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  1. I'm sure its working fine Jacfsing2. Its just that nobody has ever quoted anything you've ever said.
  2. A little closer to home: Terry Wogan was married and had children of his own........Jimmy Saville did not. Throughout the world....across all races and creeds....the 'celibate' order has always attracted those with secret/latent homosexual / pervert tendancies who wish to hide under the cloak of 'being devoted to god' lest people find out how they cannot, in real life, maintain a normal healthy sexual relationship with an adult of the opposite sex. Never ever trust a 'celibate' man but more importantly never leave a 'celibate' man alone with your kids.
  3. Love the way Mr Singh has copied the McDonalds AND Burger King trademarks all in one go. Still think he could have added a KFC too it too. Oh wait...........
  4. No, like I said things are now very much out of control. As I said before, we should have killed this bug as soon as it appeared with the 'Murgh Donalds' a few years now. Now, its a unstoppable monster. Its only a matter of time before we get a Morrisinghs and M&S (Marks and Singh):
  5. One of the strangest and most stupidest experience of my life was when, on a visit to Punjab, someone suggested we leave our real life farmhouse on a real life farm with a real life persian wheel where we were sitting on a real life manjha in a real life rural outdoors watching our real life jattian relatives milk the real life buffaloes and instead..............go to a restaurant in a polluted city where they have plastic statue mock-ups of the real thing. In other words, leaving our real life in Punjab in order to visit a place that badly mimics our real life in plastic.
  6. Just wandering......The way you two mix up your Farsis' with your Urdus'.....Does this problem exist in all aspects of your life. I mean when you did your English exam at school did you mistake it for German and did you mistakingly do your French exam in Greek ?
  7. He doesn't. Who said he does ? He's more than happy with it all. Its not him who came on here and said anything about it. That was me. Its me who felt strongly that a bunch of Sikhs on a discussion forum mocking a muslim's religion because some in that community criticised a schoolgirl for eating food prepared by Sikhs, without realising the harsh realities far closer to home. So, rather confused to how you came to the conclusion that the little boy feels strongly about one thing or another or sees any issues No he shouldn't. He's 10 years old. Its illegal for 10 year olds to work andd even more illegal - not to mention immoral - for grown ups to encourage small children to leave school and go work in warehouses. He does. How else do you think he eats when his religion states he can't eat from the hands and from the same plate as someone not like him ? Once again, you seem to be forgetting that it was me who has an issue with that sort of thing...not him. You seem to have it in for this boy. First suggesting he work in sweatshops and now doubting his cooking skills. Do you have a personal issue with this small boy MisterSingh or are you against the religious orders of the Gurdwaras and parcharaks ? You seem to hate this boy with a passion, to the extent that you're even willing to make up extra religious rules and regulations just for him. Gurdwaras and parcharks, in their zeal to follow rituals that man (not Guru ji) made up, force this boy to eat separate from his mother and yet you see fit to crriticise the boy Have a quiet word with yourself MisterSingh. And as for you jkvlondon: You really don't get out much do you girl ? There's Gurdwaras up and down the countrry and all over the world giving Amrit to kids. Indeed, Nirvair Khalsa Jatha have personally been responsible for thousands of UK youngsters between 10 and 13 taking Amrit telling them its the best way to get their dad to stop going to the pub and eating meat. You know so little....and yet you "doubt so much".
  8. Thats nothing......Think about this for one moment and think how it looks to all non-Sikhs: My cousin's young son is 10 years old and became amritdhari this year. He won't eat food if his own mother touches it (because she's not amritdhari) and if he does touch it (eat it) the Gurdwara says he is an apostate (i.e equivelent of a kaffir) and his baptism is revoked. Think about that for one moment : A Child won't/can't eat food touched by his own mother. The same woman from whose belly he came out of just a few years ago. See what I mean now about understanding that there are people out there who can, do and are ready to hate us just as much as they hate the muslims ad for exactly the same reasons. Hate and bigotry are like boomerangs. They will always eventually come back to the person that throws it.
