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In addition, you should think about why the Gutka Sahib is holy. It's not because of the paper, or the ink itself. Other books have equal amount of paper and ink.

It's because the ink is used to write the praises of God.

So, a question for you: Does your Gutka still have the praises of God written in it?

If so, what's the problem?

Think a hundred times before you burn a writing with God's praise written on it.

Whatever sin you think you committed by merely dropping a Gutka, think how much worse it would be if you burnt it.
 

11 hours ago, S1ngh said:

You should do the aggan bhaet and then purchase a new gutka sahib. 

There is simply no reason to do agan bhet (tribute to the fire).

13 hours ago, Guest Komal said:

My gutka sahib's pages got out due to it's broken thread and They fell down...... i have fixed them with the fevicol but i am still very worried as my soul is not agreeing to continue path on the same gutka.  

There are ways of repairing books. (Yeah, I know Gutka Sahib is not a mere book, but I'm just talking about the technology of binding.)

I have no clue why your soul doesn't agree to do path on that Gutka Sahib.

Do you think it has been sullied?

Even if you wrote Gurbani on something that was ritually impure, that would make it pure:

ਤਰ ਤਾਰਿ ਅਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਨੀਐ ਰੇ ਜੈਸੇ ਕਾਗਰਾ ਕਰਤ ਬੀਚਾਰੰ ॥
ਭਗਤਿ ਭਾਗਉਤੁ ਲਿਖੀਐ ਤਿਹ ਊਪਰੇ ਪੂਜੀਐ ਕਰਿ ਨਮਸਕਾਰੰ ॥੨॥

The palmyra palm tree is considered as impure and so are deemed its leaves to be.
But if the Lord's praise be written on it, we worship it and bow before it.

p1293
 

Similarly, Guest Komal, for whatever you think the pages of the Gutka Sahib became "impure" by falling on the ground, it is still pure. Get it out of your head. The very Gurbani you're reciting says so.

This is not to say that you should throw dirt on purpose on a Gutka sahib. It is only to say you shouldn't burn a Gutka for your mistake.

On 2/10/2022 at 4:38 AM, dallysingh101 said:

Well thanks to 5aaban (I think?) who posted those pie charts showing just how many hindu and sakhi sarwaar juts converted to Sikh only in the last 100 years, especially in Doaba and Majha, it sort of explains a lot regarding how poor lumpen segments attachment and understanding of their dharam is over bhangra-paaing proclivities and whatnot. 

1. Beggars can't be choosers.

I'll take what we can get.

I'm actually fine with numbers. 

Yeah, so many of them have no clue what Gurbani says, but as long as they, in their minds, "ਮੰਨ" Guru Granth Sahib ji, that's good enough for me.

Because who am I to say I'm any better than them?

ਹਉ ਅਪਰਾਧੀ ਗੁਨਹਗਾਰ ਹਉ ਬੇਮੁਖ ਮੰਦਾ॥
ਚੋਰੁ ਯਾਰੁ ਜੂਆਰਿ ਹਉ ਪਰ ਘਰਿ ਜੋਹੰਦਾ॥

I am a criminal, a sinner, evil and apostate.
I am a thief, adulterer; gambler who always keeps his eye upon other's household.
Vaar Bhai Gurdas ji 36, Pauri 21
 

2. I'm pleased to be part of a Panth which encouraged people to join it for the love of Guru Nanak ji, instead of being forced to (by various means) like the Abrahamics.

3. If you're in the company of non-practicing Sikhs, they'll generally let you do your thing (Nitnem, Reharas, whatever). It's not like you're asking "Hey, mind if I do Namaz?" Or "I'm fasting for Ramadan".

You're part of the same religion, though they're not strict about it.

4. What the Mullahs do is, first they get you into their religion. Then they indoctrinate the kids into Jihad. Why can't we do the same (indoctrinate into Bhagti, not Jihad)?

On 2/14/2022 at 10:24 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

True. But to hold any military position or many jobs entails lapses of maryada. 

But that's not what he was saying. He was saying that certain among us not only compromised with maryada while working for the new masters, but also

-during off hours, 

-after retiring from service, and

-worst of all, passed on those compromises to following generations as a kind of baseline

The only true baseline for maryada is the maryada of Guru Gobind Singh ji.

On 9/25/2021 at 9:40 AM, shastarSingh said:

That's right.

Even if we think spiritually, gurbani tells us to spread the True Naam in the world.

Guru Amar Das ji set up manji system where accomplished gursikhs were chosen to do parchar of sikhi on non Sikhs.

For some reason, many Sikhs insist "Sikhism isn't a missionary religion".

Leave aside the word "missionary", I think what they mean is you're never supposed to tell anybody about the greatness of Guru Nanak Dev ji.

That's not true. I mean Gurbani says at multiple places Sikhs are supposed to encourage others to recite the Name:

ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸੁਖ ਪਾਵਹੁ ॥

ਆਪਿ ਜਪਹੁ ਅਵਰਹ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵਹੁ ॥

Remember, remember, remember the Name and obtain peace.

Thyself repeat the Name and make others to repeat it.

That's from Sukhmani Sahib, so there's no excuse for not knowing that verse.

On 8/10/2022 at 8:26 AM, californiasardar1 said:

I am pretty sure that the border agents responsible for the mistreatment thought that they were mistreating Muslims.

They might or might not think that. The point is, if they were Muslims, then other Muslims already in the US and their allies would be raising hell, getting word out in media, holding demonstrations, and pursuing legal strategies.

Remember, they did manage to halt and drastically reduce the impact of Trump's Muslim ban through such methods: it ended up being not a general ban but rather just a ban on half a dozen countries already on an Obama watchlist.

The reason the Muslims have allies is because Westerners are always afraid of upsetting the Muslims because everybody knows they'll go crazy.

On 8/10/2022 at 8:53 AM, Jacfsing2 said:

Oddly enough, when people from Sikh backgrounds do stuff, our enemies benefit from that more than if others starting being against Sikhs. 

That's normal procedure. That's why the government had KS Brar lead the attack on Darbar Sahib as well as other Sikh officers. And KPS Gill later.

On 8/8/2022 at 12:55 PM, ChardikalaUK said:

They're economic migrants, apne sadly do play the asylum card.

Yes, they are. But so are 99.99% of the people coming from Central America or the other countries (Pakistan, Bangladesh, and so on). People catch a flight or ocean ship to Colombia, walk through Panama, and up to the US border. Where do they (99% being non-Sikhs) get the money to do this?

Because all those other people are taking advantage of the system, I am not going to through our people under the bus.

And there is simply no reason for cutting  people's hair.

There is no more reason for confiscating turbans than there is for confiscating bras.

16 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

It all seems so desperate and a bit pathetic to me. Are we beggers? 

Yes, we are beggars since the time of the loss of the Sikh Raj. This is the unfortunate reality.

9 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

What kind of life is an illegal going to have abroad? 

Well, pretty good. I mean, the government is handing out work permits.

Because technically, they are not "illegal". That is, the vast majority of people crossing without a visa aren't just jumping the border.

Rather, they are going to a border guard and requesting asylum. Once they do that, a whole host of procedures kick in.

The work permit, but also, you can travel by air on the docs they give you at the border.

What else do you need? 

Once you're in, just marry someone else who came the same way. Your court date is years away, so have a baby, who will be a US Citizen by birth, then it's highly unlikely they would deport you.

As long as you keep your head down and don't commit a felony, they probably will not deport.

11 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

God-damn Trump.

At first I was going to correct you to say that he hasn't been President since January 2021 ... but then I realize that this is another @MisterrSingh head-fake. Nice.

But it just goes to show, it doesn't matter how much these politicians pay lip service to diversity and minorities, and such. Sikhs always seem to get the short end of the stick.

11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

how about lovepreet  (double ironic)

I agree, Lovepreet (somewhat common these days) is hilarious.

Or, were their parents thinking it is ਲਵ-ਪ੍ਰੀਤ, love of Luv, the son of Ram Chander and the founder of the city of Lahore?

10 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I wouldn't use my child to make a haughty cultural argument in order to highlight gorah ignorance.

I get what you're saying.

But:

1) I'm not saying that parents should name their children certain names for the sake of it to shock the goras.

Rather, I think they should pick whatever name they want to pick and not worry about the goras.

2) One reason I think so is I'm tired of other people living free and us cowering.

Screw them!

ਇਉ ਤੀਸਰ ਮਜਹਬ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਉਪਜਿਓ ਪਰਧਾਨਾ॥
In this way, the third religion, Khalsa, was born as presiding. (Bhai Gurdas II)

3) Note that some of the examples I gave are indeed first names.

Somehow or another, goras can turn off the stupidity meter when calling someone "Di ck", but they can't when calling them Hardi k ?

I mean, you could just go with, "Hi, my name's Hard ik, you can call me Dic k"

A former Vice President of the US was Di ck Cheney.

Noone called him Richard.

11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

Singh of the Heartfelt yep scans great...how about lovepreet  (double ironic) Manpreet is bad as we are meant to love Akal Purukh not our Man , I could understand Livleen  not Lovleen     people don't know Punjabi/gurmukhi or sanskrit  meanings and just make a mess creating milgoba hindu sounding names

Wow, Sister, could you please read my post again? I refuse to believe you as a long-time poster have never recited Sukhmani Sahib.

Even old ladies in the village instantly recognize the verse

ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਮਨਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ॥

as being from Sukhmani Sahib.

You have to take the Gurmat meaning of phrases.

If you name your child Gur-Preet, it does not mean your son is "A Guru named Preet". It means "Love of Guru". You wouldn't interpret the phrase the same you would "Gur-Nanak".

Man-Preet does not mean "Love of Mann". It means "Love in mind".

If you seriously think Manpreet means love of mind, what do you think Guru Arjan Dev ji was trying to convey in the verse above?
 

On 8/6/2022 at 9:04 AM, MisterrSingh said:

Har5hit, Hardik, etc. The "Har" aspect is self explanatory and not uncommon, but what's the craic with "5hit" and "dik"?

OK, I figured out what Har5hit means.

The base shows up in Gurbani as ਹਰਖ and ਹਰਸ (harkh and haras).

It means happiness, delight.

ਦਰਸਨ ਪਰਸਨ ਸਰਸਨ ਹਰਸਨ ਰੰਗਿ ਰੰਗੀ ਕਰਤਾਰੀ ਰੇ ॥੧॥

On beholding and touching it, I am sweetened and delighted. It is imbued with creator's love. p404

ਹਰਖੁ ਸੋਗੁ ਸਭੁ ਮੋਹੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥
harakh sog sabh moh gavaia .p122 

Happiness sadness and attachment were all lost.

ਹਰਸ਼ਿਤ would be the adjectival form and simply means happy or delighted. Like ਅਨੰਦ -> ਅਨੰਦਿਤ.

If you want to name your child "Happy" you can use an alternative form such as Harkhit, which would mean the same thing because sh can become kh in Punjabi. (Often not so for Hindi/Sanskrit). There doesn't seem to be a reason for a Punjabi to use a Hindi form, unless they are self-haters.

1 minute ago, proudkaur21 said:

What I mean is the names are so similar like majority of Punjabi have names like gurpreet harpreet harinder. Old school names are barely used. Its just weird to have majority of names sound so similar. The names are not an issue its the fact that literally majority of the names are so similar with no variation

Ok, yeah, because a lot of them are same-ish, people lose appreciation for that, I can see that. Gur-Preet is fine because we're supposed have love of Guru ji.

A lot of other prefix/suffix names are undecipherable because parents just threw together syllables without a thought to the meaning.

There are a lot of non-suffix names available if parents would bother to read Gurbani and other Sikh literature.

Or even ordinary Punjabi words, like ਰੰਗੀਨ (Rungeen, colorful).

On 8/3/2022 at 2:37 PM, Premi5 said:

“The turban is sacred.” At least 64 Sikh men have had their headwear confiscated and discarded by Yuma’s Border Patrol.

