MisterrSingh

Those sessions are useful. They're more than useful to be fair. It just depends on the intention and the spirit in which it's all done, as well as ensuring all the other aspects of a religious existence are also tended to. Yeah, we can say, "Goreh or other groups don't pray or undertake lengthy periods of meditation, and they get things done when it's backs against the wall time," which is an understandable sentiment, but honestly the best thing any hue of Sikh can do is Naam Simran. But I understand the cynicism and the doubt when we see absolute jokers and frauds talking the talk but getting destroyed when it's time to walk the walk.

Nasa ‘on verge’ of announcing alien life discovery, claims hacking group Anonymous 'We are on the verge of making one of the most profound and unprecedented discoveries in history', Nasa official quoted as saying. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nasa-alien-life-anonymous-hackers-space-et-hackers-announce-extra-terrestrial-a7807881.html?amp *** Hopefully they aren't referring to some bacteria or fungi, as is the case when something like this is announced. I don't know what to think about this issue. Could this announcement be the long-awaited false alien contact moment that's been mooted by conspiracy theorists for decades? It would be a hell of a cause to unite mankind under one banner I suppose. An external extraterrestrial threat. Suddenly everything else seems miniscule in comparison.

Let them reap the fruits of their hubris. How else will they learn. They have such faith in the state and the official apparatus of daily life, so why not leave them to it. They can build a fort out of their Marxist texts and hope their ideological godfathers are watching over them, lol. It's common knowledge that there's thousands of British born jihadis who've seen action to varying degrees in active war zones in places like Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc. They've held and used firearms, they've picked up some semblance of guerilla and standard warfare training, and they've experienced the lessons and pressures of violent conflict that simply can't be taught or drilled into someone solely through theory. And these most of these guys have returned to their homes in the west after their various adventures. Do people really believe these guys won't pass that knowledge and preparation onto their little ones in preparation for a war their scriptures state is inevitable? Realistically, when push comes to shove they'll steamroller the non-Muslim generations in the west who've only ever seen "action" in Call of Duty and Battlefield on their computers. The working class elements or the traditional hooligan elements of white society will be able to put up a decent fight through sheer force of numbers and a natural aggression that hasn't been completely conditioned out of them. But what chance, as you like to put it, the unassuming middle class office drones in our Sikh (or Punjabi) ranks? What of the passive "rehnsabhai and simran" elements in our community? A jakara and waving around a kirpan before rushing barefoot down the front path into the street isn't going to be enough. Tell you what, I can see why certain Taksalis have had the right idea all these years. I hope they haven't completely succumbed to theological squabbles and infighting.

The wind seems to be blowing towards inevitable widespread street-level violence within the next 30 years. A tonne of people are going to be shocked and possibly debilitated out of fear at how their frail illusions of civility and relative comfort will collapse around their ankles in a few short moments. Things have been bubbling away for too long on many fronts. Unfortunately, it requires a loosening of the valve, that usually keeps a firm lid on these tensions, to allow for a reset of moods and norms in society. Ultimately nobody really wants to be caught up in such turbulent and unruly times, but to hope and pray they won't arrive by living in denial instead of making contingencies for worst-case scenarios is not wise. The middle classes across all races and religions are going to be hit hardest in terms of the mental and emotional turmoil they'll feel at witnessing the events around them, because they're the demographic that have fallen victim to the conditioning and the indoctrination more than anyone else. The upper classes will flee to safety, whilst, as always, the guys and girls at the bottom will bear the brunt and dish it out more than a anyone else. It's great if none of this happens. But I just can't see any other way less, unless there's a cataclysmic event that will silence or distract the population from issues that are currently in the headlines on a daily basis. So many bachchans given by Guru Govind Singh Ji are going to be echoing in our ears when we realise why they established certain edicts for us to follow. They were preparing us, because they didn't want us to suffer.

That's not the way to do it. In this climate you'll end up sending reasonable people into the arms of the very people who need to be combatted. Edit: False Alarm. It wasn't a terrorist. It was a woman who couldn't drive. She mounted the curb; pressed the accelerator instead of the brake (which they seem predisposed to do in these kind of situations; someone should conduct a scientific study to learn why), and injured some people.

