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Nobody has responded to Mehtab Singh so far. Does anybody have an actual source for this news? If it's by personal communication with Singhs in Punjab, then say that.

The Wonders of the Dasam Duar, Only for Gursikhs The charlatan Mahesh Jha (i.e., "Ashutosh") is taking his chelas for a ride. He gives them a kind of mantar which supposedly gives them parkash. That's why he calls his group of thieves the Divya Jyoti Jagran Sansthan (Inner Light Awakening Institution). But the ability to give true parkash, darshan of God and not mere magical powers, is given exclusively by God to the Satguru (Guru Nanak). Only the Satguru has the power to open the Dasam Duar, upon which the seeker sees the light of God. We need to get this message out to Sikhs because something like half the people there were "Sikhs" with turbans. ਇਸੁ ਗੁਫਾ ਮਹਿ ਅਖੁਟ ਭੰਡਾਰਾ ॥ Within this cave, there is an inexhaustible treasure. ਤਿਸੁ ਵਿਚਿ ਵਸੈ ਹਰਿ ਅਲਖ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥ Within this cave, the Invisible and Infinite Lord abides. Satguru promises the divine light, no need for "Ashutosh": ਅੰਤਰਿ ਚਾਨਣੁ ਅਗਿਆਨੁ ਅੰਧੇਰੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥ Deep within, the Divine Light has dawned, and the darkness of ignorance has been dispelled. To achieve the opening of the Dasam Duar, it is necessary to restrain the lower passions: ਨਉ ਦਰ ਠਾਕੇ ਧਾਵਤੁ ਰਹਾਏ ॥ Those who close off the nine gates, and restrain the wandering mind, ਦਸਵੈ ਨਿਜ ਘਰਿ ਵਾਸਾ ਪਾਏ ॥ come to dwell in the Home of the Tenth Gate. ਓਥੈ ਅਨਹਦ ਸਬਦ ਵਜਹਿ ਦਿਨੁ ਰਾਤੀ ਗੁਰਮਤੀ ਸਬਦੁ ਸੁਣਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੬॥ There, the Unstruck Melody of the Shabad vibrates day and night. Through the Guru's Teachings, the Shabad is heard. ||6|| Without the true Word, there's only darkness, no matter how much "Ashutosh" may protest: ਬਿਨੁ ਸਬਦੈ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਆਨੇਰਾ ॥ Without the Shabad, there is only darkness within. Only the Satguru has the key to the Dasam Gate, no one else. I.e., only Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and not Ashutosh, Bhaniarewala, Sirsawala, Beaswala, Bhaniwala, etc. ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਥਿ ਕੁੰਜੀ ਹੋਰਤੁ ਦਰੁ ਖੁਲੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰੈ ਭਾਗਿ ਮਿਲਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੭॥ The key is in the hands of the True Guru; no one else can open this door. By perfect destiny, He is met. ||7|| ਮਾਝ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ॥ p 124 http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=124&L=9&id=5066

Great idea. It would be wonderful if kirtanias could sing the shabads posted in this thread to let the sangat hear what Gurbani says about gurnindaks: Gurmat Regarding Charlatans Like Ashutosh

There used to be a very small gurdwara to commemorate these Singhs shaheedi right behind the building of the Akal Takhat. These days, the Badal SGPC constructed a huge akhand path building in its place, and put a small board where the Baba Gurbakhsh Singh Gurdwara used to be. I don't know if the board is still there or not since it was just resting there not attached to anything.

raj, are we going to talk about who was there, who was in front, who took bullets, again?? How productive is it to sow seeds of doubt on each other? Why don't you come out and say exactly who you think is an agent. A bullet went right past S. Dhadrianwale and instead hit his driver in the arm who was next to him. Is that sufficient to prove he's not an agent, or does the man have to die, too? They definitely did not send the naujwans forward to take bullets. They told them to stay put because they saw that the scoundrel police didn't have any non-lethal crowd control methods, they were just going straight for shooting bullets. As S. Dhadrianwale mentioned in the interview (transcript is above, read it please), they would have killed hundreds of Singhs that day without any remorse. So everyone was told to just stay put. Some Singhs still moved forward, which is their choice, I guess, and in no way am I dissing them, but keep in mind, too, that in the Jaito da morcha, Singhs would not move an inch unless their jathedar told them to. Please don't come on the board and start talking trash about the leaders of the morcha. The fact is, we have to show resolve and caution at the same time. These animals have zero regard for Sikhs lives and are just looking for excuses to kill.

