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Did Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji have to write all the individual names of all previous prophets? No!!!! Because he said ALL/EVERYONE/NOT EXCLUDING. Here another poster already did the leg work for you. Surely this argument ends, where guru gobind singh, himself says in the dasam granth, that ALL prophets before him, were all egotistical. Page 139..."all earlier prophets ended themselves in ego. And did not comprehend the supreme purusha, they didnt care for righteous actions." Page 135..."all the great purushas created their own paths." Page 138..."all the earlier incarnations caused only their names to be remembered. They did not strike the tyrants, and did not make them follow the path of dharma."

You don't want me to post the Pankti from Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji, which says Jesus Christ did not follow the instructions of Akal Purakh and became egotistical. Yet you continue to say Jesus believed in Vaheguru. Basically, you are implying Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji is wrong. Is there any Sikhs left in this world that actually believe in Gurbani? I am shocked at how fast Sikhs disregard Gurbani for their own views and views of others, who they hold dear to their hearts.

Then on what basis is Jesus Christ a Sikh of Shabad Guru/Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji/Vaheguru?

Do you believe Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji is the Bani of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji?

Provide some proof and we can discuss. And i won't get into my Baba said stuff. We have Gurbani guiding us on who was Jesus.I am not hating on Jesus. Read my post and tell me where i hate on Jesus, if thats what you think.

The pakandhi sikhs won't condemn this. Don't hold your breath.

1. Pakandhee Baba would apply to me, if i was passing my own beliefs off as Sikhi. OOO look the person who is passing his belief Jesus Christ was a Gurmukh as Sikhi is none other than you. So thank you, you have achieved the status of Pakandhee Baba, Jesus Christ style. No evidence to back up your claim. Just another long winded post that contains no substance. Bully is the person, who tries to push his views on another. I hold no view other than the one given in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji, by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji. One poster has put this information up. So again this title falls on the Pakandhee Baba, Jesus Chris style shoulders. 2. Blind faith, your are the master of blind faith. I believe in the writings of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji. And, if I have blind faith in my Guru, so be it. My Guru does not take me in the wrong direction. What proof do you have Baba ji for your claim Jesus Christ is a Gurmukh? Nothing!!! Keep walking and don't look back, nothing here for you other than the sweet sounds of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji. 3. Sheer lies is made up by the person, who bullies his belief on the sikh sangat forum and when asked for proof, cannot provide anything. Instead, starts to bully others by saying they know nothing about Sikhi. Anyone that follows his Guru; Sri Guru Gobind SIngh Sahib ji, but you, who follows his mind is knowledgeable and spiritual. What drugs you using? 4. The Pakandhee Baba is asking me, if i know what Gurmukh is. What has this world come too. Baba ji show me one place Jesus Christ is praised as a Gurmukh? Instead he is praised by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji as a egotistical prophet sent by God, who got others to praise him, instead of Akal Purakh. So I will tell you what a Gurmukh is not. A egotistical prophet, who is sent by God, but got others to praise himself and not God. Baba ji, now i really want to know what you have been smoking. Maybe when I want to have some fun and pretend I am Jesus Christ, I can put on a play. I will even let you be the director. 5. I think I just did. But there is more. No doubt I have ego, but not more than you. I actually believe Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji. You on the other hand don't even recognize Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji's Bani on this topic. Baba ji, you lost this one too. But I don't complete with people who are more egotistical than me because it just brings be down to a stupid level. Never claimed I am perfect. It does not take a person to be perfect to believe in Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji's Bani. 6. Baba ji, if Sikhi was your breath of life, you would follow your fathers teaching on Jesus Christ. Instead, Pakandhee Baba ji, you want to start your own cult that believes Jesus Christ was a Gurmukh. Faith in Vaheguru means following his Gurbani. You can't even let go of a simple belief of yours. You a BGB=Baba ji Gone Bad. 7.You are not singing Akal Purakhs praises. You are singing your own praises by calling Jesus Christ a Gurmukh. No where in Gurbani does Akal Purakh say Jesus Christ is a Gurmukh. You are not singing Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi Tuhi(Dasam Bani)......but Ma, Ma, Ma, Ma, 8. I told you to leave because you want to start your own cult, but in the disguise of Sikhi. You want to fool other SIkhs and non sikhs to believe the Guru said Jesus Christ is a Gurmukh. This warrants a huge sign for caution for anyone who tries to get in contact with you. So I made a huge show on here for others to see your true intentions. Yes, shame on me Pakandhee Baba ji for exposing you. I'm go lock myself in my room and really think about what I said to you. I really need a time out.

