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You have entirely missed the point. And if you realise homosexuality is a manmath behaviour and still feel an impulsion to protect the 'right's' of people to practice this behaviour then your seriously confused. Yes Guru Sahib taught us to treat the human race as one but this has nothing to do with 'human race'. This is a behaviour that is not only out of line with Sikhi, but a hinderemce to salvation. There should be no obligation to protect the 'right's' of people to practice it. Would yoi start protecting the 'rights' of alcoholics to drink more alcohol or encourage/help them in quiting drinking? Our actions MUST be consistent with our parchar. Nanak naam chardi kala, tere bhane sarbat da bhala.

Yes bro I agree with you in the sense that heterosexuality is kaam at the end of the day. But when you take pre-marital sex, adultery and promiscuity out, with a deviation to god, gristi jeaven between husband & wife is what Guru Ji has advocated. Indeed 9 out of 10 of our Guru's lived a married life (other than Guru Har Krishan who passed away aged 8). Yes sex is integral to procreation, but there is much more it than just that. I suggest you read the 4 lavh's read in an Anand Karaj. Bhul chug maaf

I stumbled upon this video. Although they could have done a better job of this, the message is principally sound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kvOBPO-A88

I knew I would get accused of drawing this comparison. But what's wrong with that? All I'm saying is that, according to sikh principles, homosexuality is a sin just like many other practices like rape etc. I'm not in the business of saying which is worse - let's leave that for Dharam Rai to decide. So if we agree it is a sin why endorse such behaviour abd why worry about protecting the right's of people to practice this behaviour? Do you not see the contradiction? I would vehemently argue that anyone is born homosexual. This is a western construct to defend homosuxuality. Akal purakh created us is rehat but we 'choose' to astray from this. Fair enough experiences can shape who you become but Sikhi is about giving your head to Guru JI. I have addressed a few arguments made in favour of homosexuality: Question: homosexuality is not mentioned in SGGSJ, nor did the Guru’s speak if it? Why then is it against Sikh conduct? Answer: That is a flawed argument in support of something which is principally ‘kaam’. There is no mention of paedophila in SGGSJ. Does this make it acceptable? This is a flawd argument to reconcile Sikh principles with 21st century ideology. I’m not sure of this but is even ‘rape’ mentioned in SGGSJ? Question: Scientists say there is a strong genetic link with sexual orientation therefore it is beyond one’s control i.e.it Is not a choice. Answer: The truth is scientists will tell you they have found a genetic link for any sort of human behaviour. There is a genetic link for psychopathic murderer’s and rapists. Does that make their behaviour acceptable? This is like saying psychopathic murderer’s can’t choose to be another way and their actions are not only acceptable but justified in Sikhi. I currently work in psychiatry and we meet people who are antisocial, violent, rude and will do anything to direct attention towards themselves. Their often involved in domestic violence, social misconduct, child abuse, drug addiction etc. They more often than not are diagnosed with personality disorder. Needless to say there is a strong genetic link with personality disorder. Should the law stop punishing them because there is a ‘genetic cause’ for their behaviour? The genetic argument is a lame one to justify homosexuality and that gays have no choice. We don’t let genetics mitigate any other human behaviour, so why should we let it mitigate homosexuality? WJKK. WJKF.

Homosexuality is entirely against Sikh principled and, not surprisingly, condemned by Sri Akal Takht Sahib. What I don't understand is why are we running to protects the 'rights' of homosexuals. If in Sikhi homosexuality is a sin, why should we have any obligation in protecting their 'rights'. Would you protect the 'rights' of a rapist, paedophile or murderer? After all their people too. Homosexuals are here to indulge worldly pleasures. This is maya. A Sikhs job is to tune in to the wold hereafter. A sikh is not interested in such things. Naturally, marriage is between man and wife only since procreation is integral to marriage.

If Sikh's didn't kathal their Sikhi roop, Khalsa empire would be automatic.

Fair point. But giani is nowadays a derogatory term in a broader sense whereas Gurbani has talked about Brahm Giani very highly. I'm just annoyed at the general situation rather than the video guy directly.

That's not the point I'm making. If you listen to the lyrics he's used the term 'Giani' is a derogatory and humiliating way. This is sadly a growing trend.

I don't get the why the new trend is to ridicule giani's. Sure there's a few bad apples but it's sad 'giani' has become such a derogatory term.

A 'Sikh' without kesh is not Sikh. Guru Gobind Singh Ji is explicitly clear about this. 'Rehat bina na Sikh kahave' - Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Without rehat one is not Sikh. I find it absurd non-sikh's are using Sikh matrimonial websites to look for non-sikhs - while pretending to be Sikh all along. This is absurd!

You have underestimated the significance of rehat. Without rehat one can'not even qualify as a Sikh. Guru Gobind Singh Ji made it explicitly clear rehat is required from the very outset. Of course morality, spirituaity and meditation are essential but not having rehat actually exlused you from being a Sikh. 'Rehat bina na sikh kahave' - Guru Gobind Singh Ji in Dasam Granth. Without rehat one cannot call themselves Sikh. It's a strict exclusion criteria. It's no suprise the spirituality/morality argument is mostly used by non-rehat abiding 'Sikhs'

That's a bit silly. I'm not in way endorsing this baba but when will the kaum start paying more respect to our preachers? It's sad that the giani on a wedding is fobbed with a £10 note and nobody thinks twice in paying lafander singers thousands! This is why Sikh parcharaks are behind lafandar parcharaks.

Non of this matters. Caste or not, the truth is the use of such worlds fragments and divides Sikhs. Guru Gobind Singh brought us together as the Khalsa panth. Indeed the adoption of Singh or Kaur was necessary for all. If only we had dropped the use of traditional surnames (as per Guru Ji's vision), this would be such an issue today.

Amritdhari's divorcing does not make this correct. Divorce is a western and Islamic construct. The Anand Karaj brings two souls together eternally. Indeed, Anand means 'eternal' happiness. If there are problems in a sikh marriage, these should be tackled individually. Quick fixes such as divorce have no formal place or recognition in Sikhi.

Amritdhari's divorcing does not make this correct. Divorce is a western and Islamic construct. The Anand Karaj brings two souls together eternally. Indeed, Anand means 'eternal' happiness. If there are problems in a sikh marriage, these should be tackled individually. Quick fixes such as divorce have no formal place or recognition in Sikhi.

Quite honestly she sounds like a rebellious girl who has fabricated and sensationalised her experiences to vent her frustration at Sikhi in general. 'After a brief honeymoon in Majorca — which didn’t go smoothly, given my ignorance of sex — we moved in with his family at Willow Tree Lane.' She sounds like a coconut here... ‘You’re lucky to be alive,’ said the doctor, after I’d been operated on for a ruptured stomach ulcer — which is often caused by stress — and given six pints of blood. ‘Is there anything you’re worrying about that might have triggered this?’ Her story sounds embellished to exaggerate her point. If someone is that unwell with a stomach ulcer stress would be the last thing doctors would think about. '‘You’re lucky to be alive,’ said the doctor, after I’d been operated on for a ruptured stomach ulcer — which is often caused by stress — and given six pints of blood. ‘Is there anything you’re worrying about that might have triggered this?’ '.But my faith in my religion hasn’t wavered [...] I’m divorced, and I’ve vowed that none of my children will ever have an arranged marriage. ' Does she realise there's no such concept as 'divorce' in Sikhi. The contradiction was too big not to point out.