MisterrSingh

Never knew it was this bad in India in these modern times. What kind of demented minds would do such a thing? I know what they did to us during the 80's, but these are supposed fellow Hindus. What justification could they possibly offer in defence of such an act? There is none aside from what their scriptures say about the caste system.

Could this horrific event be tied to the rise in Hindu nationalism since Modi's election win, or is that unfair?

Nah bhenji, it's all about the lean mass for me. Extra weight (even excessive muscle) isn't good for the heart the older one gets, plus I have other things I need to devote my time to aside from lifting weights. HIT cardio and a thorough weight-lifting routine are fine for me. Although, that olive oil / fat cell business is quite worrying. Also, is Punjabi dalia better than the standard Scott's Oats in terms of less fat? Any disadvantages to Punjabi dalia or is it better?

In a medium pot, yes, but don't rush it like goreh do on telly. A spoon of whatever oil you're using, then put in the tin of chopped tomatoes, then the various masaleh and coriander, etc. Make sure the concoction is cooked and creamy, not watery. After that, chuck the pasta in, mix it in thoroughly with the sauce, and if you want turn off the heat (to stop the pasta from sticking and turning into kheer, lol) but keep the lid on for 5 mins. Should be done. But if JKV bhenji says olive oil is dodgy I'll try another oil. It's been fine for me all these years, but I'm always up for trying new stuff. Oh aye, I add spinach leaves and slices of mushroom and all that. I meant like a chunk of frozen vegetables; I don't do that, lol. You're missing out, Singh! A bowl of porridge in the morning, a spoon of alsi (ground linseed) mixed in, a bit of weight training, and you'll have a body of steel in 6 months... as long as you keep away from the pizza and chips, lol.

I got greens coming out of my ears, lol, but nuts not so much. I find they have a high fat content, and I've had a slow metabolism since I was a kid, so anything with even naturally occurring fat is rough for me. You can imagine what artificial fats do to me. Training is the only reason I'm lean. Even a great diet and no exercise would result in me being soft around the edges.I add sauted veges to couscous, but not pasta. I like to keep that the old Italian way. But your hulk rice sounds brill. I'm actually going to give that a go on the weekend. A spoon of olive oil or any healthy alternative to bind it together, bhenji. Cook it properly. You don't want the above under-cooked or even raw.

I think the Singh is Canadian. For we all know, maybe their elders are knocking back tins of Bud on park benches.

A tin of chopped tomatoes, salt, pepper, methi, coriander, stirred until it all becomes one lovely mixture are what I do for my pasta. I prepare the pasta the night before, cool it down and refrigerate it, and then the next day when my sauce is done I mix it in. I can't go vegan. Physically, I need milk else I fall ill very quickly. I've tried it and I ended up passing out on a few occasions. It's not ideal but milk works for me. Pushing my luck any further will only do me damage i think. The full fat, blue-top milk is off limits though. I haven't drank that for about 20 years.

Porridge! ;)

You guys should give up eating processed / frozen foods altogether. They aren't good for you, certainly not in the quantities I've observed even Gursikhs shovelling Quorn and Linda McCartney products down their throats. Fresh vegetables, brown rice, wholewheat pasta (within reason) or even the standard Punjabi roti and daal / sabzi is king, minus the excess butter and oil in the latter dishes. That other stuff drags me down physically and mentally. Not cool.

When I heard about Sikhs clamouring to adopt the #SikhLivesMatter hashtag my first thought was, "Don't do it." I'm not joking, but it's considered to be an incredibly naff way of raising awareness of issues. The hashtag "...LivesMatter" has negative connotations, and most people roll their eyes and ignore it because it's a statement that's been run into the ground and holds very little meaning currently. As usual, Sikhs are late to the party and seize upon trends once they've passed from the popular Zeitgeist. Amateurish. If anything, it's been co-opted as a humourous way of mocking such causes. An example: A few weeks ago when there was talk of colonising Mars, there were objections from certain quarters about the possibility of disturbing the natural state of Mars and how it could have serious repercussions on its environment. The hashtag "MartianLivesMatter" began to trend. Others use the co-opted hashtag to poke fun at certain people on various forums and discussion, for example, when Russia started dropping bombs on the Jihadis, the hashtag "#ISISLivesMatter" was coined, lol. I mean, we have to be aware of these things that change from day to day and not jump on bandwagons that were in vogue 6 months ago. But anyway.