You can't back this belief up and yet you degrade Shabad and Naam Simran to your lowly status of calling Jesus Christ a Gurmukh. These long winded post of yours provide nothing to the sangat other than confusions and a trail of lies connecting your premise. You want to change the Bible and from your post I can tell you want to change Gurbani to fit your beliefs. Definition of Gurmukh is given by Gurbani and not by your standards. Shape up or leave this pure religion we call Sikhi.

Thanks for the links. Third link says this: Becoming a World Heritage SiteTo become a World Heritage Site, a site must be put forward for nomination by its government and demonstrate that it meets one or more of the ten criteria laid down by the UNESCO World Heritage Committee. These criteria are used to assess the Outstanding Universal Value of a site and indentify if the site can be regarded as having made a unique contribution to our shared global heritage. By inscribing a property as a World Heritage Site, the responsibility for preservation and conservation of that site becomes the responsibility of not just the country that holds it, but of the whole world This cannot happen to Sri Harmandir Sahib or any place of the Gurus and Sikhs. I think Sikhs need to get organized and do protest outside UN offices around the world. This is a back door way in for the Indian government to take Sri Harmandir Sahib away from the Sikhs.

essentially you are admitting 1+1=2 for one person and for another it equals 11 and for another it equals 112. Gurbani is not dependent on people like math is not dependent on humans. Both have absolute answers and are born in the absolute. Nor does Gurbani change from person to person. Each person comes to terms with math; 1+1=2. In the same way each person has to let go of their own frame of reference to understand Gurbani. Which clearly you are refusing to do. My little brother, you picked the perfect line to show your contempt toward Gurbani. Why do you continue to force your opinion on Gurbani? The key word in this tuk is contentment. Meaning a person needs to be satisfied with the reality of, all of Gurbani is the truth. You are not satisfied with this because you continue to say a certain portion of Gurbani contains falsehood like in this line; the first word Thaal. In the previous example you misinterpreted Khands to mean continents and said it was a metaphor. Therefore I asked you what is stopping another from saying IK ONKAR is a metaphor, which you give no reply too. This tuk starts off with saying Gurbani is the truth. First please realize this simple fact and then we can continue to do the veechar (contemplate) over the following tuk. I am perfectly satisfied for not know what the Thaal is in this tuk. My mind is content with it because I know I am reading the truth and when Guru Sahib is will to tell me what the Thaal is in this tuk, I will listen to him and bow with humility. What I have noticed thus far from others who are studying Gurbani is the need to make sense of everything according to their intellect and previous teachings. Anything that does not fit into their intellect is either a metaphor or some abstract idea that does not exist or can't be done in real life. If you believe in a all powerful and knowing God, then why the need to doubt his ability or writing? He is perfect and his writing (Gurbani) is perfect as him; there is no difference from Gurbani and Akal Purakh. Ram Rai was excommunicated out of Sikhi because he changed one word from Gurbani. Those who rattle off certain words in Gurbani as ONLY metaphors are doing the same as Ram Rai. Ram Rai did it to please the mind of the Muslims and you are doing it to please your own mind and/or those who consider you as preachers. Leave Gurbani as is and don't change it to your thinking. Guru Sahib through Gurbani teaches us to come and sing his Gurbani as a new born child, who knows and understands nothing. Guru Sahib says let Gurbani fill your heart with love and contentment. The difference between you and me is that I see Gurbani as written and see the examples given. Yet you refuse to see Gurbani as written and only want to see the metaphors that please your mind. The kirpa happens on those who don't change Gurbani to please their mind.

If I own a piece of land and someone wants to make it into a heritage site. I would have to sign off on the idea first. No one can come along and say I want this to be a heritage site, without my permission. In this case the SGPC is in control of Sri Harmandar Sahib. So which one of the SGPC members signed off on to this idea or did they? Don't jump the gun.