From what I can discern, the panic and concern at contemporary immigration is less to do with the immediate threat of terror (although in the short term it's a genuine issue considering everything that's going down in the Middle East at the moment), but more a long term view to the irreversible impact on demographics and social makeup of a country, especially if we take into account the types of migrants that are flocking here. It's very, very easy to get cynical and insular about this whole problem, but I think we mustn't forget that we're also children of immigrants, and somehow it doesn't quite sit right with me if we're shouting, "Send the buggers back!" Equally, these western countries are our homes. We were born and raised here. There's a definite emotional connection to our immediate environment and, if it stretches that far, the long-term success of these lands. Make no mistake, if these lands fall, then so do we. And, yes, ultimately I believe these lands will fall if things continue unabated. That's not being dramatic or hysterical. We won't be able to hole ourselves up in a Gurdwara and tough it out, lol. Unfortunately, you won't get similar sentiments of affection for the prosperity of Europe amongst certain other communities who exist in the uk, even those who, like us, were born in the West. If you don't believe me, there are hundreds of unbiased, unfiltered videos on YouTube that will prove me right. This fundamentally erroneous belief that deep down all people are equal and good in character and intention is demonstrably false. I wish it wasn't false, but there it is. To echo an earlier sentiment, I'm sure our parents or grandparents came to the West in order to make the most of living in a modern, western country with all the associated benefits (not THOSE benefits, lol) of existing in a first world country. I don't want to wake up 30 years into the future, and wonder whether I'm living in Mogadishu or Rawalpindi. Does that make me a bad person? Should I, as a brown person, remain silent on the issue of immigration? Blind hate or anything like that is useless and completely silly. It's negative energy. But there's a way of having these discussions, and they need to be had. I can predict your response, but I'm hoping you'll reply in a manner that originates from a place of wanting to engage in an open-minded and fair discussion. I can't be doing with any communist propaganda, Sukh. Talk it through like a human being, not an ideologue dancing from point to point in order to secure a metaphorical knockout punch.

I admit, biology isn't my strong point. Although I am vaguely aware that some Indian historians poo-poo the idea that Punjabis descend from various European races. Is that commonly accepted, or is that mindset from a fringe who perhaps don't like the idea of us originating from exclusively non-Asian genes?

Dhokla?

If the choice to elect a government is from either the Conservatives or Labour, there is no choice at all. The dog and pony show that is politics is an elaborate farce designed to lend the illusion that we live under democratic rule. Nobody is controlling the borders, at least not whilst there's still a semblance of order in society. Civil war and similar widespread social unrest may change those circumstances. We must understand that controlling immigration is not what they want. It's not part of the plan. Any political party that makes a pledge at election manifesto time to cut immigration and control borders is lying to the electorate. Britain should concern itself with the embedded Islamic hordes within its borders, nevermind those recent hopefuls amassing on the edges.

They don't eat milk, spinach, and wheat in Gujarat?

How did Punjabis gain the traits of being tall and athletic (gabroo, jwaan, etc)? I can't imagine it was a quirk of nature considering the difference between us and other Indian ethnicities such as Gujaratis, Tamils, etc.

I've always felt an affinity for Romani gypsies. It all makes sense now. I've finally found my people. *wipes tears from eyes*

I'll be brief. This will be painful for people like you but I'm beyond caring: ISI enthusiastically watered the seeds of separatism that Sikhs had planted. The Anandpur Resolution and other associated Sikh concerns were certainly borne from our side, but without any concrete support from the Pakistanis (which never originated from some magnanimous desire to emancipate Sikh concerns, but instead were a veiled attempt to further their own neverending war against the Indians), these aims would've remained as vague, undeliverable philosophies. Sikhs in the separatist movement naively took Pakistani support as an agreement between equals. It was not. We were pawns in a game of chess between the Indians and the Pakistanis. Get that through your head. We were never in control. We never dictated terms. Even the potential name of our proposed Sikh homeland was etymologically derived from an Islamic term ffs! And if you struggle to believe these same Pakis would've hesitated to eventually invade and reclaim a potential Sikh homeland had we miraculously wrangled one away from the Indians, you're truly living in cloud cuckoo land. Whoever it was on our side that was in contact with the Pakistani intelligence agencies on a regular basis was given instructions right up until the day of the attack on Harmandir Sahib. Promises were made. "Go on, begin your fight against the Indians. We'll cross the border and provide support when it looks like you'll need it. Trust us." That support never came. We were hung out to dry by our duplicitous Islamic handlers. The b4stard Indians knew those conversations that had been taking place. I wouldn't be surprised if there were ISI-provided satellite phones amongst the debris and bodies of the Singh fighters in the complex that day. What purpose did those knackered Pakistani weapons serve - those same weapons you and your ilk get dewey eyed over - if they ultimately proved to be absolutely worthless? Did you think the Pakistanis sympathised with us because they wanted the Sikh people to flourish and escape the poisonous presence of Hindustan? Get your head out of the sand, and view the situation from a regional and international geo-political perspective. You're swallowing propaganda from a bunch of crusty old Punjabi uncles who are rewriting history to cover their own foolishness, hubris, and fatal naivety. That absolute basic lack of understanding cost the lives of hundreds and thousands of defenceless civilian Sikhs who never asked to be part of a war they never even knew was coming. You invoke the names of our raped sisters and our butchered children as if it gives you some higher moral ground to espouse this bull5hit. If this is the kind of wilful denial that still permeates our mentality, we truly deserve to be wiped out in body and soul. This site is a joke at times. You people are so utterly lost you can't even see what's going on. You'd rather exist in some fantasy land of your own making, instead of confronting nasty and undesirable truths that will ultimately free you from the ignorance and deception that has become second nature as the breaths you take to stay alive. I'd expect at least one of you to at least vaguely hint as to the reality of what's facing us as Sikhs in the next century or so, but in all my years on this forum I can only conclude not one person on here has put in the hard work to be afforded a glimpse of what's to come. How is that even possible when there's so many obvious undercover brahmgyanis on this site? You're welcome to hurtle towards your self destruction with open arms. Some of us aren't content with becoming psychologically and mentally enslaved by anyone, be they whites, Hindus, Muslims, or other Sikhs. Keep waiting for your Messiah. He won't be descending from the heavens to lead you to the promised land. Your hell will be this earth, amongst the ashes of your friends and your loved ones. I'm done with this echo chamber.

