Shaastar
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councillor Kapoor refuses to accept the Sikh Dharmic Identity, will not be able to work for the betterment of local communities around her, thus she is not fit for purpose of her job role. Tories should kick her out of the party replace her with Young Fresh Buzzing Sikh Proffesionals. She should know better than to add incendiary statements and has reflected she has a racist communal bent of mind. The issue Sikhs are trying to highlight was not one religion v another but why were Delhi Sikhs killed by their own Political Administration that ought to be representing them.
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paaji muslmaanah di ekta v gintee han! india ch oh gribhi qabool Paaveh amir graabh ik moht hoqeh turdeh. APneh lokh vich amiri gribi disparity di ghal paijandi. Joh Raigeyah picheh ohneh ageyh vall dekhnaa. Joh Saddeh instituitions hai, ohna nu actively community di sahitah teh involvement dehni chaydi.. on par joh challenges morreh hai.
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its our own fault. We choose to see and think what we feel is right and it can v easily offend. In the West please remember one thing we are a minority within a minority. We must not bracket ourselves further. It will become destructive and counter productive. Theres so much stereotyping in this world that we are the subject of ourselves.Imagine if chitteh saw this laughing their heads off. It is fine to talk about current issues, and i believe some of the young lads be careful. Most of us have done some pretty judgemental stuff in our days. I now have some friends from the Mirpur community who tell me similar issues go on there. The Black community had it too. Talk about it and progress situation hanah.
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My friends father passed away 2002. Times were diff from 1998 to 2002. You would not find Indian Preachers. Folk were into local issues, Groups.
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I had read Bhai Jodh Singhs trans probably around 2003ish off the top of my head. I understood i was reading an incomplete work of 2 volumes. yet i could not find anything i would disagree with. I did not actually get round to reading the remaining sections entirely. But the little i read up on I could not see what the fuss was?? Yet if anyone asks tell me about Charitrokpahakyan what can i say?? Life is there in front of your eyes yourself, whats left thats taboo? Back to my friends father I had two groups i associated with a small circle of religious friends and my nearby punjabi crew..Uncle ji was part of the Local crew who was mainstream and did not belong to any group was trying to encourage insight on Dasam Granth ( he himself used to recite from Dasam Granth collections in addition to his daily Nitnem., Uncle ji wanted youth to discover themselves without forcing opinions). Their view simply was if you read it your eyes will open up..But they did it in such a way where they would not tell you something outright. They wanted you to go try it touch on the topic and see. They did that in general in life. One of the lads that came around was going heavier into expressing love for Dasam Granth. Thats where My friends Father and I exchanged views. I had stated i was not pro. He had said it would be great to share knowledge with each other on all sides. Dasam Granth then was not a Big issue. It was at the back. Some folk were aware of its existance others not. For some it was undiscovered, others it was a no no ( in the particulaar group i spent in) from which i later came out of. I began learning theres a lot more to life than my own small world I had created in my head.
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I had a small circle of friends at the time who did not believe in dasam granth. I had an issue with what i felt was hindu mythology at the same time and developed a barrier. I was unwilling to learn, super content with what I had. Did not live in our thriving SOuthalls surreys Tds to know what the big issue outside Diaspora was. Its only when i was asked by my friends father to become open minded and research after he passed away. Then i went onto Bhai Jodh Singhs trans. Later I heard of Vids of Mahapurkh doing parchaar from Dasam Granth, i slowly started to wwarming up to it. beforre that i was even anti Rag Mala. When Big Boss wants to break you, He can work in strange ways.
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Paaj there are many of us who believe in Guru Granth Sahib ji and Dasam Granth ji Bani too. Yet painfully we are finding folk belittle it. The same bani you would recite every morning. As time is going by, access to internet, it appears the gulf is deeper. In my childhood days late 80s/ 90s we would not have contemplated our own folk would turn on half of their heritage.. But now its surfacing, i ask myself how do we deal with it in fragmented communities scattered across the globe?? The unity is no longer there, groups, sects, and whats left of families is going further inwards. Im not saying tolerate people, but challenge their points. Just 3 days ago i debated some Missionary from delhi, he was fixed on his goal, but when he saw me answering back and questioning him he refused to answer and left. I myself used to doubt Dasam Granth 15 years ago. I cant even remember how or why. I became fixed, until one day My Friends Father sat me down and said son be open minded and research. Then one of my friends lent me Bhai Jodh Singh trans. I could not recall anything that was anti sikh.
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Sikh Girls, Virginity And Sex Before Marriage.
Shaastar replied to harsimran_singh's topic in GUPT FORUM
last dude said it right. Let mum dad find a good girl for you.or as you evolve in your sikhi with sangat, sometimes sangat help. Well really its God working through Sangat. N study hard for now.. But paaji remember this, Follow Your Spirit calling, if it says i wont settle less dont. if the voice inside you says sod it karnai ah jitteh marji hoi then thats upto u. But personally being a Singh and not breaking your rehat you know whats best for u. -
i was impressed by a video i saw of Bhai Kulbir Singh tapoban debating Inder Ghagga. Informative, calm, bullet pointed, Bhai Kulbir Singh won the day. My fear is name calling, can drive resentment further. Yet educated mundeh like above dealt with it effectively. For the paid bandeh fair do their in a diff game.. But whoever recites, or is sincere will themselves realise through piar.
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intolerance of opinion needs to be discouraged. debate diplomatically. We are all learners.
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Missionary Panthpreet To Visit Stockton And Fremont Gurughar
Shaastar replied to Sikhistan's topic in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
dsg sometimes what your facing is nex man coming from outside stirring folk who are already stirred up via harsh realities we face. God tells us stick to the steady boat. We waver.. Its how your dealing with it inside your head thats going to count. There are already crowds with fixed opinions, others open minded, some heartbroken. Maybe we need Uk based Young Speakers in England American based ones in Freemont who can join sangat. accomodate each others opinions with understanding and providing a support base wit knowledge of localised issues. -
Missionary Panthpreet To Visit Stockton And Fremont Gurughar
Shaastar replied to Sikhistan's topic in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
I do not live in a sikh majority area so i do not know how bad it is in your towns. What Ive experienced personally. One of my friends was affected by a tragedy, long story short, his view on religion changed which mirrored Missionary mindset. It reached a point where a Pro Mahapurkh guy turned anti, questioning Why does Big G allow this that?? what is religion? He even put up a Missionary link claiming Hemkunt Sahib had no relevance. At first the passion rose i challenged his points on logic. RAther than quieten, his comeback became clinical. So here i was baffled?? I answred clearly and yet inside he still felt negative?? So i understood logic was not going to take away years of resentment surfacing now. So instead i asked Paaji at this stage we may not agree but your still a friend, and we will continually grow, its not as if your giving up your religion entirely and that we must learn to accept diverse views given our conditioning. He was still defensive, but backed down a little. So every here and there if he had a question i would answer it and encourage self expression without shame and love. Some of the questions he had to start with would question faith itself. But slowly in time his questions ceased! Now he even puts up pro Hemkunt Sahib links, learnt to distinguish between Good Saints and nakli sadhs. -
once i was called to a friend of a friends house where an old Sant was present. at that time i was still early 20s, i had a habit instead of doing a pairi hatt to Sant i would bow half down and do a fateh I didnt think much of it, but now I was surrounded by a family who invited the Mahapurkh, the air went a bit silent. Then my friends friend made a statement "eh mundeh bhai Rama singh deh dost han". At once the room warmed up every1 started cracking up smiling n laughing. The particular Mahapurkh and Bhai Rama Singh were very good friends. Though i met Bhai Rama Singh just a few times, one of my friends was fortunate to have their local association. I learnt something from friends friend. I learnt more about myself years ahead. Dont knock what you dont know. Love n respect one n all the best you can. In the end we leave this all behind. When i saw Bhai Rama Singh in the coffin the strangest thing was though your saying goodbye to a special dude, it was an awsome sight to see. A Beautiful Man dressed in His Spiritual Fathers attire, deep blue and orange, with a Kirpan by his side in peace. When they were alive they crossed group boundaries and freely associated with anyone they chose. You see Singho, all these diffs we have they stay here. These lives are short. Just love. Whatever weakness dubda exists it is so because it is already in our mindds. Nobody can change you unless you let them. Then Each of us are responsible for our own education our own growth our own experience to change our own individiual present conditoning. Life flows ahead in full swing no matter how many camps or groups oppose. Make best of time we have mundiyoh. Because the day when we close eyes will dawn on us. Let us leave this World knowing we did our best to join humanity.
