dallysingh101

He's already posting on another thread.

Thanks for posting that brother. Here we have that word poora coming up again, which another brother queried recently on another thread: I think a better translation of this pangti would be: The creator administers full (or complete) justice. Please, let's not start excusing this demon. You know recently I came across a shocking chariter in CP, that covers some high status bloke trying to use one of his 'advisors' to groom a young boy (which he didn't pull off). In that chariter the predator is described as an animal.

That'd be a really strong selling point. I wonder why no one thought of it before?!

So was M15 purposefully suppressing information too? Margaret Thatcher personally supported one of her MP’s who had an alleged “penchant for small boys”, MI5 files disclosed to a public inquiry reveal. An MI5 lawyer told the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) it was “a matter of regret” that the service considered only the national security implications of allegations of possible child abuse by Peter Morrison, Conservative MP for Chester, and did not pass information to the police. The lawyer said MI5’s review of its files uncovered no evidence to indicate the existence of a Westminster paedophile network and nothing to suggest any attempt to cover up a child abuse ring in parliament. But the witness, who gave evidence anonymously, admitted that memos and a letter from 1986 had discussed claims that Morrison had a “penchant for small boys”, and there was nothing to indicate MI5 passed the information in its possession to police. The inquiry heard that two 1986 memos were written by Eliza Manningham-Buller, who went on to be the director general of MI5 between 2002 and 2007. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/inquiry-child-sexual-abuse-peter-morrison-paedophile-tory-mp-thatcher-mi5-westminster-police-a8818151.html

Well, whichever way it works I don't think Karma works like that. Too many people have gotten away with too much for that. I don't think charity and doing the horrendous stuff he did cancels each other out like that. And the 'charity' itself just seems like strategies to access more prey and obfuscate his personality. I don't think Saville threatened to out anyone. I think it was just a quietly accepted norm in higher british society of the time. Tolerated. These things were considered minor or non-issues. Come on, when you're out there in the real world 'open-secrets' aren't exactly uncommon. I think people knew about him, and a lot more. Thatchers known to have knowledge of certain paedos and still gave them prominent government positions. The high ranked political paedos Ronnie Kray 'associated' with were never charged. One successfully suing a newspaper for defamation. See the below about open secrets.

I think the triggering factors for his 'revelations' are a lot less mysterious. I think he was privy to certain rumours, or open secrets due to his career in the media. He probably picked up more and more snippets of information until he realised he was actually seeing the surface of something much bigger and started looking into that. His outlandishness in the early days might be down to the shock of the shear evil and extent of what he was uncovering.

Yep, and with the harder addictive stuff, it's a business that expands and creates its own markets unlike any other product.

Funny I was thinking something similar too. Maybe his 'lizard people' conception comes from interpreting his experiences from a western mindset, whereas culturally we might conceptualise such 'lizards' as daints or asuras, i.e. in mythological terms, his own cultural doesn't have that scope so he's manifested that force/energy as 'lizard people'???

I thought you were implying that it was the ease of growing green that was central to this phenomena when you said: Thing is, those guys are also dealing with coke, smack and meth.

No I meant it's much wider than just 'green' as in marijuana. I know greed is central to it.

Some good points there. I wonder if the claims that certain areas of Panjab having a higher rate of radiation occurring in the environment is linked to dumping radioactive waste? hmmmmm

Come on, this thing goes much wider than just 'green' Ranjeet.

Well, I think you should read the thread a bit more carefully. There are a couple of people who've aired views barking up certain trees. I'm not saying black people have any 'special reasons', I'm was making the point (to those that seem to require it), that there are often socio-economic and historical factors behind certain behaviours. There is nothing 'special' about it. You can look look at how colonisation has affected other communities like Aboriginal tribes and native Americans too. Communities get beset with all manner of problems usually alcoholism, drugs and criminal issues that they never had previously, subsequent to their 'interactions' with certain other groups who've marginalised them and and attacked their social/political structures. I don't associate with lots of 'ghetto blacks' I did however grow up in a very mixed area and have interacted with lots of different races, although I'm now living in a very brown area compared to other places I've lived in before. As for my musical tastes, they are very varied and include rap and lots of other forms. That all being said, apnay need to be infinitely more conscious and savvy of certain socio-politico factors and how they can potentially impact on our own community.