  9. Because moving to Canada from London is like moving from Jalandhar City to a small town in Bihar. You'll get a much bigger house for the price but its only something you should do once you're retired and want to live out the rest of your life in quiet. Its a backward step. And you shouldn't for one moment think I'm saying things are better there overall (as I was just talking about the employment situation) because if you ever visit downtown Vancouver and you see more hopeless homeless destitute junkies than you've ever seen in your life this side of Bombay you quickly begin to see the realities of life in a provincial town cut off from the large cities of the world. So, as you can see, my point was purely about employment and that is something we here in the UK can rectify too if we regain that trouble making fighting spirit and force change. Most people however, can't even be arsed to do a freedom of information request themselves let alone act upon the findings of someone else's request and answers, The point is that we the people in the UK need to
  10. Honestly never heard of him. I lift (plagarise) my comedy directly from Paul 'Singh' Choudhry.
  11. You're obviously from that part of the world because I doubt you will ever find anyone else, ever, share those sentiments of yours. The rest of us see things with different eyes. We look at how 'Indians' came to Kenya and treated the native blacks like dirt. The rest of us fully understand why they would not like you and wanted you out. Anyway, back to the UK. Things started off bad, then they got better, and now - because society's taken its eyes of the ball over the last decade - we've gone full circle and things are bad again. Talk to our grandparents about what things were like when they came in the 1940's and 1950's and they tell you how the Conservatives were OK with us but Labour and particularly the Trade Unions absolutely hated us and wanted us out. It took fighting in the streets by our parents generation (1979 Southall - 1981 Southall, Brixton, Toxteth, Bristol etc) to change things. Nothing ever, in the history of Britain, has changed for the good without 'trouble makers making trouble'. If it wasn't for trouble makers (the suffragettes) even women still wouldn't have the vote today. Thats what we're missing today; trouble makers, and you can blame successive governments for that because they've introduced so much excessive public order legislation its virtually impossible for a traditional trouble maker to exist unless he's willing to lose his job and livelihood, not to mention liberty. So, is the UK racist ? Well, let me give you 2 examples : Ujjal Singh Dosanjh worked in a factory in Coventry. He studied in the evening while working and got good qualifications. Tried to get a better job with his qualifications but was constantly told he wasn't good enough. Could't even get promotion to supervisor level at the factory he worked in. Ujjal Singh Dosanjh said enough is enough, packed his bags and left the UK in order to go to Canada. In Canada he showed employers his UK qualifications, they valued it and they gave him his articles (training contract). A few years later Ujjal Singh Dosanjh got elected as an MP. A few years later Ujjal Singh Dosanjh is given Ministerial responsibility as Canada's Minister of Health. A few years later ujjal Singh Dosanjh gets elected as Governer General of British Columbia, gets re-elected twice and was widely tipped as Canada's next Prime Minister. Had he stayed in England however, it is debatable whether he would ever have reached the dizzy heights of becomng a supervisor in that factory in Coventry. A couple of years ago I made an official request under the Freedom of Information Act regarding recruitment practices at Tfl (Transport for London) and their Management graduate schemes. Bearing in mind the population of London is roughly a 50/50 split between whites and non-whites I asked what percentage of applications came from whites / non-whites and what percentage of the people who were shortlisted to the second stage were white. Their answer was both astonishing and frightening. They say of the applications they received 42% were from 'whites', 46% from 'non-whites' and 12% 'refused to answer' (it is always only white people who 'refuse to answer' because they think they're making a stand against positive discrimination / political correctness etc. They said of the people who passed that first stage and went on to the second stage, 77% were white, 13% were non-white and 10% 'refused to answer' !!!!! Now think about that for one moment. White people, from the very first moment, were 3 times more likely to be shortlisted than the non-white applicant. Everything you ever wanted to know about the UK is right there in the two points above.