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bro i dont know much about what charitrokpahyan is but this much iv seen, Having encountered the NF BNP c18 then a few pps life teaches me conflict resolution helps where mans mind easily divides off. We must unite wherever we can cutting across boundaries. When i was young i used to ask myself when will this hell end? One of our schoolfriends Pritpal lost his father in an unsolved murder that rumoured to have involved 15 hockey stick weilding Nf bootboys. Will white black unite? They somewhat later did. When the Mirpuris had kick offs with apneh it hurt everytime we heard of innocent folk being hurt ( whatever side). That died down even enemies somewhat became friends. And Now we got this internal crap, that has the potential to turn folk from the same Religion against each other. We have a zumedari to our future kids. Do not let a shia sunni style divide enter even our minds. Whatever goes on in the world just keep our thoughts simple in gurdwara. One Singh I met 15 years ago told me His father does not believe in Dasam Granth nor does he, but his Chacha did. They accepted that each diverse belief will not affect their kinship.
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The question i ask myself is for a community that has been in England from 1950s 63 years on Why do we need Indian Principles from 8000 miles away coming here to preach religion to us?? We are now 3rd 4th generation. We have our own Jathebandis educated and born in UK with a fine balance of East West. We know better how to apply Life skills, Punjabiat, and Spiritual form of SIkhi than anyone else here in this given environment thyan anybody from outside can teach us.
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Missionary Panthpreet To Visit Stockton And Fremont Gurughar
Shaastar replied to Sikhistan's topic in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
Im no1 to preach here, but i just wanted to say we live in a Dark world where beings can become resentful, and with brash Punjabiat nature crap kicks off tendencies kick in. Folk who are easily turned are those who mirror the beliefs of what Missionaries utter. Love does not have a language, it just oozes out. You love your friends community. A Paid employee preacher says his bit n goes away. We are the ones after who with our actions and deeds will carry on without them. Beat the Haters dividers through your wisdom warmth servitude to your way of life which will last a lot longer than any 2 day employee paid from South Asia to do a job. -
disgusting! But on a positive i loved my visit to East Coast Sangats. I believe if the American Sikhs replicate Canadians by sticking in 2 3 key areas to start with it creates a safer environment for Elderly kids n women especially since 9 11. Once Sikh community becomes known for its ideals then slowly branch out and educate.
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given the kick offs inside Some gurdwaras Why dont all Commiittees create a draft resolution to keep clear from controversial issues stick to nam simran, Guru Granth sahib ji, encourage Unity of all Jathas Groups Tribes and creeds as per Ardas recitation. When any speaker breaks the rule take em off stage. Period! Because ultimately all thats gonna happen loud noise, kick off, then speaker realises either hes getting busted or hes gotta start chanting naam to reverse what hes said. Why not just put the rule in black n white? No slagging off groups or beliefs. Just stick to SRM. outside that in your own homes n families do extra whatever. At least then you steer the infighting away.
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it was commonly accepted in the late 80s early 90s that Punjabi boys would date drink dance live the life and still be mah da putt , Punjabi girls were expected to go college come home and pretend she saw nothing. some Kurria were also drank, puffed! Some went gigs, some not, some sensible and religious. Growing up in a lads world, we just thought it was expected a good girl would tolerate, if she did not, she was too western for her own good. Then later we would hear started Punjabi girls dating outside in a particular community. The bottom line is if you put your anakh and honour aside a second. Teenagers want to experiment & push boundaries. The kind of community we come from they cant do that without flana tingrah aunty uncle adding massala about you to screw your and your families name up. Lots of folk are now learning the green grass dream on other side is full a thorns n all. Now your seeing a jump in inter racial relationships even white black.. Now the gulf is widening from just girls to even Punjabi Mundeh going outside too.. I had noted on my Visit to American East Coast back in 1998 they were more chilled out with the Youth, and had greater Unity, more diverse accomodation of Religious, Cultural, funky monai stylee types all chucked in together. When i look back i think that worked better than self policing and judging each other in our insituitions here which can put us on a dangerous course.