If they don't televise it, the very least they can do is just capture it on a digital camera and upload to Youtube.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji begins the Bachittar Natak with the above eulogy to God in the form of a sword. While this provides us with a view to one aspect of God, it also instructs us in the proper use of weapons. In the hands of a saint, and used for good purposes, they are approved. Use in the way the police did, they are accursed. The chant is immediately preceded by this heading: ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਾਲ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਉਸਤਤਿ ॥

Does anybody think to cut down the "quote" text when you're responding to just the few lines that you are responding to? instead of making huge 100-line responses.

Good idea. Don't make an enemy of the average Hindu for no reason whatsoever.

Agreed. Put a quote on there by S. Bhindrawale saying that a Hindu should be a good Hindu, a Muslim a good Mussalman, and Sikh a good Sikh.

Charlatans are Beaten in the Afterworld There was a time when Pirthi Chand was running his own guruship parallel to the Guruship of Guru Arjan Dev Ji. Bhai Gurdas Ji and Baba Budha Ji tried to convince Prithi Chand of his folly, but to no avail. In the end, Bhai Gurdas Ji had to write these verses regarding the false and depraved ones who dare to mimic and challenge the True Guru. Such will also be the state of the likes of Ashutosh: ਨੀਲਾਰੀ ਦੇ ਮਟ ਵਿਚਿ ਪੈ ਗਿਦੜੁ ਰਤਾ । Once a jackal fell into a dyer's vat and got dyed. ਜੰਗਲ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਜਾਇ ਕੈ ਪਾਖੰਡੁ ਕਮਤਾ । Taking advantage of its changed colour, it went into the jungle and started dissembling (the animals there). ਦਰਿ ਸੇਵੈ ਮਿਰਗਾਵਲੀ ਹੋਇ ਬਹੈ ਅਵਤਾ । Sitting arrogantly in its lair, it would frighten the deer into serving it. ਕਰੈ ਹਕੂਮਤਿ ਅਗਲੀ ਕੂੜੈ ਮਦਿ ਮਤਾ । Intoxicated by false pride it started ruling (over the animals) with great pomp. ਬੋਲਣਿ ਪਾਜ ਉਘਾੜਿਆ ਜਿਉ ਮੂਲੀ ਪਤਾ । As eructation indicates the eating of radish leaf, it also got exposed when it (having listened to the howls of other jackals) also started howling. ਤਿਉ ਦਰਗਹਿ ਮੀਣਾ ਮਾਰੀਐ ਕਰਿ ਕੂੜੁ ਕੁਪਤਾ ॥੨॥ Thus, the dissembler out of his own hypocrisis is beaten hollow in the court of the Lord. Vaaran Bhai Gurdas (36) Mahesh Jha (i.e., "Ashutosh") is basically like the jackal above. Surrounded by lackeys, and protected by an elaborate system of ruses, he keeps up the pretense of being some kind of advanced spiritual man. But his kith receive no honour in God's court.

Khalsa's Ire Aroused Guru Gobind Singh Ji was watching the Battle of Bhangani. When an arrow scraped the Master's self, it around the Master's josh. Sikhs have sung the following shabad to remember the incident, and to also note the fact that the Khalsa, once aroused, comes fully into action, enemies beware. ਰਸਾਵਲ ਛੰਦ ॥ RASAAVAL STANZA ਜਬੈ ਬਾਣ ਲਾਗਯੋ ॥ ਤਬੈ ਰੋਸ ਜਾਗਯੋ ॥ When the edge of the arrow touched my body, it kindled my resentment. ਕਰੰ ਲੈ ਕਮਾਣੰ ॥ ਹਨੰ ਬਾਣ ਤਾਣੰ ॥੩੧॥ I took the bow in my hand and aimed and shot the arrow.31. ਸਬੈ ਬੀਰ ਧਾਏ ਸਰੋਘੰ ਚਲਾਏ ॥ All the warriors fled, when a volley of arrow was showered. ਤਬੈ ਤਾਕਿ ਬਾਣੰ ॥ ਹਨਯੋ ਏਕ ਜੁਆਣੰ ॥੩੨॥ Then I aimed the arrow on a warrior and killed him.32. ਹਰੀਚੰਦ ਮਾਰੇ ॥ ਸੁ ਜੋਧਾ ਲਤਾਰੇ ॥ Hari Chand was killed and his brave soldiers were trampled. ਸੁ ਕਾਰੋੜ ਰਾਯੰ ॥ ਵਹੈ ਕਾਲ ਘਾਯੰ ॥੩੩॥ The chief of Kot Lehar was seized by death.33. ਰਣੰ ਤਿਆਗਿ ਭਾਗੇ ॥ ਸਬੈ ਤ੍ਰਾਸ ਪਾਗੇ ॥ The hill-men fled from the battlefield, all were filled with fear. ਭਈ ਜੀਤ ਮੋਰੀ ॥ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਾਲ ਕੇਰੀ ॥੩੪॥ I gained victory through the favour of the Eternal Lord (KAL).34. Bachittar Natak. (Apni Katha)

ਬਿਨਾ ਕੇਸ ਸਸਤ੍ਰੰ ਨਰੰ ਭੇਡ ਜਾਨੋ ਗਹਿ ਕਾਨ ਕਿਤੈ ਲੈ ਸਿਧਾਨੋ (Rehitnama)

Throughout the ages, whenever Sikhs have face difficulties they have refreshed their spirits and reminded themselves of who they are vs. who their enemies are via Gurbani and approved works. Please post tuks here that are relevant to the current situation.

dasnimana, you are right. With mobile camera phones, SMS, multimedia phone service, Youtube, and the Internet, it is much more possible for us to get our side of the story out. Even if we're not able to communicate our message to other communities, at least we can do so with our own.

There's already a thread on this: How To Download Youtube Videos (sikhsangat)

What Bloom said. 5 kakari rehit, don't do bajjar kurehit, love God, Guru, Gurbani and Gurmukhs.

When someone stands with their foot on your throat, you'll naturally feel threatened and fight back. Hindi chauvinists trying to impose their language on all of India naturally results in anti-Hindi feeling. He's not speaking English to riksha drivers. He's speaking English and Punjabi in Chandigarh, not Uttar Pradesh.

