things to think about. you dont deserve to worry off about someone who has rejected you so many times after being good friends with you... i really do highly suggest you to just go off without worryin about him. yeah, it hurts i know... ive been through/go through it...with family AND friends but slowly im learning to deal with it... it really takes a lot off your shoulders... i didnt mean to disrespect you or offend you in any way... if i have, then im sorry. take care penji. peace... GurFateh.

thanks for that... :TH: my fav part was this: "There" is no better than "here". When your "there" has become "here", you will simply obtain another "there" that will again look better than "here".

LOL - What are you bowing to? His response? He's claiming the Guru Granth is worsipped and treated like an idol, although this may be the case in some Gurdwaras, it does not mean that this is the truth. The Guru Granth Sahib ji is the word of God as states Guru Nanak Dv Ji![/b] thats what i was thinking :wub: but anywho...who/what was this persons response TO?? :wub: