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On 5/25/2020 at 8:46 AM, chatanga1 said:

Add to that what they actually percieve as Sri Akal Purkh. They say that kudrat ie nature is Akal Purkh, even though Mool Mantar clearly says otherwise.

What? Really? 

That's the exact thing the (more radical) missionaries are saying these days! And Sant Dhadrianwale, too.

So, basically, the missionaries are doing nothing more than spouting Radha Swami talking points.

So much for being their claims of trying to save authentic Sikhi from the Sants.

On 2/27/2018 at 5:11 PM, Guest said:

Guru nanak dev ji used to swear and use harsh vocabulary. The sakhi was that he started swearing and scaring the villagers. Ill try finding the sakhi if i can.

"Used to"? If Guru ji did something one time to show the Sikhs something, that does not mean habitual use, as in "used to".

On 9/25/2022 at 2:57 AM, Premi5 said:

A person wrote about the significance of having a basic understanding of religion in the multicultural society of America, "Everyone should have basic knowledge Of all religions, including Sikhism and the 5 K's".

I don't think this is a matter of religion.

The Kirpan is a weapon. I don't think there's anything wrong with having a weapon on a college campus.

The fault here lies with whoever called the police and also the police for trying to arrest someone who is otherwise peaceful but just happens to be armed.

It's also the fault of North Carolina for not legalizing open carry if it's not already legal.

You don't even need to have any license whatsoever to carry a gun in half the states. So what's the problem?

The recommended schedule for Sikhs is to go sleep saying God's name and wake up doing the same:

ਸਉਦੇ ਵਾਹੁ ਵਾਹੁ ਉਚਰਹਿ ਉਠਦੇ ਭੀ ਵਾਹੁ ਕਰੇਨਿ ॥
saudē vāh vāh ucharah uthadē bhī vāh karēn .

Whilst going to sleep they utter Lord's glories and praises and when awake they eulogise Him as well.

ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇ ਮੁਖ ਉਜਲੇ ਜਿ ਨਿਤ ਉਠਿ ਸੰਮਾਲੇਨਿ ॥੧॥
nānak tē mukh ujalē j nit uth sanmālēn .1.
Nanak bright are the faces of those who daily arise early and remember God. p312

You have to sleep the same number of hours anyway. So why not go to sleep early and wake up early? Afterwards, you'll still have the same number of hours to study--there are only 24 hours in a day.

If you say it's the same if you do Amrit Vela first and then go to sleep, it's not: If you do it your way, after you wake up, you won't be worshipping, as commanded above. Instead, you'll head to school or whatever.

We're supposed to worship after waking:

ਗੁਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਜੋ ਸਿਖੁ ਅਖਾਏ ਸੁ ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥
gur satigur kā jō sikh akhāē s bhalakē uth har nām dhiāvai .

He, who calls himself a Sikh of the Great True Guru, should rise early and meditate on God's Name. p305

Meditate after you rise, Gurbani says.

Two more things I'd like to mention:

It is not prohibited to work with or support kings for certain purposes. Our Gurus did this, for example Guru Gobind Singh ji with Bahadur Shah.

Secondly, some (not all) of the people who think they're hot stuff because they are opposing a monarch are the very same ones who will suck up to a President, a Prime Minister, or some pop singer.

So they are hardly principled republicans or egalitarians.

On 9/8/2022 at 12:34 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

There is only one true sovereign.

 

Gurbani warns against the idea of idolizing Kings:

ਏਹਿ ਭੂਪਤਿ ਰਾਜੇ ਨ ਆਖੀਅਹਿ ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਇ ਦੁਖੁ ਹੋਈ ॥
These Lords of earth are not called kings. Through love of other than God, they come to grief.

ਕੀਤਾ ਕਿਆ ਸਾਲਾਹੀਐ ਜਿਸੁ ਜਾਦੇ ਬਿਲਮ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥
Why should man praise the created beings, who make no delay in departing?

ਨਿਹਚਲੁ ਸਚਾ ਏਕੁ ਹੈ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬੂਝੈ ਸੁ ਨਿਹਚਲੁ ਹੋਈ ॥੬॥
Eternal is the True Lord alone. He who understands Him through the Guru, become eternal as well.

p1088
 

On 9/21/2022 at 1:15 PM, Guest Deepti said:

i also wanted to ask the same...as i am a student i mostly stay awake till 3/4 at night...i do simran and then sleep ...does that count as Amritvela ? I have to sleep and then get up or i can do it by staying up late.

