dallysingh101

This geezer be like: "What the f**k you looking at bro!"

I'd be careful, victorian goray's imaginations seems to have gone overdrive in fear of these 'thugees'. Sure, some were probably around, most were probably just plain thieves, not religiously motivated.

That story is a constantly changing one. Just the other day, I read in the paper how the ripper was now considered to be some Polish bloke based on DNA testing. I absolutely LOVE Alan Moore's From Hell (graphic novel on the topic), but as good if not better, are all the notes he made at the end. We'll never really know who the ripper was. Recently I was told about lots of masonic symbology all around the old East End buildings, which starts making the mind go a bit active. As a personal anecdote, I remember as a kid, my older brother telling us younger siblings about this Jack the Ripper who stalked east London and murdered people and had never been caught, and it was scary. What the tw@t failed to tell me was that this was a hundred odd years ago... It's always nice to have another thing to worry about when your a kid outside. ordered to go to the shops in the dark evening to pick something up ..... lol

I only wish. I think some of our people's self-image is so detached from ground level realities these days it seems insane. But we'll work towards it.

If your saying that Sikhs can be bought off so easily, that just points at greed, weakness or helplessness on our communities part. Truth is that we'll always have selfish opportunists, or people who are born into the faith but don't really have any heartfelt affiliation, or investment towards it that would deter them from this type of gaddari. No disrespect to anyone but I think it is a complete cop out to try and shift all the blame on some nefarious, ubiquitous bahmunhs. That just points at a complete breakdown on any faith in your own people - which may well be well founded - but call it what it is.

I'm saying Indians are cowardly in a very bad way. That includes most apnay too from what I can see.

You know what I just discovered. Freshly dried oregano tastes so similar to the Indian herb Ajawein, they must some from the same family of plants. Gonna try growing some ajawein seeds for the sake of it. Mahandulai made me remember I bought some catnip seeds for meow-billy months ago. Now I can't find them. Damn! Cats love getting high on that ish! Another tip: don't get cat-grass. Bought and grew some and the cat was not remotely interested. Prefered the normal grass in the garden to chew on.

That's very perceptive of you. It's this attitude that has given Indians the docile, cowardly, sycophantic reputation they have. Our Gurus went overboard to try and knock this out of SIkhs but you still see this characteristic amongst apnay - even Amritdharis - who are meant to be warriors. It's like we are slowly defaulting to our Hindu ancestry, but under the external roop of Sikhi. And Guru ji even clearly warned us about this by putting a tiger skin on a khota. You got to respect kalaay. Look at how they reacted when one of theirs from E.London got shot under dubious circumstances by the polis. They rapidly set up nationwide riots that had the majority of goray shyting bricks, and made the soors think twice about trying something like that again.

There are clearly elements of cross over from Indic culture in Sikhi. Only a retard would deny this, or someone hardcore brainwashed by the Bhausauria mindset. You just waste your energy getting into these 'debates'. In my opinion the big difference between Sikhi and 'Hinduism' isn't in spiritual practices, but in the social vision of Sikhi, as opposed to Hinduism which is built on rigid caste stratification. Sikhi introduced egalitarianism to the masses. A social vision where one's destiny wasn't tied to perceived caste duties. It isn't even worth pointing this out to Hindus because plenty of our own are actually worse than Hindus when it comes to casteism (and smart Hindus will point that out), and we all know which particular 'jaat' is most obsessed with this in our quom. Forget outside, we got lots of work to do inside. Plus you being a semi-open, or easily identifiable gay, probably gives them a good laugh when you over react to their ish.

This would make me think that I'm mixing with too many id10ts and am having unnecessary convos with them. Keep your faith close to you, and you can't start debating with every last bundha that tries to initiate it. I had a few years when sullay would try and do this, a long while ago. When you let people know that you aren't interested in these types of 'debates' with them, they usually back off. It sounds like you love the attention to me.

Could be naturally higher testosterone levels too?

It's just a really weird position to be in. Getting abused for being a muslim when you're Sikh. Even as a mona, you're like.... Where do I start?