So they used us in an attempt to destabilise Punjab, thus strengthening the Pakistani position versus India? And that's viewed as a positive by us? We paid with our blood to further their aims, even though it was dressed up as support for our fledgling revolution. They played us, and we're grateful for their 5hitty AK's.

You can try to rationalise it however you wish, but thankfully it's a choice not a compulsion. If you aren't feeling it, then nobody is forcing you to do anything. How does that affect your personal relationship with God, or even your level of adherence?

When I was growing up, moneh were magnanimous enough to put up their hands and say, "Y'know, I just can't deal with growing kesh and the daily responsibility of tying a dastaar. It's my fault, nobody else. The problem lies within me." At least they were honest back then. Nowadays, as with most things, the desire to subvert perfectly valid norms and practices in the pursuit of discovering the so-called truth that's been kept from society thanks to some vague overarching conspiracy of suppression and deception, means shifting responsibility and blame for the individual's defects onto those very norms and values that were given to us solely for our benefit. Now, these people wish to chip away at the integrity of scripture to find a loophole or flimsily worded justification that will enable, or, best of all, approve of their personal life choices. I've long suspected future generations of Sikhs will graduate to openly disparaging certain Sikh teachings because they struggle to adhere to those values. The Dasam Granth issue was a precursor of what's yet to come. The final issue that will tear apart Sikhs will be the 5Ks / Baisakhi issue, i.e. huge numbers of followers will openly turn their back on the requirement of kesh and the need to take amrit. That's going to be the final nail in the coffin. It will be relegated to a small devout minority of fundamentalists who'll eventually be sidelined as an extreme or orthodox sect. Mainstream Sikhi will be redrawn as a soft, pacifist, Jain-esque faith requiring the minimum of dedication and adherence. That's the plan, believe me. Questioning narratives and beliefs is incredibly important. Sikhs wouldn't exist if one particular individual who emerged in 1469 hadn't questioned the fundamentals of their existence and society in general. Yet, that spirit of discovery is being used to denigrate and undermine the very fabric of our beliefs. It's happening all over the world with all manner of philosophies and systems. "This is too difficult, therefore it must be wrong, because I can't possibly be expected to chisel away at improving myself thereby arriving at a place where I meet these conditions." It's this same attitude that has gradually destroyed the integrity of those things that are conducive to a successful and healthy society. Saying that, the other side of the argument also holds water. It's controversial and not many will want to hear it: it's too easy to appear as a devout Sikh. There's no threshold of quality, or measurement of discerning the content of character behind the external appearance. Literally anyone, even the vilest of humans, can dress up as a Sikh.

They value their livelihoods and their pensions more than the defence of what's true and good. Therefore they will tolerate it all.

Look at the situation in France. The police are reluctant to act. It's so clear to anyone that the police have been ordered to stand down. https://m.youtube.com/watch?&v=7R93qttPmHs The authorities will, one day, stand by and do nothing as these Muslims spread out from their hovels, and take the fight to non-Muslims. You lurking Islamic apologists and cowards best learn how to fight and defend yourselves, your families, and your homes. Your virtue signalling will not shield you from what's to come.

Yes, that's exactly my point. Look at those who are doing the protecting and enabling of these so-called victim classes.

A march against radical islam took place in Manchester yesterday. The media and the press re-branded it as a "Far Right" gathering. A white woman telling a black man - who was a witness to the National Front in the 70's and 80's - that he's a Nazi. Lol.

Why has the above in bold reared its head? What's the logic behind it? I'm frankly quite surprised. The Indian subversion is an open secret, but why are the Islamics getting involved?

That's all well and good, but I get the impression the likes of Robinson either deliberately or inadvertently miss the point when they get together and begin to protest about these issues. Muslims are doing what they're doing because the social and political culture has allowed them to. Whoever sets the tone of society and life in general needs to be the true object of people's ire. It's like being angry at the ventriloquist's dummy for something offensive uttered by the ventriloquist. It doesn't make sense.

Okay, so how has the majesty of the revelation you're espousing manifested itself in your day-to-day life, that someone would look at you and think, "I want some of that!" Currently what you're suggesting is the equivalent of stating, "I don't have much to show for it, but you'll just have to take my word for it, because I've heard from others in the know that it's all brilliant stuff." How has the "message" you apparently believe with such conviction impacted YOU?

Help yourself first. Your ego is out of control, bro. What makes you think you're worth listening to?

The immigrant issue, amazingly, is a distracting sideshow. It's a small albeit more noticeable aspect of the larger issue. What's the larger issue? It's all about economics. I'm as guilty as much as everyone else is of getting drawn into the Left-Right dichotomy; incendiary issues of race, gender, etc., are controversial and easily identifiable talking points, but it's honestly a complete red herring. Understand economics and you'll understand the machinations underway. I'm not really a numbers person, but I'm trying to wrap my head around it all.