Since some people don't know Punjabi, here is a transcript of sorts of one of the videos posted above. The speaker below was an eyewitness at the scene: From the past 10 days, Sant Smaj was saying ban the Ashutosh samagam to prevent problems. Yesterday, 300 Singhs were sent from Gurdwara Parmeshar Duar. There were 2 meetings in Gurdwara Kalgidhar and Jawaddi Kalan. The DSPs assured that the Shoba Yatra of Ashutosh was canceled and banned. In 2003, the Central Govt. had banned Ashutosh from doing samagams in Punjab other than Nurmehal due to anticipated problems. Regardless of this prohibition, the Punjab Govt. allowed it. Many organisations had noted this for many days looking at the posters for the smagam. Even though they said it was banned, we still decided to go there. There were about 15 Mahapurkhs, including Harman Singh, Baljit Singh Daduwal, etc. Dal Khalsa, Federations, KAC, Mohkam Singh. 500-700 Singhs left from the Gurdwara with ardas. At just 100 feet, they started surrounding us. They started hitting with sticks and taking turbans off. We did jaikara and resolved to go forward. Some Singhs were warm because Ashutosh had challenged the honour of the Sikhs. One MLA was saying again and again that he would make the smagam go forth under any condition. We were moving forward in peace reciting the Satnam, then they stopped us again, and threw gas bombs, injured many Singhs. There were 2-3 Singhs in front, 1 was shaheed, maybe more. 11 injured. One Singh who was with Baba Harnam Singh took a big blow on the head. One 60-year old Singh who was with me (S. Dhadrianwale) moved forward and took a bullet in the arm which was going toward S. Dhadrianwale. A "Panthic" government did Ashutosh's smagam along with Harish Bedi, MLA under protection of police for 2 hours while they fired bullets on us, including SSPs. They have a responsibility to make a wall, or use a water cannon, or fire at people's feet, or use rubber bullets. But they just started firing bullets, including with AK-47s. One Singh is injured he might not survive. Bhai Darshan Singh of village Lohara, a poor auto-riksha driver, went with us. When we saw what they were doing, hundreds of Singhs would have been shaheed with what the administration was doing. They desired that Singhs become so afraid they would never rise again. Our leaders recognised this and tried to reduce the ferocity of the Singhs saying that they are going to kill hundreds today, so just sit right here with legs crossed, there is no other solution. Now it's 12 at night, we're here from 11:30 in the morning. Maybe 500-700 bodies. We've given messages to all to take part in this strike. But the administration isn't letting anyone come to Ludhiana. Plan for tomorrow is that Ashutosh's smagam shouldn't take place tomorrow. And that the final sanskar of that Singh should take place on this stage. We're just sitting here instead of going home to give encouragement to the Sangat to come here. Some Federationists. No Jathedars so far. When I came from England, I also said then that Baba Baljit Singh Ji went to jail in relation to the Sirsa matter, 7 Singhs of ours were charged, our tour was stopped. One person had thrown oil on himself and inflamed himself, and they put the murder charge on us. The Sirsa case wasn't finished, and this new one started. Because the Sirsa Sacha Sauda fellow, Bhaniarewala, and Ashutosh.... We're saying from the morning that we're not against any organisation. Hindus have a lot of gurus, from Asa Ram to Parmanand to Ramdev, Brahmdev, Murari Bapu, they come here and do their programs, and we don't object. But if we object, it's to the Sirsa Sacha Sauda fellow, Bhaniarewala, and Ashutosh. Because they are against Hindus too, they say I am Ram, I am Guru Nanak, there is no need for parkash, I am parkash of Guru Granth Sahib. Some organisations are trying to create a situation in Punjab that Hindus hate Sikhs and vice versa. But Hindus don't oppose Sikhs. Yet if someone is speaking against Sihi, and Gurus, then we are opposing them. All this happened with the encouragement of Punjab Govt. even after the ban of 2003. The Singh who was with Baba Harnam Singh is now OK. One more Singh is serious, his bullet was taken out in surgery. The rest of the Sants had some blows from sticks. Some Sikhs have greater injuries, some less. Ashutosh closed his program and left. He said that, but the administration didn't. The way they said they'd ban it but they didn't, it seem to us that they'll say we'll close it, then tomorrow when all the organisations are gone, then they'll start it again.

Thank you very much for this photo of this ਦੁਬਾਜਰੀ shamelessly sitting at the feet of this charlatan. It makes sense why they wanted to protect this con-artist at the expense of shooting the Singhz. It also makes sense why she had air-conditioning specially installed in Darbar Sahib even though all the conservationists have said it will ruin the building. She's used to the AC in the deras she goes to. I heard from someone she supposedly does a lot of simran. OK, whatever. Guru Sahib says saying the name of God all day doesn't matter if your heart isn't pure: ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਿਤ ਕਰਹਿ ਰਸਨਾ ਕਹਿਆ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਜਾਣੀ ॥ They may continually chant, 'Har, Har' with their tongues, but they do not know what they are saying. (Anand Sahib) ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਨਿਤ ਕਪਟੁ ਕਮਾਵਹਿ ਹਿਰਦਾ ਸੁਧੁ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥ One who chants the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, while constantly practicing deception, shall never become pure of heart. p732

I don't know what is being pasted, but, yes, the general idea to keep matters within the panth is valid.

