On 2/4/2022 at 5:38 AM, 5aaban said:

We don't use 'Kameez' much till recently. It's only 'Jhaga' or 'Kurti'. The z sound usually becomes more like "y" sound in Malwa. E.g. Hazaar is Hyaar not Hajaar. And "y" sound in words like Yakeen becomes j (Jakeen). It's a bit complicated to explain. 

The changing  of 'z' to 'j' sound occurs in many rural Panjabi dialects. This is a feature of rural Panjabi as the 'z' sound is not native to Panjab, similar happens with 'f' sound which is pronounced more like 'ph' by rural speakers. 

instead of 'paisa/paise' , 'vaise' some (have heard all over Panjab but esp Majhails) say 'pahe' 'vahe'

From what you know of different dialects in Indian Panjab, which region or subregion's dialect has changed the most ?

I would guess Majha since it got cut off from Pakistani Panjab, and Malwa has become the dominant cultural and political area in Indian Panjab ?

Wrt to your point about y/z/j - I think they are all potentially correct - Gurmukhi written Panjabi only got standardised post-partition ?

Do you have any way to identify where in Panjab someone/there family is from when you speak with them ? Like any particular words which give it away ?

@dallysingh101 - you are very knowledgeable about this period of Sikh History, could you please give your opinion ?

These type of crimes targetting Asian and apne community continue to happen, Sangat in UK please be aware, I know of a family close to us who were affected and they live in a gora area

@S1ngh please move this thread to 'Politics/Lifestyle' 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/british-sikh-peer-defends-priti-patels-sikh-separatist-extremism-comments-in-us-think-tank-speech/articleshow/89331215.cms

Badal going strong

https://www.hindustantimes.com/elections/punjab-assembly-election/not-just-parkash-singh-badal-punjab-polls-will-also-have-this-80-year-old-candidate-101643868505833.html

Not just Parkash Singh Badal, Punjab polls will also have this 80-year-old candidate

Former Punjab chief minister Parkash Singh Badal. (HT Photo)

"Winnerjit Singh Goldy...."

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ludhiana/its-all-about-meeting-people-and-getting-on-to-their-phone-screens-7716971/

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Written by Raakhi Jagga | Ludhiana |
Updated: January 11, 2022 7:19:18 am

SAD candidate from Sangrur Winnerjit Singh Goldy recording a video for the voters of the area.

It’s a cold day but Winnerjit Singh Goldy, SAD candidate from Sangrur district, is all smiles as he walks down the alleys of Bhuttiwal village, meeting senior citizens and seeking their votes with his hands folded.

On 2/3/2022 at 7:26 AM, 5aaban said:

Sikhi is one of the fastest growing religions with 125,000 (2016) adherents in Australia, having grown from 12,000 in 1996, 17,000 in 2001 and 26,500 in 2006. Punjabi is the 13th most common language in Australia. 81% of Punjabi speakers are Sikhs, 13.3% are Hindus and 1.4% are Muslims. 

 

More please !

7 hours ago, 5aaban said:

In Malwa it's Tarka for morning, Aathan for evening, Juaak instead of nianey 

 

Never heard Aathan, only shaam. My parents and extended family are from Ludhiana zila/Puadh mainly. But asked my Mum, and she said that she used to say aathan when growing up

4 hours ago, proactive said:

In Jagraon, we use both sawaray for morning, tarka is used for very early morning such as dawn. We use Aathan for afternoon, is your  usage JUAAK rather than JWAAK which we use in Jagraon? In many parts of Malwa the language did change after the partition mainly as those who had migrated in the early 1900s to the canal colonies of Lyallpur and  Montgomery migrated back to their ancestral villages in Malwa having had their language influenced by the decades of living in the canal colonies. This is especially true of Ludhiana where the 1947 refugees were settled back in their ancestral villages. 

Kameej is used for women's top, such as salwaar kaameej. Jhagga is for a man's shirt. The z sound becomes a j sound in Malwa. 

My Dad grew up in Jagroan, came here as teeenager. I agree tarhke is used for early morning. Never heard him say aathan (he left Jagroan to come here over 50 years ago, maybe got influenced by others in the UK including Doabe). Some of our Ludhiane family friends use 'jwaak' (which my parents laugh a little at) but my parents say juaak or bache or niyane. 

4 hours ago, 5aaban said:

Early morning can be Wadda Tarka. For us Athan is evening/sunset and Dupaira is afternoon. Both pronunciations of Juaak/Jwaak are used in Malwa. It depends on the speaker to pick the one they prefer. 