Thanks for the heads up. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like that was on the Indian payroll. As the country expands economically and its activities are under further scrutiny due to the power and influence it might potentially wield, I would imagine the need for overseas agents embedded in key western countries' media outlets is a priority for the Indians, not only to smooth over Indian transgressions for the purposes of PR, but also to covertly contribute to its opponents' bad press in the same countries.

The BBC only have themselves to blame. Of course, being the state broadcaster they are limited to a certain extent by the whims of whichever govt is in office, but we can clearly see which side the BBC likes to butter its toast if the Jagmeet Singh video is any indication, and any non-Muslim minority that sticks up for itself is fair game for stick in these types of debates and discussions. The BBC is petrified of being labelled as Islamophobic. The BBC Uncle Tom Network is a prime example, lol. Although they have a HUGE pro-India bias. It's not even masked.

The Independent and The Guardian publish articles from the likes of Hundal which defame and undermine Sikhs. No, I'm afraid when it comes to these issues we have no friends in the media, Left or Right. The Daily Mail is Right-leaning as you correctly say, but the BBC stands on a traditionally light socialist platform AND also partakes in the kind of so-called progressive politics The Guardian espouses, the only difference being the Tories lean on the BBC on occasions when they feel the national broadcaster has veered too far to the Left in editorial policy, whilst The Guardian is... a lost cause, lol. The anti-Israel (therefore pro-Islam) bias of The Guardian is as clear as day. Muslims are the convenient buffer between the Left war with the Right.

The story itself is tragic. The scum who did this need to be brought to account. Don't any of you find it strange how on the day a Sikh highlights on UK television the death of 2 Sikhs at the hands of Indian police, this local level event finds its way onto a UK newspaper's website; a website that is one of the most viewed websites on the internet? It's almost as if to say, "Don't sympathise with these Sikhs bleating about mistreatment at the hands of Indian police. They themselves are vicious." It seems the Daily Mail has contacts in the Indian government or vice versa. Interesting.

Why do Pakistanis support Khalistan? It'll be easier for them to invade it when it's in our hands. That's the gist of the situation. Plus, they like egging us on in order to annoy the Indians. Anyone who believes their support originates from a place of fraternal benevolence is mistaken. Pakistan cares for Pakistan. We fail to see the number of absolutely key, albeit few in number, advantages we have on our side when dealing with India. It's in India's interests to keep us sweet, but they've got us fighting amongst ourselves so that they don't even have to bother with any of that.

That's a start. But then we also have to be aware of the political and social leanings of the likes of Channel 4 which is an ideologically hard-left news source. If Sikhs in the UK are painted as intolerant of, for example, mixed Anand Karaj ceremonies (something that the Left loves to glorify because of obvious reasons) they will be less likely to sympathise with us when we highlight human rights abuses. That's why EVERYTHING we as a community say or do needs to be considered and well-conceived before anything can be seized upon and misrepresented to the public. Even seemingly unrelated issues such as Anand Karaj and the ongoing problems of beadbi in Punjab are linked for us. To think they're unrelated in the grand scheme of things is incredibly naive for us.

Problem is we need to get our voice and our issues heard by non-Sikhs in the western world in order for our side to have an airing. Somehow I don't see retired Mr. and Mrs. Peters from Dorset tuning in to a satellite Sikh TV channel over breakfast on Sunday morning to learn about the hardships we're facing. That's why we need to get smart and learn the rules of their game and play it on their stamping grounds, I.E. the BBC, Sky, etc. When we're granted our couple of minutes of airtime on the national stage, we need to be professional, concise, and smart. No mixed messages, umming and aahing, or being tripped up by the doublespeak of journalists and TV hosts. That doesn't happen by retreating into our shells and preaching to the choir as it were.

With such a relaxed attitude to matters of faith; where the Gods and Goddesses they worship are the equivalent of modern Greeks and Italians paying tribute to Zeus and Jupiter respectively, it's no wonder they have such a laissez-faire attitude to issues of religion. All the more amusing when westerners get misty-eyed in praise them for their spiritual outlook on life when there's such a flexible, barely-there, doctrine for them to follow.