You're right that the difference between Punjab and western countries is that they control immigration with visas. You go through an interview before going to Canada. So how about a Punjabi test before coming to Punjab? Anyway, India is in no sense a "nation". A nation is a group of people with common descent. India is a collection of different nations under one government. It was planned to be a union of states, although the central government keeps taking more and more power, like every other central government.

http://translate.google.com/ German to English translationShow romanization Alleged attack on letters claiming to be Sikh preachers So far around 30 witnesses were questioned about the shooting in the Vienna prayer house, killed a Sikh preacher and the other was seriously injured. Vienna - Four days after the assassination of the two Ravi Dass preacher in a prayer house in Vienna of the Vienna Police investigators have interviewed about 30 witnesses to the shooting, with one dead and about a dozen injured. Currently it is also a purported letter claiming responsibility - a call for other information - according to which the Khalistan Zindabad Force (KZF) assumes responsibility for the attack. The Discount rate is made - even with terrorist means - a unanhängigen for a Sikh state of Khalistan in the area north Indian state of Punjab. Was the addressee of the profession of radio stations in south London borough of South Hall, which is a strong Sikh community is located and where the late 80s and early 90s had come to clashes between various factions of the religious community. Authenticity is verified 01742640 (1spbreit) Sant Niranjan That was in the attack in Vienna seriously injured. He is still on the road to recovery. Picture: EPA "Currently, the system checks whether the call is genuine or whether professors they are free riders," said police spokesman Michael Takacs on Thursday in Vienna. In the Confessor message is called, according Akash Radio is not the appropriate behavior of the Sikh faith, Ravi Dass community. Since the Ravi Dassi despite warnings still being committed "sins" would have, had the attack was inevitable. The seriously injured by shots preacher Sant Niranjan That is, according to Takacs continue on the path to recovery. He is closely guarded in a Vienna hospital. Imposed among the six suspects - all were pre-trial detention - is the man as a suspected main perpetrators, who himself suffered a bullet to the head and temporarily can not be questioned, since it is in artificial deep sleep. Advocate criticizes authorities The criticism appeared on Friday's edition of news magazine "Profil", the British lawyer Lekh Raj Birdy, the fact that Sant Niranjan and Rama killed Anand (Nand) has represented the inaction of the Austrian authorities. In Britain, it had threats against the guru of Ravi Dass given sect, and there "were the threats seriously" and "steps taken to minimize the danger." In Austria, the Austrian authorities were doing, "according to my information absolutely nothing to protect the holy men", the lawyer quoted in an advance notification. (APA)

Good for you. There was a former Tamil Nadu Chief Minister, C N Annadurai, who was non-Hindi speaking. He was opposed to Hindi as national language for India because Indians don't all speak Khari Boli (a dialect which is projected as the "national" Hindi language). He explained it like this: There was a man who had two dogs, a big one and a small one. So he made two flip-up doors, one for the big one and another for the samll one: Someone asked, why 2 doors? Why not just let the small dog go through the big door? In the same way, Annadurai said why have Hindi as a language for communicating among Indians, and English for communicating with the world? If everyone in India is learning English anyway, why bother with burdening them with a third language? English is more advanced than Punjabi in the scientific realm, but Hindi is definitely not ahead of Punjabi in any way. Pity the poor fools who think so and leave their own language behind. Would you leave your mother for your massi? Anybody who wants to learn Hindi can do so with a month of watching Bollywood movies, which are available everywhere.

Well said, we need a balance of bhagti and shakti. Just one or the other turns us into either cowards or butchers.