  12. jkvlondon, really sorry and disturbed to hear about the rape episode you suffered and don't for one moment wish for you to relive that horrible ordeal by asking you questions about it or expecting you to mention any more about it. What I wish to do is try and articulate that any hate we demonstrate for another religion or race will, in the end, come back and bite us too. There are never any winners with hate and bigotry. For that reason we have to understand that 99% of Muslims who are good, decent hard working people should not have to suffer hatred and violence because of the actions of the 1%. We need to be responsible and understand that words we use are easily turned into physical violence by others. We also need to understand that there are non-Sikhs out there who hold exactly the same bigoted hatred against us for exactly the same misinformed and irrational reason. For example, there have, in the last year or so, been plenty of court cases involving Sikh men who groom young girls and indeed the most horrible and digusting news story of the year so far has been about a Sikh man who repeatly and visciously raped several baby girls: http://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2016/02/19/jailed-wicked-and-dangerous-sexual-predator-who-raped-eight-year-old-girls/ Things need to be looked at rationaly. A group of white men go paint-balling in the woods and its a case of 'young men enjoying the great outdoors doing a great extra-curricular activity'. A group of Pakistani men go paintballing however, and its a 'terrorist training camp' with the police getting involved. A group of white young men going out on the pull on Saturday night trying to get lods of young women to sleep with them and its a case of 'young lads enjoying a traditional weekend night out having a laugh'. A group of Pakistani men do the same and its a 'grooming gang'. Everything should always be looked at with educated and rational eyes. Thats the Sikh way. The wider picture should always be understood. Thats the Sikh way. Blind bigotry and hatred of an entire community and joining hands with vile white supremist racist facists ?. That is NOT the Sikh way and the irony here is that we are getting a good indication from this thread as to just how much of an upside down topsy turvy world we live in in that there have been several messages here accusing me of "not being a Sikh" because I don't support a white supremist racist facist party.
  13. It all started with the Murgh Donalds Punjabi restaurant opposite Southall McDonalds a few years ago. We should have nipped it in the bud right there and then for things are now very much out of hand in that there is almost an epidemic at the moment with Singhs up and down the land skirting very very close to the edge when it comes to copywrite. One Singh done it. And now every Singh and his shop is jumping on the bandwagon. It won't be long before sainsbury's lawyers come calling.
  14. Really ? You mean "Europe is destroyed" in the sense that everyone is given free money by the government.....everyone gets 100% free healthcare......everyone gets given a roof over their head.......gun crime at a rate one hundreth of America.....nobody is locked up in jail unless they committ a henious crime. See thats the trouble with ignorant Americans. They take Donald Trump and Fox News as worldwide authorities on the world and so draw their opinions from what those 2 mental cases tell them. Nobody here.....ABSOLUTELY NONE OF US.....has had our lives either ended or made intolerable because of Muslims. None of us here has our home burglarized by Muslims. None of us here has been attacked in the street by Muslims. None of us here have been raped by Muslims. None of us here have had our jobs taken away from us because of Muslims. And yet here we are....blaming imaginary Muslims for imaginary suffering that we haven't even suffered here at the hands of imaginary villians. That alone is pathetic, but to hug and embrace dirty filthy white racist facists who hate your mum and dad as much as they hate the Muslim is more than just pathetic. It is an absolute disgrace.
  15. The answer to your first question is the fact that Punjab was always, for thousands of years, an integral province of Persia and entirely seperate from anything we would know today as 'India' Punjab was Persia's easternmost state and its most celebrated and richest. The answer to your second question is the fact that Punjabi is the big daddy of 'em all. Nearly a thousand years older than Hindi and 2000 years older than Urdu. Being the ancient language that it is, it has influenced every language in northern India and Pakistan. It is the daddy of them all.