It depends on what you're asking. The recommended lifestyle is to go to sleep when dark, wake up early, do Ishnan, do Amrit Vela, and stay awake the rest of the day.

If you can't do that (because of job schedules), then you simply have to make do. When you stay up, you don't generally do Ishnaan, you don't get the same feeling of getting up to worship.

Again, remembering God is always a good thing, never a bad thing. The point is simply that following the recommended lifestyle has benefits.

On 10/30/2017 at 6:46 AM, Singh2017 said:

Eventually with so much naam/bani you can get your mind to such a higher consciousness that you don't even need to sleep anymore. Happens to many mahapurakhs.

Sleep is something that every body needs in order to refresh the physical systems of the body. If you have the power of naam, that can rejuvenate you and you simply don't need to sleep much:

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਸਦਾ ਸਦ ਜਾਗਤ ॥ (Sukhmani Sahib)

But it should be clarified that this is only a very few people. The vast majority of people need a normal amount of sleep (which doesn't have be 8 hours).

On 9/20/2022 at 1:44 PM, S1ngh said:

Working on it singh ji. We don't want it either. 

Thank you for that. What your team is doing is appreciated. This is one of the few pro-Sikh forums out there. Some of them are nothing more than suckups for gore, the "Sikh studies" crowd, or missionaries.

The new skin looks good.

I think that a lot of boards have  setting to ban Unicode characters because some malicious posters use weird Unicode to mess up the board formatting.

I wonder if it would be possible to restrict to Gurmukhi characters.

The only other characters possibly required would be Devnagri (to post occasional Hindu works) and Arabic (to post Bhai Nand Lal ji in the original). Though that would be extremely rare.

On 9/19/2022 at 8:22 AM, dallysingh101 said:

I think a lot of you apnay just like talking shyte for the sake of it, a bit like jananian in the langar hall. 

 

What has this got to do with us? 

Well, there's always a push from some quarter (the deluded sections of us, the Muslims, or the Hindus) to get us into it.

It's good to know what is going on and also to get the message to lurkers to not get involved.

This article talks about the current violence and mentions previous fights between Sikhs and Muslims:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/09/13/leicester-multiculturalism-turns-violent/

"In the late 1990s, there was serious violence between Muslim and Sikh youths in Slough, parts of the Midlands and London. As former Slough MP Fiona Mactaggart later noted, ‘rival gangs of Sikh and Muslim youth were trying to kill each other on our streets’."

(The article is written by a Sikh, Hardeep Singh)

Why is the post I just posted hidden? No bad words, just a quote from Gurbani.

Is it because the new discussion board software flags non-English characters? If so, could you set it so it doesn't flag Gurmukhi characters? @S1ngh

On 9/13/2022 at 10:29 AM, dallysingh101 said:

 

Don't none of our broads 'age well'?

The reason is they stuff their faces with samosas and gulab jamans.

ਫਿਟੁ ਇਵੇਹਾ ਜੀਵਿਆ ਜਿਤੁ ਖਾਇ ਵਧਾਇਆ ਪੇਟੁ ॥

M1, p790

Guru Nanak Dev ji says that the life is accursed in which you eat and grow your belly.

It says it right there in Gurbani, no one wants to listen.

23 hours ago, singhdalbir said:

Do provide it written where. I don't see it Dasam Bani. which Bani in Dasam Bani is it written.

Well, you're right, it's not Gurbani per se.

Kathavachaks say that the current form of Ardas was set up by Bhai Mani Singh ji Shaheed and added to by the Panth as time went on.

14 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

You don't agree with Agan bhet sewa in general?

If you are in favor of agan-bhet generally, could I ask why? To understand the position.

On 8/18/2022 at 9:01 AM, Jacfsing2 said:

You don't agree with Agan bhet sewa in general?

In general, I don't.

And it's not seva. It's a huge sin.

When I said there's no reason to burn the Gutka Sahib, I mean simply there's no reason given in the post.

I didn't come up with this.

The venerable @N30S1NGH was a hard core opponent of burning Gurbani.

Some people in our Panth are on a agan-bhet bender (I'm not talking about posters on the board, I'm talking about the actual institutions mentioned in old threads). 

It is really, really hard for me to understand a reason for burning birs of Guru Sahib or Gutkas in the vast majority of circumstances. If a page is torn, you can fix the tear. If really necessary, you can replace the single page.