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because the word brahmin has been repeated in Media so many times with RSS stereotypes easily conjure up. Ive had the opportunity to grow up in a mixed area. One particular brahmin guy ( who did not even look indian) built a hardman rep. To walk on those streets then you either look over your shoulder before you got an iron rod over your head or you had to build your own rep. Long story short, Brahmin guy taught me a valuable lesson. " DO not stand up for any bloke here by placing your life on the line if they wont stand up themselves, otherwise youl have idiots who will never value you risking the result" .
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Ive grown up in diff phases on the same area wher culture and race first divided communities. Whites Browns Blacks had distrust rivalry animousity that led to some unsolved murders rohit duggal rolan adams ricky reel etc. When it reaches that stage, nature does something, starts undoing a few layers inside. Then early 1990s you start getting white black brown italians all cotching out. Then the Indo Punjabi v Mirpuri kick offs. That dies down, then you get the hah veih meri biradri di vakhri nishani folk turn on each other inside their own communities. Finally families turn on each other. So it doesnt get much worse contrary to the Ardas Line of "Sarbat da bhalla" you read daily. Sometimes we need to take a step back look at what Mahraj was saying. We may not be perfect sikhs, but we have some Golden rules. Sardar Kapur Singhs book Unique Man Khalsa states Karam Naash Dharam Nash Sharam Naash... Our civilisation matured quickly from conflict by the wisdom Of our Grand General. let us now take the lead. If there are mixed marriages, understand the reason behind it, you cant undo years of a persons heart memories feeling like a black sheep of a family. What you can do is introduce parts of Sikhi, Ie Naam SImran, Shoes seva in gurdwara and paat. If girl guy dont wanna know, thats their business. I grew up when Punjabi lads were the cream of mummys pride! daughter was pushed aside like she was a burden. What kurri would want to go through that all over again in marital chapter? Now we have to accept and take responsibility for damage done, and work on limitation and take the lead with little love that we can use.
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upbringing is the key..Ive grown up in an area that at one time barely had 2000 odd sikhs with probably 30 000 pakistanis. Girls and guys dated,the 30% that did not had a form of sikhi via identity, paat simran seva. They were unbreakable. You couldd up the fittest person of the opposite gender when at bus stops at college stands they would be doing paat and going inwards. Whats wrong with society today? we have ease! When you go through hardships, the person next to you does there is universal gratitude and solidarity, the struggles are somewhat inner. Once you got things laid on a plate, or your folks already established the hard work, the back of the mind says koinah tohri mohj maarlah. paat kalu sey! But once your in a difficult situation, you want Mahrajs help, and you stick to thee plan hes give you.
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when i read a page or two from dasam granth ages ago i recall mention of different races creeds faiths folk look diff yet are the same, its just Gods diversity. Good parenting skills universally helps any1.
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Most sikhs by name i know do not practice religion, the cultural are becoming more chilled out.. Like most punjabis, we do not look typically Indian, easily mistaken for Middle eastern or latin. When you constantly get members of the opposite gender approaching you it can easily sway you unless you have a very strong upbringing, or some form of dharam that helps you control the urges.
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love punjabiat and love sikhi. dont matter what caste any1 is. youth these days r becoming close minded. Back in infant school just after the 1984 riots we had a family from the bhappa community in mumbai move on our rd who were directly affected by what happened back home..theey were chased out. not only did this family become focal in the gurdwara seva , rohl recitation in london but the sons and daughter were easily amulgumated with 15 other punjabi lads in our group.In those days if u didnt stick together you got busted by the skinheads.. now you hear of sangats dividing off.. it dont need to be like that. My youth days included Sikhs from various backgrounds. We even had 2 anakhi pathaans from a diff religion who preffered to hang around with indo punjabi sikhs because of who we were and what we stood by.