  16. Your penchant for arguing just to make yourself look less useless than you actually are makes you deaf, dumb and blind Dallysingh101. And there is no bigger fool than a man that deliberately closes his eyes and ears and pretends that he just doesn't hear or see. Lets try a second time hoping that you may finally snap out of that ignorant arrogant shell of yours. Its in English, not Swahili. Try reading it this time: The Persian word for crocodile is 'temsah'. The word nihung does however still exist today in those persian languages that resisted Islamification / Arabisation of their language, such as Kurdish and Armenian where it means, as I stated before, a mythical sea monster / creature and let us remember how a person that sees a crocodile for the first time would be well within his rights to see it as a 'sea monster'. However, I think it is entirely plausible for the word 'nihung' to appear in a modern day Persian dictionary, as you state. Plausiblle because of the strange and short-lived shift that occurred in Persian in the decade 1935 to 1945. The Shah of Iran, in 1935, made a public announcement asking scholars and poets to discard modern Persian words rooted in Arabic and revert back to old ancient Persian words. He asked the Iranians to embrace what he called "farsi-e-sareh", or 'pure persian'.Thus a shift started to take place in Persian. Its quite interesting really because we often hear our grandparents say the word 'afsar' when referring to an officer of some description and of course we think it must be a colloqiual Punjabi mispronounciation of the English word 'officer'. However, that is not the case. Given Punjabi's extremely close relationship to Persian, the word actually existed in Punjabi long before any English speaker ever set foot in Punjab. The word 'afsar' comes from the pre-Arabisation Persian word for 'crown', thus afsar signifies a servant of the crown. From Punjabi the word was adopted by the brand new language of Urdu and from Urdu the Shah of Iran, in 1935, re-introduced it into the Persian language by deliberately using it, for the very first time in centuries in Iran, in his passionate speech calling for 'farsi-e-sareh'. And so, in 1935, the Persian word 'afsar' was reintroduced into the Persian language despite the fact that we Punjabis had been using it continously for hundreds of years. By the same token, it is entirely plausible that the word 'nihung' could well have re-entered the Persian language to a small degree in 1935 as part of the persianization process because the current, mass used, farsi word for crocodile is rooted in Arabic : 'tamseh'. As for the ineptitude you displayed with your meaningless hundreds of photographs about Rattray's Regiment: You do realise that when one says the Rattray Sikh Regiment badge is the "origin' of the Sikh symbol" he is NOT saying the Rattray Regiment symbol is the Sikh symbol....don't you ?? I mean you do realise that when a teacher says man's origins lay in apes he is not calling the man an ape....don't you ?
  17. No I'm not misled. Children or adults that draw their conclusions from 'asking one bloke' are misled. I've spent years researching and absorbing knowledge and its the kind of knowledge that deserves alot more respect than an attempt to be trumped by something one solitary bloke told you. The Persian word for crocodile is 'temsah'. The word nihung does however still exist today in those persian languages that resisted Islamification / Arabisation of their language, such as Kurdish and Armenian where it means, as I stated before, a mythical sea monster / creature and let us remember how a person that sees a crocodile for the first time would be well within his rights to see it as a 'sea monster'. However, I think it is entirely plausible for the word 'nihung' to appear in a modern day Persian dictionary, as you state. Plausiblle because of the strange and short-lived shift that occurred in Persian in the decade 1935 to 1945. The Shah of Iran, in 1935, made a public announcement asking scholars and poets to discard modern Persian words rooted in Arabic and revert back to old ancient Persian words. He asked the Iranians to embrace what he called "farsi-e-sareh", or 'pure persian'.Thus a shift started to take place in Persian. Its quite interesting really because we often hear our grandparents say the word 'afsar' when referring to an officer of some description and of course we think it must be a colloqiual Punjabi mispronounciation of the English word 'officer'. However, that is not the case. Given Punjabi's extremely close relationship to Persian, the word actually existed in Punjabi long before any English speaker ever set foot in Punjab. The word 'afsar' comes from the pre-Arabisation Persian word for 'crown', thus afsar signifies a servant of the crown. From Punjabi the word was adopted by the brand new language of Urdu and from Urdu the Shah of Iran, in 1935, re-introduced it into the Persian language by deliberately using it, for the very first time in centuries in Iran, in his passionate speech calling for 'farsi-e-sareh'. And so, in 1935, the Persian word 'afsar' was reintroduced into the Persian language despite the fact that we Punjabis had been using it continously for hundreds of years. By the same token, it is entirely plausible that the word 'nihung' could well have re-entered the Persian language to a small degree in 1935 as part of the persianization process because the current, mass used, farsi word for crocodile is rooted in Arabic : 'tamseh'.