Because the accepted narrative is that the native Sikh community in Punjab are latent agitators, extremists, etc, who have only been subdued due to the "valiant" efforts of the Indian government during the 80's to restore harmony to Punjab. Basically, the feeling is that WE'RE the trouble-makers and any forceful actions taken by the Indians to quell Sikh dissent and protest is wholly justified and reasonable lest we start punching above our weight again. Once we wrap our head around how the other side see us, then we can go about tackling the problems at hand.

Badal's having a laugh for blaming Pakistan. When in doubt, point fingers at the old enemy. Yeah right. Funny how the Pakistanis got involved after the jathedars pardoned Raam Rahim, isn't it? No, it's Badal's men in league with Indian opponents to Sikh causes that are doing the beadbi. They've recruited pendu Indians to do the dirty work whilst some disgusting local leader directs proceedings, who in turn is being directed by a politician or a Badal lackey. Don't believe the bull.

Kudos to anyone willing to raise their head above the parapets, but you're right, he was done up like a kipper. Completely out of touch. We enter such situations thinking it'll be a level playing field, but I seriously doubt our elders are even aware of the things going on in the wider western world. It's through that prism of modern existence which encompasses all facets of life (not just the issue being discussed) that all our experiences and views will be filtered and dessiminated to the general public. Nothing will happen on OUR terms, yet that's exactly what our oblivious spokes-people assume will occur. As Ranjeet Singh said earlier, play the game and cause cognitive dissonance. But you've got to know the rules of the game before the game can be played. Our lot aren't even aware that the game actually exists, lol.

We need to remember we are Sikhs before we're anything else. Brothers. Luckily (or unluckily depending on perspective) I've been spared from this jaat-paat back-and-forth because growing up was a struggle of keeping a roof over my head and wondering when I'd eat my next meal. When everyday is a basic fight to keep one's head above water, issues such as these fade into insignificance. My Jatt heritage did not offer me an advantage in life over non-Jatt's, neither did it spare me from any of the hardships I encountered. I realised quite early on why Guru Sahib made it their priority to abolish such labels. Studying history, our heritage, the roots of our forefathers is essential for knowing who we are and where we're heading. However, revelling in our differences and looking to score points is a mug's game. Let's not be mugs.

I've been guilty of the above, particularly during my youth and up until relatively recently. I found that a genuine effort to feel, understand, and absorb Gurbani helped me to escape that particular mental prison. It's rather liberating.

I hope your kid shone on their debut. The British practically raped India, Jagsaw. The Dutch and to a lesser extent the Portuguese too. I've encountered accounts from non-British historians that have laid bare what occurred under the pretext of trading. When they didn't get what they desired through fair means, the old muskets and gunpowder came out. That's before we even mention the furtive subversion of Sikh theological and societal norms, the affects of which can be felt to this very day. Like I said, mental and physical subjugation. I know you'll make the distinction that we aren't part of India; we are a separate, unique people, etc, that have more in common with our Persian roots than the rest of India, etc, but on a broad nationwide basis it's incorrect to pretend that we, as Punjabis, existed in a void that was safe from British schemes; as if they gave us more than they took from us. You may not prioritise the pain of the average Indian man, woman, and child who suffered at the hands of the British Empire, but many do. That doesn't make me an Indian stooge. It just means I empathise with human suffering for what was ultimately for reasons of vast wealth. More than just issues of assets and tangible things they stripped from India, they robbed generations of the potential to be more than what that country has become. That's the biggest tragedy in my mind. I'm neither a British puppet or a traitor who s**ts on my doorstep (yes, I do consider Britain to be my doorstep considering I have a roof over my head and I'm allowed to practice my faith here uninhibited compared to my supposed "own" country where I'm still classed as a Hindu). But what's right is right. I don't have the long-standing military ties to Britain which you do, but I recognise Britain's role in the current state we find ourselves in, as much as I can recognise India's grubby paws in our fate post-47. If there's something I'm overlooking, then I won't resist the education. Nobody's perfect :)

Those cheeky beggars were selling munitions to both sides before Japan went "Allahu Akbar" on them at Pearl Harbour. War profiteers! Then they arranged for the finest scientific minds in the Third Reich to make their way over to American soil. The narrative they've managed to weave about the land of the Free and the home of the Brave is hilarious, as if the rest of us are living in chains, and the fact the rest of the world has fallen for it is a statement in itself. All empires eventually crumble, the U.S. acts as if its excrement doesn't stink, but its hands are covered in blood as much as anyone else who's ruled vast swathes of the world. They just have incredibly effective P.R.