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Just want to add that I was listening to radio show about protein a few months ago. The english doctor had done research to decide which protein was better - non-meat or meat. The conclusion was there is no difference, contradictory to previous beliefs, in which was "better quality" protein. He based his non-meat research on asian people who are vegetarians but get good protein levels via pulses (mmm, masaar dhal), and milk of course. Of course, meat can have bad side effects. I don't see any evidence that you need to eat meat, except where meat-free options are so poor, i.e. western food cultures. When you have the riches of Indian cuisine, no need to eat to meat. So to answer the question in the title, man is designed to eat meat from thousands of years ago, but he shouldn't and doesn't need to. Funny how other religions allow it though. Puzzling, that one.

Why are there doubts about Bhindranwale? How do people on forums profess to speak knowledgably about him when most were children or unborn when he was around? How much are they prejudiced by their own religious affiliations? Some say he was defending Harminder Sahib, some say he was taking refuge because he was too scared to fight outside, thinking the army would not invade there. I know this is the wrong place for answers, but how can I get historical accounts FROM THE PERIOD? I know the majority will be biassed - heck, I was at barely out of Infants at the time, and I remember thinking even the BBC were a mouth-piece for the Indian government. My dad didn't tell me, because he didn't believe Bhindranwale was a SAINT-soldier. By the way, I do not want to judge the man, I just want to my own quasi-scholastic study of what was a great man, whatever his true motives may have been. Are there any fair biographies? Or even unfair ones? Would rather not touch the latter. Many thanks. Who knows, I may even be able to write a biography myself! :-P P.S. Before nayone uses the T-word, governments the world over have used the label "terrorist" to refer to anyone who actively opposes those in power. This is an outrageous abuse of political language - a terrorist is by the very definition, one who terrorises a population.

Sikhs should be wary about voting for Labour or Conservative on the basis that both of these parties voted to go to war in Iraq. Sikhs do not believe in unjust wars. Never mind the issues of legality, greed, and untruths!! Sorry to be party-political.

Do forgive me, I didn't mean to give the impression of ignorance. Forgive me, but I have edited my post to make myself more clear. I just realised that when I talk abotu body building, I mean building a body rather than training a body, and some people may not appreciate this subtle difference. Obviously you know that body building can lead to bad habits. Done naturally, and complemented with other trianing methods, weight trianing is excellent. In fact, I recommended it to my dad who is retiring...after a medical examination of course. :-)

I feel that you are way off the mark on this one, trying to disuade the two. Firstly please read the evidence I wrote in the following thread: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=35902&hl= Perhaps for you Bodybuilding that is promoted by magazines (steroid using and show displays) is what is coming into your mind. However, it is important to realise that is not the norm. For normal healthy people, physiotherapeutic exercise or general exercise is a must for optimum health and living. Weight-training is a means to meet that goal. Additionally, A LOT of youth would be much better off in the gyms than on the streets. With appropriate mentors and leaders within the community, rather than those who label them as dissidents. If you wish to challenge me on any of the points concerned please do so with consideration I mean no offense in reply to your statement. Regards and Gurfateh Paji, did you actually read my post? I don't think we disagree....What I said was.... Weight training is good if you are preparing for other sports though, or just for general health, but the extremism involved in BODY-BUILDING is going to take you away from chardi-kalla. Everyone has different bodies and I used to weight train because I had always done so ever since I could lift weights and if I stopped for even a few days I felt weak. Now, I prefer aerobic and martial training because that's what makes me feel physically good and healthy. So I don't want to put off anyone doing exercise, be that weight trianing or anything else. But in my experience, BODY BUILDING bad, weight training GOOD. :-)

Hate to sound like a fuddy duddy and I don't want to dissuade someone from doing exercise, but body-building and Sikhi do not mix. It promotes self-adulation, self-worship, and too much ego. Weight training is good if you are preparing for other sports though, or just for general health, but the extremism involved in BODY-BUILDING is going to take you away from chardi-kalla. Havign said that, if you want big muscles rather than healthy muscles, and want to worship your body in the mirror and want others to worship it, body buildign is the way to go.

Sorry, I mised the reports so I woudl like to know WHY Sikhs are being used as models. In particualr, with regard to the "singhni", compelte with khanda, what is the significance of that? Why such the overt Sikh symbolism? In other words, what was the event?

Hmmm, not convinced. Big scary bulls and their tails, and farmer'sdaughters, don't make good analogies for falling for Sikhi. Good effort though. Must try harder.

The answer is ZERO! The bus has finished its route and gone back to the depot already!!! Come on, Jarnail Bhaji, what's the answer?!

I agree with this. But I do think, as far as the popular image is concerned, Bollywood films nearly always have a token Singh who is there for bhangra-based comedy nonsense. Whereas in Veer-Zara, for example, the Sikh woman (adopted grandmother of Pakistani muslim family) and old man in Gurudwara who helped scatter her ashes, were both kind and wise people - the ideal picture of Sikhs.

Don't be so silly. :-) It means the sun will finally fizzle out and engulf, e.g. moon as stated. Which is of course, true, and stars die out every day. I am of scientific mind and I am constantly impressed by our Guru Ji's factual and accurate nature.

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I hope people don't think this is too silly, but you know we all get these fun (or silly) emails askign us to to answer questions on a web page, then we get an answer as to, e.g. our personality, etc. How abotu a Sikhness Calculator. It could ask relevant questions, then come up with an answer (not necessarily a mathematical one) about how Sikh one really is. The point of it would be: 1. Fun. 2. The questions would subliminally imply what beign a good Sikh is all about, e.g. could ask questions such as, "how many Sikh rallies have you been on in past year". How often do you do Sikhi sewa, are you armit-dhari, are you planning to be, etc, etc - there are hundreds of possibilities. Come on, computer bods, get coding!

To be honest, I'm not sure what we can ascertain from Sikhi with regards to animal testing. Also, I am not sure about how much animal testing is about drug companies tryign to get drugs out to market ASAP to maximise profits, as opposed to buildign up potency of drugs by slowly testign on humans first, which I guess would take longer. From a totally non-Sikh view, I suppose you can say it's better to test on animals than humans. That's fair enough. I was just pondering what we shoudl think from a Sikhi view. As for these guys, the fact they chose to be pictured and featured in a billionaires showcase article (I'm assuming htey did otherwise they would ask for their mention or their photos to be removed), shows that they have too much ego, attachment to money, and pride in their wealth. THe person that springs to mind to me is Bill Gates. He is so rich, but also does so much good with his wealth in terms of the most deadly diseases for the poorest people, e.g. AIDS and Malaria in the 3rd world. So good can come from mega wealth accumulation, so not an easy topic to discuss. Which is why I said it's hard to judge these people straight off. Forgive me if they are actually good Sikhs. Not that I am one to judge.

Whilst it is true to say that pharmacutical companies do exploit a lot of people, it is not fair to generalise. In terms of this company or the Singh brothers, we need to ask if they use animal testing. Do they provide any charitable benefits with profits (although it looks like a listed company so not totally in the hands of the Singhs any more), did they or do they give any money to charity from their own pockets from the monetary wealth and income? Hazard a guess, I would say these are not role models for young Sikhs, but certainly for young entrepeneurs!