On the one hand, I don't know if their asylum claims are valid. (Though 99.99% of everybody else, including Hispanics coming through probably don't have valid claims either. Since it's a free-for-all, why shouldn't Sikhs participate?.)

On the other hand, if the Korans of Muslims were being confiscated, they'd be raising hell.

16 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Names like Arshdeep and Sukhdeep should also be avoided in the west. 

I disagree, bro. Parents should name their children what they would like to, but they don't need to be afraid of "Oh, what will the gore say!"

I mean, gore have names like:

Di-ck (short for Richard, means ਲਿੰਗ in slang)

Randy (short for Randolph, means sexually excited in British slang)

People have last names Koch and Weiner (means pe n is in slang).

Asians have last name Ling (means pe n is in Punjabi).

If they're not ashamed, why should we be ashamed to be named "lamp of the heavens" or "lamp of peace"?

10 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

Sikhs had such beautiful names  Baghel singh, Zorawer singh, Fateh Singh when did this manpreet harpreet came into being? It just shows cultural decadence.

Umm, you surely realize that Man-preet and Har-Preet exist in Gurbani, right?

Here's just one for Har-Preet:
ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਲਗਾਈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਖਾਈ ਭ੍ਰਮੁ ਚੂਕਾ ਆਵਣੁ ਜਾਣੁ ਜੀਉ ॥

He embraces love for God (Har-Preet) and God's Name becomes his helper and his wanderings, comings and going come to an end. p243

If you've ever recited Sukhmani Sahib, you know that Man-Preet is used by Guru Arjan Dev ji:

ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਮਨਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ॥੮॥੧੨॥
p278
(O, Guru) Nanak, He who repeats the Name with love in the mind (Man-Preet).

Baghel and Zorawar are great names, but Manpreet and Harpreet are not signs of decay.

15 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I preferred Punjabi names even prior to the "Preet", "Pal", "Inder", etc., Punjabi etymological movement of the 1960s onward, lol.

Old ones were fine, too. The prefix/suffix names are fine, if parents give a thought to what prefix you are applying. I mean, some of those names have no recognizable meaning, others have no recognizable Gurmat meaning.

15 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's sad that we'll never see young Sikhs with names likes Manmohan, Harbans, etc.

Once these become extinct, some parents will use them again, I think.

When a name becomes too common, you lose all thought of the beautiful meanings of such names, and I think that's what happened with them, they became old and tired:

ਮਨ-ਮਹੋਨ: The One who enchants

ਹਰ-ਬੰਸ: Of the lineage of God

On 8/6/2022 at 9:04 AM, MisterrSingh said:

Har5hit, Hardik, etc. The "Har" aspect is self explanatory and not uncommon, but what's the craic with "5hit" and "dik"?

ਹਾਰਦਿਕ (Haardik) means "from the heart". People commonly use the word in phrases like ਹਾਰਦਿਕ ਸੁਆਗਤ (hearty welcome) or ਹਾਰਦਿਕ ਧੰਨਵਾਦ (hearty thanks).

I don't see anything wrong with that name.

The other, I don't know about. What's the way they spell it in Gurmukhi?

On 5/27/2022 at 4:53 AM, Kau89r8 said:

 

I remember when the Sikh police officer Sandeep was killed in USA few years ago and there were those far-left sjw apne saying gross things after his death since he was a police office (with ongoing blm, race rows in usa) and there was a pic of him next to pic of Sant Ji too..

Just a note for @californiasardar, Sandeep Singh was a cut-beard. Just saying.

On 4/26/2022 at 8:16 PM, SinghPunjabSingh said:

So do you advise that most Sikh men die alone and unmarried due to simple demographic constraints or that if Singhs marry spouses via Anand Karaj and raise their children as Sikhs and as part of the Gurdwara community that it is somehow a crime which we should behead them for?

Wow, that's not even what the Anand Karaj crew is saying. Among other things, the Jathedar has stated that people getting married should:

1. Have names Singh/Kaur. If not, file with the government to change name.

2. Affirm that they believe in 10 Gurus, Guru Granth Sahib ji, and no other religion, as in SRM.

Nowhere is there any mention of kes or not. Why is it that people can't fulfill these simple requirements?