Every community goes through this drug problem. Look into migrants of Canada over history and it's in every community. It's one of the ways certain groups of people pull their families out of poverty. This problem cannot be blamed on bad parenting or on the community. The fish rots from the head. Those who live in western countries. Look at the geographic location of immigrants in the country they migrated too. What has the local government built in that area to further the development of immigrant and migrated families children? How many liquor stores have they built or are building in that area? How many community centers can you find in this area and what do they offer? What programs does the schools in these areas compared to the upscale neighborhoods, where it just happens like magic the white people live, have to offer? I met a dutch man and he could relate to what I went through growing up as a kid. I grow up in the 90s and he in the 50s. In the 50s his kind (dutch) were the lower caste people. He went through discrimination in many forms and he made it a mission to excel in life. He genuinely had sympathy for the punjabi community and wanted to see the youth excel. The turban to him was not a sign of fanaticism, put a symbol of struggle. Yet, when you ask a punjabi family, who has become successful in Canada about the turban and they say it's backwards. Not all punjabi youth get into drugs and gangs because their families are in poverty or it's hard to make ends meet, but it also can be because of the racism they face. Starts off as a group of punjabis defending themselves and turns into a gang making money using illegal ways. Strong community network systems need to be available to families, who are migrating from other countries. Currently the Muslim community are facing the same problem and it will continue to grow, if the local government's turn a blind eye to the real problems at hand. Sending in the police with the sirens and lights won't do anything. This only has aggravated the problem in the past and will do the same in the future. Pot belly committee members are only good for eating langar. Leave these washed out uncles out of this issue. They can't fix a light bulb in a Gurdwara.....need to have 6 meetings to even think about doing it.

Gurbani is beyond time. Meaning the lessons and writings tell the truth of the timeless and what is bound in time. Today you are saying the 9 Khands (not continents) are a metaphor. What is stopping another from saying IK ONKAR is a metaphor tomorrow? It is your perception against another. Whatever does not fit into a person's intellect as truth or justifiable, is passed off as metaphor or poetry. What does this say about the person making these judgments on Gurbani? They are unwilling to learn and drop their views on what is and what is not. I learned long time ago, everything in Gurbani is the truth. We need to change to understand this truth. I don't need to call certain lines poetry or metaphors. When Gurbani says even stones will float. It means the stones will float. Does it also mean the stone hearted individuals will be blessed with mercy and be saved? Yes!! My God/Har/Allah is not limited and nor going to write Gurbani teaches the truth and a second later says.....I was just joking about the truth part......I was using metaphors...essentially lying in some spots.....even I can't make stones floats...damn yogis were smoking some really strong stuff that day...don't even ask me how man khands there are....I don't know...... I mixed these metaphors with poetry. Had to make sure the cool cats in the 1970s will have rhymes to bust too.....I sent 10 Gurus to write Gurbani...........can you guess what is only poetry and is the truth.......where's Waldo....peace...God signing out...... Let's not make a mockery of God. Hes a smart guy and even might have more brains than the poetry and metaphor claiming people. Just saying you never know.

Thank you

Bhangra is not part of Sikhi. Sikhi has its own culture.

Narendra modi was given a siropa at Sri Harmandir Sahib as well.

He does not answer to us the people. He can block any case. Sad day in Canadian history. Money and international trade once again has been favored over human life. PM Harper should hang his head low in shame along with his cabinet.

Still no outrageous statement from the secular quasi - religious fanatics. Does this brother not bleed and feel pain in the same manner as the maker of the movie Nanak shah Fakir.

What favor did the Hindus do for the Sikhs after Guru Teg Bahadur Sahib gave his head for the Hindus. That's right the Hindus gave up the whereabouts of Guru Gobind Singh Sahibs sons and they were killed. Yet our all knowing Guru still gave his head knowing what the Hindus would do. Also the Hill Rajas( hindus) fought against Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji. The Guru ssw injustice being done and did not look at what religion they belonged too. Current examples, Sant Jarnail Singh ji helping Hindus out and even built a Mandir for them when other Hindus were killing Sikhs. If Sant ji was here right now, he would give all of you a good whipping for even uttering such shameless words in the name of Sikhi. Thise who want favors should take their dastars off and join ISIS. Sikhi is a dharm of no worldly desires. Your views are borderline fanatic. The innocent will always be protected by Sikhi, no matter what religion they come from or plan to take up.

No Sir! If you had read Sikh history, you would know better. Was Sri Guru Teg Bahadur Sahib ji's Shaheedi in vain for the Hindu nation? We had a lot of issues back then as well. Sikhs don't see us and them when it comes to injustices. Sikhs will not die out because we start helping those in need. Neither will we flourish by helping others in need. This is not a game of win or lose, but a game of following Vaheguru's command (no desire). The sooner Sikhs stop practicing the simrtris and shastars, the faster we Sikhs will get back on track and let Gurbani lead the way.