  18. The origin of the Khanda symbol as we know it today is the Rattray Regiment of the British Army. However, this is my thoughts on the matter from an historical perspective: Whilst it was never the symbol of the Sikhs during the time of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji I think we have to show enough understanding of Guru ji and the Singhs of that era and appreciate the fact that their (especially Guru ji's) knowledge of pre-Islamic ancient Persian was so vast that it actually put the Persians of that era to shame. Whilst things such as the fact that Guru ji gave his sons Persian names, we Sikhs bypassed the Muslim culture around us and took on Persian words such as 'sardar' for nobleman, Dastar for turban, Dastar Bandi for turban tying ceremony for boys etc all give us clues as to which direction Sikhs looked to for words and culture it is in fact the Sikh word 'Nihung' that gives us the best indication of how the Sikhs were more knowledgable about ancient Persian than the Persians. I use the word 'nihung' as an exaample because the sikh history books continously (aand wrongly) state that the word 'nihung' is Persian for crocodile. This is wrong. The fact is that the word 'nihung' doesn't even exist in Persian. Guru ji, however, was so knowledgable about ancient / pre-Islamic Persian culture he knew that such a word did exist in classical ancient persian thousands of years ago (it meant 'mythical sea creature' in ancient Persian). Thus, we cannot and should not rule out the possibility that Guru ji was also knowledgable about another ancient / long-lost pre-islamic Persian symbol that signified martyrdom (or shaheedi) of the young. That ancient symbol was a tulip with two swords on the sides. In 1979, the Iranians 're-discovered' their ancient symbol and made it their national flag, hence why today the Sikhs and Iran have identical flags but my theory is that it is possible that the Sikhs of our Guru's time knew about that ancient shaheedi symbol long before the modern persians 're-discovered' it.
  19. Lets just analyse what you've just proposed there and see if you're correct about it being the "start of something different". The city people of Punjab....as opposed to the "rural pendus" you're blaming everything on......do the following: Habitually murder their unbon female babies Habitually set fire to their daughter in laws who don't bring in more dowry Habitually practice a Hindu/Sikh hybrid whereby they do pooja to photos and marry Hindus of the same tribe Habitually practice first cousin marriage So, remind us again why you think we'll all be onto something good if we followed the example of the urban folk ?
  20. I agree it is disappointing and also really unfortunate that the existence of that type has now become the norm. And I say that with a very heavy heart because I am now well on my way to becoming amritdhari. Unfortnately, as things stand today, if you would ask the common man in our community what he thinks about amritdharis the answer is always that they are theives, cheaters and fraudsters. The reputation today of amritdharis generally, in our society, is rock bottom and all of us with religious / spiritual convictions have to take collective responsibility for that. In a sense, we've watched with our own eyes the mistakes the Muslim (Pakistani) preachers have made in their community over the last 20 years and instead of learning from those mistakes we're actually so silly we're copying them. They're mistake was that they went for quantity over quality and as such told their young to grow their beards and wear the hijab and do their prayers. Thats all that mattered. They did not teach them that this must come hand in hand with improving one's moral and ethical compass. Today, our parcharaks, especially people like Harjinder Singh and Nirvair Khalsa jatha, are making that exact same mistake with Sikhs resulting in more amritdharis than we've ever had before but very few of them actually being pure of heart. So, like I said, I would be hapier for my food to be prepared by a non-amritdhari that is a genuine, humble moral person than an amritdhari that cheats and lies.
  21. I'd rather eat food prepared by the hands of an honest bandha or budhi that does not cheat or steal than from the hands of many of those 'amritdharis' that think they're insurance fraud, mortgage fraud etc is NOT stealing.