After a long time, the sides of pages become worn. But so what? I've done paath from older Gutkas. Why does it become necessary to burn the Gutka?

It's not a car that you're trading in for a new model. 

Unfortunately, the poster Guest Komal doesn't have an account, but I would really like to ask him if he could articulate why exactly, in his mind, he can't do paath from that Gutka Sahib.

I can only assume that the post recommending agan-bhet was sarcastic. If the argument is that if you accidentally touch a Gutka sahib to something unclean (like the floor), and then you should burn it, does that mean the same applies to, say, your father?

If you were helping your father in some way, and accidentally tripped him, would you then conclude you should burn him?

Obviously, you should say sorry. But not getting a new father, for crying out loud.

18 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

That doesn't happen though does it. These people can be in the thing for generations and still have a stronger barn-dancing identity than a dharmic one. 

It's hard for me to dispute that with any specificity. It's maddening that a person can be so near to Guru Nanak ji, and yet so far.

However, I'll still take even a 1% rate of adoption.

The way I see it, non-strict Sikhs are the field from which devout Sikhs can grow. When a non-strict Sikh undergoes a life event that causes him to think about the meaning of life, he turns to Gurbani, and that's a good thing.

By contrast, non-strict Muslims turn to the Koran and become Jihadis.

That's why I'll take the non-strict Sikhs over Muslims, Hindus, etc.

And in that way, on that  point, I agree with 1699 (forgot his username).

Just to clarify, I don't mean to say dropping a Gutka is nothing. It's not.

Proper respect for Gurbani requires being mindful of physical repositories of Gurbani.

1. So, like @MisterrSingh said, do an ardas, do some additional bani, and that should be the end of it.

Whatever feeling you have, say it in ardas:

ਜੀਅ ਕੀ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਹੋਇ ਸੁ ਗੁਰ ਪਹਿ ਅਰਦਾਸਿ ਕਰਿ ॥
Regarding thy mind's woe, make supplication before thy Guru. p519

2. If for whatever reason you think that's not enough, go to a Giani ji and ask him what you should do for contrition.

3. If that's still not enough, present yourself before the Panj Piyare and ask forgiveness. It ends there. The Punj Piyare have the power of Guru ji.

But whatever you do, do not go and burn the Gutka sahib.

In addition, you should think about why the Gutka Sahib is holy. It's not because of the paper, or the ink itself. Other books have equal amount of paper and ink.

It's because the ink is used to write the praises of God.

So, a question for you: Does your Gutka still have the praises of God written in it?

If so, what's the problem?

Think a hundred times before you burn a writing with God's praise written on it.

Whatever sin you think you committed by merely dropping a Gutka, think how much worse it would be if you burnt it.
 

11 hours ago, S1ngh said:

You should do the aggan bhaet and then purchase a new gutka sahib. 

There is simply no reason to do agan bhet (tribute to the fire).

13 hours ago, Guest Komal said:

My gutka sahib's pages got out due to it's broken thread and They fell down...... i have fixed them with the fevicol but i am still very worried as my soul is not agreeing to continue path on the same gutka.  

There are ways of repairing books. (Yeah, I know Gutka Sahib is not a mere book, but I'm just talking about the technology of binding.)

I have no clue why your soul doesn't agree to do path on that Gutka Sahib.

Do you think it has been sullied?

Even if you wrote Gurbani on something that was ritually impure, that would make it pure:

ਤਰ ਤਾਰਿ ਅਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਨੀਐ ਰੇ ਜੈਸੇ ਕਾਗਰਾ ਕਰਤ ਬੀਚਾਰੰ ॥
ਭਗਤਿ ਭਾਗਉਤੁ ਲਿਖੀਐ ਤਿਹ ਊਪਰੇ ਪੂਜੀਐ ਕਰਿ ਨਮਸਕਾਰੰ ॥੨॥

The palmyra palm tree is considered as impure and so are deemed its leaves to be.
But if the Lord's praise be written on it, we worship it and bow before it.

p1293
 

Similarly, Guest Komal, for whatever you think the pages of the Gutka Sahib became "impure" by falling on the ground, it is still pure. Get it out of your head. The very Gurbani you're reciting says so.

This is not to say that you should throw dirt on purpose on a Gutka sahib. It is only to say you shouldn't burn a Gutka for your mistake.