How many times have we heard the same old boring story of how the western nations would stand up for it's Sikh citizens? Ravinder Jeet Singh Gogi has been beaten, tortured, harassed in every possible way and nothing has been done to help him in anyway. Whenever the topic of a independent state for Sikhs is brought up the secular-quasi religious fanatics always deter Sikhs for even mentioning the idea of having sovereignty. These secular-quasi religious fanatics love to make phone calls to officials when Sikhs speak up for right and freedoms. But, today these same secular-quasi religious fanatics do not even think for the safety of Ravinder Jeet Singh Gogi in there nightmares. When Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji showed how a donkey can be mistaken for a lion. He did not give this example to us for the lions who commit mistakes and try to better themselves. But this was an example to show we have fake Sikhs inserted in our Khalsa Panth to break us down. These secular-quasi religious fanatics are outraged when so called Sikhs on motorcycles protest the disrespectful movie called Nanak Shah Fakir. Where is the outrage, when a US citizen, who happens to be Sikh is violated? I can hear a pin drop. This forum has been infested with fake Sikhs. I am far from perfect and do make mistakes, but let's distinguish from mistakes and deliberate attempts to put the tape around your mouth and tie your hands behind your back. non Sikh heroes like Che Guevara would not even stand to see another group of people be tortured like this. Yet donkeys in lions clothing are being favored here on the forum.

Punjab Police Thrashes Bapu Surat Singh Khalsa’s Son With Metal Chains; Imposes Curfew in LudhianaBY SIKH24 EDITORS / IN PUNJAB, WORLD / APRIL 14, 2015 ASI Richard Maseeh (behind Ravinder Jeet Singh) is seen asking journalists not to take photographs LUDHIANA, Punjab (April 14, 2015)—After imposing a curfew in Ludhiana for two months to crush the growing movement for the rights of Sikh political prisoners, the Ludhiana Police also thrashed the US citizen son of Bapu Surat Singh Khalsa earlier today before his court hearing. Sikh24 has learned that that Ravinder Jeet Singh Gogi was beaten with his metal handcuffs before he was to be presented in the court. Additional Sub-Inspector (ASI) Richard Maseeh of Ludhaina Police who has a track record of torturing jail in-mates was responsible for beating up Ravinder Jeet Singh Gogi just hours before his appearance in Ludhiana court. Ravinder Jeet Singh Gogi is a USA citizen who has been fabricated into some cases and has been detained in police custody since February 26. Ravinder Jeet Singh Gogi’s lawyer Gurjinder Singh Sahni has filed a complaint against the police and has requested a complete medical check-up. He stated that bruises were seen on the neck and back of Ravinder Jeet Singh. He labelled the incident as a pre-planned activity of the police. “The ASI was smoking cigarettes too close to Ravinder Singh. He was asked to not smoke in such close proximity and it is also against the law to smoke in public places,” said Sahni. After this incident, Ravinder Jeet Singh was taken to a private room, where he was beaten up badly. In addition to the beating of Ravinder Jeet Singh Gogi, a journalist was also thrashed. A video has surfaced online in which ASI Richard Maseeh is questioning the journalist why he is taking pictures of Ravinder Jeet Singh. The video is available at this link. This past weekend, a curfew was imposed in Ludhiana for next months, banning any gathering of 5 or additional people. Next court hearing of Ravinder Jeet Singh is scheduled for A http://www.sikh24.com/2015/04/14/punjab-police-thrashes-bapu-surat-singh-khalsas-son-with-metal-chains-imposes-curfew-in-ludhiana/#.VSyORNzF-jU

Do not ever compare me to you. The keski discussion cannot even be compared to this discussion. I fully agree with guruvah assessment of you. A amritdhari marrying an amritdhari is all about spirituality.At one point sant maskeen singh ji did not agree with Gurbani on being ghost. His views changed on many topics. again i have to say i fully agree with guruvah assessment of you. When it comes ro bibian bbeing in punj pyare then Sants advice escapes your mind and now all of a sudden the tat khalsa rehat is what you favor. This shows exactly what you are as guruvah has said.

I second this

LOL....pentra. Nidar really fools the uneducated. We are the Khalsa. Movement is controlled by the Gurbani flowing through the body. After watching Nidar Singh demonstrations on youtube. It is easy to tell he has no smooth transitions and it is all rigid anger filled movements. He stole the art from actual marital arts, but obviously could not copy it. Watch the video of Nidar Singh facing a Singh in India. Nidar gets rocked and then tries to over power the Singh with anger and still couldn't accomplish anything.......mega LOL. Gurbani (Jaap Sahib) teaches contentment, compassion, and patience in fighting, not rigid anger filled movements like fad Nidar Singh. :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: Gotta love their jokes.