  22. All our governments are dumb too and they're still making "mistake after mistake". I mean lets just look at the way they went after President Assad in Syria. He's an Alawaite so obviously not a real Muslim and so, if our govts had any sense, they would have realised that ths anti-islamic fundamentalist leader is actually on our side. But Isreal calls the shots. Isreal shapes the UK / US foreign policy Just as they would have, if they had aany sense, realised that Saaddam Hussain, as a baathist, was anti-Muslim fundamentalist. But Isreal calls the shots. Isreal shapes the UK / US foreign policy Just as they should right now, realise that the Islamic terrorists hate Shia Iran more than it does anyone else and has been killing them more than anyone else and so Iran is 100% anti-Muslim fundamentalist. But isreal calls the shots. Isreal shapes the UK / US foreign policy Just as in the 70's, 80's and 90's our govts, if they had any sense, would have realised that yasser arafat's PLO was 50% christian arab and 50% hard drinking fun loving muslims and so very anti-Muslim fundamentalist and so on our side. But Isreal calls the shots. Isreal shapes the UK / US foreign policy. A child learns from his or her mistakes. Our governments never do. They go from committing one mistake to committing the same mistake all over again somewhere else. But, the govt is elected by the people and the people get the type of government they deserve. We are all idiots. We're getting the type of governments our idiocy deserves.
  23. The only thing "funny" about it is the fact that we Punjabis are living under the rule of a foreign nation (India) who only assumed power over Punjab because of the lies, untruths and damnright fraudulent promises they made to the Sikhs in 1947. The only thing "funny" is that these poeple that were once sovereign and the regional power have been reduced to a slave like existence by their occupiers (India) whereby the one and only chance for their daughter or son to get a job is by claiming 'protective backward class' status......the one and only chance their son and daughter can get that place in the good schools and colleges is by claiming protective backward class' status.....the one and only chance their son or daughter can get in the police force is by claiming 'protected backwrd class' status......the one and only chance their son or daughter can get a civil service job is to claim 'protected backward class' status. When a status quo such as this exists we find out the true intellectual quality of the observers. Those lacking brain cells see it as an excuse to beat those that wish their children to have jobs rather than an idle life. The intellectually mature meanwhile, recognise that it is imperative that Punjab is freed from that obscene, immoral, unethical, barbaric foreign rule of India.
  24. I've noticed another thing: People generally, on these forums, are pretty dishonest, inconsistence and damnright fraudulent, as we saw on a recent thread that was closed yesterday. The same people that hate 'missionariies' like kala afghana because he wants to cut Guru ji's limb and rightly violently demonstrate and attack him absolutely love and adore men that cut Guru Ji's limbs years ago, as if cutting off an ang of the Guru is just a small insignificant thing that should be overlooked. Then, the next day, these inconsistent men come along to the forum and attack the man that is consistent. Considering how Sikhi is about truth and truthful living, and those who practice dishonesty are pappi, one can't help worry for the souls of those blind.
  25. Given how this is the ultimate warrior's position, ensuring he is forever ready for battle, I can't help wondering why either that side or the other should be enforcing their right-footed (right-handed) ideals as a ritual on left-handers and vice versa ? If one particular knee is enforced as a ritual than one way or another either the left-handers or right-handers are going to be disadvantaged as a warrior which in itself would be making a mockery of being in the warrior's position. In other words, rituals is the key word here. Our Guru, as always, gave us something quite beautiful and profound but man, as usual, has turned it into a ritual. So, lets take our marriage ceremony as an example: Our forefathers left Hinduism because it was a religion full of meaningless rituals. So they left the darkness and came into the light. Since then however, man in the Sikh faith, has added so many rituals that the Sikh wedding ceremony, and other aspects, has more rituals involved than the Hinduism one our forefathers left behind because of too many rituals. Indeed, we have reached a stage where a man may well be able to leave Sikhism and join Hinduism and cite his primary reason for doing so the fact that Sikhism is jam-packed with way too many rituals. Man, himself, has created an upside down world.
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