 

 

Never heard 'wadda tarhka' lol

4 hours ago, proactive said:

Isn't Beti used more as a term of respect by elders who are not the actual parents of the girl to refer to a girl? The parents would call her BETAY - plural of Beti and Beta - or maybe this could just be a urban usage rather than in rural areas. 

Girls can be called 'beta' or 'betay' if addressed first person, beti if third person

1 hour ago, 5aaban said:

Yes I'm aware of Pehers being used for time periods throughout South Asia like Pehla Peher. In present day Malwa, Dupaira is afternoon time and 9am is still considered morning. 

Never heard any time before 12pm as dupair/dupaire. 

We use 'tarhke' ; 'savere' (or sometimes 'subah'); dupaire; shaam; raat; adi raat to refer to general times. Din vele for daytime. Shaam (or rarely Sundaye vele for evening ) - I think, maybe getting confused

Is 'tarhka' or 'turhka' correct Panjabi  for seasoning ? We say 'tarhka' I think all Malwe mostly do, 'turhka' is Doaba and maybe the correct pronounciation like 'put' for 'dig' and 'chuk' for 'pick' rather than 'pat' and 'chak'

1 minute ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I get diagnosed with anything terminal, wherever Jaggi is held is going to be lit ... where's Jaggi held?

4 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

There's Ian Blackford again. Starting to like that guy. He scottish?

Yes

Boris made him look silly recently though 

3 minutes ago, proactive said:

In Malwa every woman who is not your wife or daughter is referred to as a Burrhi. It quite is ironic that it is the word for wife in Majha. Interesting enough, Qazi Nur Mohammed who wrote the Jangnama after accompanying Ahmed Shah Abdali during his invasions of Punjab while commenting on the lack of adultery among Sikhs states that they refer to any woman, young or old as a Buddi. Looks like Malwa retained this tradition. 

Is it only a Malwa tradition for wife to not call husband by husband's name when calling him, or discussing him in conversation ?

On 1/29/2022 at 8:55 PM, Kau89r8 said:

 

Saw this tweet a few weeks ago...even though i like listening to some Ap Dhillion myself lol 

Don't think this comparison is right though...its pop culture ..same way why so many obsessed with Kardashians / reality tv / social media etc etc.

Majha used to have very few singers, probably because it has traditionally been more strict in Sikhi, but there seems to be increasing numbers of Majhail singers now 

On 1/31/2022 at 4:48 PM, dallysingh101 said:

You might want to check out Goodmayes. Chigwell is posh as f**k. Don't know Woodford. Romford is like old east London a bit, lots of wannabe white 'wide boys' there apparently? lol

I know people who live/lived in Chigwell and have visited them, and it is not all posh from what I see.

 Also, it's got a lot of 'new money' rich types that live there rather than traditionally wealthy families, think 'Birds of a Feather' from TV

I know Asians that have moved from East Ham to Romford as well, the 'white flight' will likely continue moving outwards...

7 minutes ago, 5aaban said:

I don't think it will do anything. The same artists are featuring in many more Panjabi films. It's become a trend to see at least one Pakistani in Panjabi in movies these days. Punjabi actors need to see the above three old films to learn their views on Sikhs before getting too comfortable.  

7/11 main actors in this one are Pakistanis 

By their nature of being actors and singers, these people are all sellouts to their Religion

Thought this was interesting

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/29-Jan-2022/indian-actor-singer-gippy-grewal-barred-from-entering-pakistan

Indian actor-singer Gippy Grewal has been barred from entering Pakistan through Wagah border on Friday as the Indian immigration authorities reportedly stopped him at the Atari border.

According to sources in the Evacuee Propriety Trust Board, all the arrangements were in place to receive the Punjabi singer at the border as he was scheduled to visit Kartarpur.

“He was to move to Kartarpur (Narowal) at 9:30am and return to Lahore by 3:30pm. Later, Gippy was scheduled to attend a reception at Governor House. On Jan 29, he was to visit Nankana Sahib before his return to India,” an ETPB official told Dawn.

According to another source, the 39-year-old was to enter Pakistan through the Wagah border on a two-day visit with six or seven other people, however, he was stopped at the Atari check post.

“He was also to visit Gurdwara Darbar Sahib in Lahore and then he had meetings at the Governor House. The next day he was supposed to leave for Nankana Sahib to pay respects at the Sikh religious site,” he explained.

Moreover, the last time Grewal visited Kartarpur he socialised with people and showed great enthusiasm, warmth and love for Pakistanis and the places he visited. 

On the work front, Gippy Grewal is a popular figure in Pakistan, especially with Punjabi film audience, and internationally too, his films, such as Carry on Jutta and Lucky Di Unlucky Story topped popularity charts.