Well my point was that we've got some of our own who are doing this in certain places, now we all know we aren't all ruthless hard-drug dealing criminals. Not all black folk are murdering, drug dealers criminals either. There might be socio-economic reasons for why so many go down this route in any case. And systemic racism may well play a part in this (amongst other things). I'm under no illusion, I know not all black people are angels, but at least try and understand the things that go on around us in an independent, realistic, truth seeking fashion.

Boy, I hope that wakes up some of those people who've been putting the boot into black people then. Have a look sangato, apnay are doing the same thing. Maybe people need to realise that environment, culture and circumstances can play a big part in such behaviour, and maybe that it isn't down to some innate criminal tendency.

Yes. But don't forget social factors that influenced how their society developed too. These things aren't small. Losing a parent in childhood (in whatever way) is proven to have major implications for the majority of people who experience it. Given what they were facing with the constant violence, moving around and being totally unsettled due to slavery is a BIG factor too. Anyway, you care to try and explain why apnay in certain areas of Canada are doing the exact same thing people are castigating kalay for? I mean the drug dealing and apnay on apnay violence.

I have to post this just to give some much needed perspective to those who (for whatever reason) need it: https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/metros-deadly-gang-war-going-after-a-familiar-cast-plus-new-players Vancouver police Supt. Mike Porteous explained that those linked to the RS were known as the Grewals, the Kangs and the Dhaliwals after leaders of each faction. They had carved up the Lower Mainland into areas where each ran dial-a-dope lines. “They were traditionally at odds with the Sandhu-Sidhu group, which is more of an Abbotsford group,” Porteous said. Those loyal to Jimi Sandhu, who has since been deported to India, and his associate Sandeep Sidhu, were connected to the UN side. Underlings in both groups began battling several years ago on Townline Hill in Abbotsford, leading to assaults, shootings and murders. The violence spilled over into other communities and even to Edmonton, where Sidhu’s brother Navdeep, 24, and Harman Mangat, 22, were shot to death in January 2017. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/gangland-traps-punjabi-kids/articleshow/66114671.cms Police in Canada have stated that 33% of all gang and drug violence in Vancouver is by Punjabis. The Canadian media have released several news reports where the Punjabi community was targeted to show that guns and violence in the community was a major problem. http://dailysikhupdates.com/police-33-gang-violence-drug-crimes-punjabis-canada/ https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/watch-new-targets-video-takes-aim-at-gang-violence-in-surrey/

Whenever we come back to being our own people again globally. The first thing we should do to symbolically announce this to the world is to bring back the true nishaan on every last Gurdwara in the world. I don't know when that time will come, but that will be a powerful statement. More powerful than renaming Calcutta Kolkata, Or Bombay Mumbai etc.

What's interesting is that there was a short period when it wasn't exactly fixed like this, and if you seek, you can find variants e.g. from 1914: You are right, this one looks exactly like a coat of arms, notice how it still retains the dhaal symbol on the flags. Interesting.

You know one thing that strikes me about Japanese culture is their attention to style. They are brilliant at it. They have a natural aesthetic flair. I mean look at their architecture. Swords. How they traditionally dress. Check out those awesome meditation gardens! I would imagine they would see us as scruffy, savage underdeveloped pendus in comparison?

I don't agree with a lot of Icke's more outlandish stuff, but this is interesting: Sikhs should keep aware because it might help explain the establishment's persistent covering up of grooming, that our own community has experienced.

And what did the therapist say to you about that?

Why don't you share your knowledge then?

History is ALWAYS murkier than made out. I'm not saying that there weren't blacks who prospered, or exceptions to the rule, or even sell outs who were given perks for their gaddari but to fail to factor in what I mentioned about the way the ruling society systematically and over a sustained period undermined black masculinity and the family unit seems crazy to me. These types of things have long enduring effects. They actually shape culture. So that might help explain some of the negative things people mentioned above - outside of blacks being inherently criminal and violent? Plus I added a little bit to my last post that you might have missed in edit. I think it was an important point. Probably in line with what you are saying.

I personally don't think so. I think the morals and ethics and humanity of Sikhi were obviously passed down to the Khalsa, but originally the impetus was to remove all the evil corrupt rulers (like certain moghuls and hill rajahs) that were directly attacking Sikhs and Sikh leadership in our Gurus. They wanted to carve out a safe space for the community. I don't think it implied that Singhs go out in the wider world and start trying to right every wrong myself? But if this is the case, we'd better start focusing on looking after each other first, because if we can't do that - how you expect us to help anyone else?