Yeah. I noticed their convos are usually framed in a vulgar predatory way, which they seem to find both a turn on and hilarious.

Absolutely. I guess a lot of groundwork has been done, and yes, a lot of youth today (in the west anyway) are more inclined to critically analyse stuff like this. We as a community are just behind. African-Americans pioneered this sort of textual analysis to combat all the evil racially motivated stuff written about them. Even Arabs got on top with Edward Saeed (even if he is a Christian Arab). Yeah, I guess the ball is rolling and will grow. It's a little more complex than that. It's like even people who've got A Levels in Panjabi would struggle with reading older texts. And to be frank, not everyone has that inclination (ਰੁਚੀ). Sometimes I've wonder if doing this is like the equivalent of some crusty old academic in Oxford studying some obscure antiquated text like Chaucer's Tale. But I guess it isn't, because our stuff relates to a living faith/way of life and could shed light on that - and give clues about how our society might be better. Lack of reading is a big problem amongst Panjabis back home. It just isn't a cultural thing. Like here, you see people reading all the time, on trains/tube/planes, in parks. The thing about Guru ji's intellectual/educational aspect isthat it has never really been brought to the fore before. The focus has always been on Guru ji as a military leader, or spiritual leader and his ethics and bravery. That whole literary aspect of Guru ji has been largely ignored - that's what must change, to balance things out. But even Guru ji recognised that you can be a useless over educated person, when it comes to pressing times as seen in the sakhi of Rai Singh in Chaupa Singh's rehatnama. Forget buying or spending money. These days you get loads of stuff for free on the web! There are umpteen online SIkh libraries (which itself shows how much love certain people have for the panth). The thing with language is that it is a never ending journey like all true learning. When you go into Sikh stuff it's like: Okay I'll learn Gurmukhi to read standard modern Panjabi. Cool, got that nailed, now to learn to read prayers with all the nuances involved there. Cool, let me increase my vocab and read scholarly stuff on Sikhi/Sikh ithihaas. OKay, now I have to get familiar with Brij Bhaha and Khari boli (whatever that is). SO you need to truly love the journey to persist I'm only where I am after decades of effort (on and off). Seriously, like since I was young. And Progress has come in bursts and spurts for me. And I still feel like I've got a long way to go. Anyway check this out by Kulwant Singh, who translated Bhangu's Panth Prakash and Sainapati's Sri Gursobha about translating certain works. It's interesting.

Here's a later important piece by Cynthia that interested people should read too.

Absolutely. Just plain old neurobiological factors will dictate that. But they can definitely be an insular lot, and don't like criticising their own society which makes things fester and grow in them.

Oh yeah! I've grown dhaniya (which I don't now because it's cheaper and more convenient to buy from the shop), different types of basil (tulsi), methi, thyme; I've got some oregano going on right now (first time, takes ages to grow); I bought some aloe vera bootay a couple of years ago and have 3 of them going on right now (keep 'em out of direct sunlight indoors and water sparingly! I use them as face cream). I've had mint going on before (aka pudheena). No seeds or nuts apart from sunflowers but some kabooter (or some other animal) always gets at them before I do. I wake up and find the flowers partially devoured on the floor. I've got a fruit plant called a calamondin (which are like mini oranges) an old tutoring client gave me years ago. I tried the following with little success (but may try again) peas, celeriac, french beans and probably a bunch more. Bell peppers are too much headache and give little yield from my experience. Might try ginger and garlic in the raised bed, but they are long time plant. Wouldn't mind getting my own haldhee going on too. I brought a bunch of fresh haldhee last year and peeled it and dried it outside and then ground it to make proper haldhee powder because it's meant to be a major medicinal root. That was a dirty job though. Wear rubber gloves and old clothes if you ever do this.

Just not necessary dude.......

Bro, I should've mentioned, I've been doing low-carb diet for a bit now. It just agrees with me and keeps me lean. That obviously dictates what I grow. There are a whole host of other things (like you mentioned) that you could grow that I don't. I don't do any root veg for example which seem pretty easy. Get yourself some massive pots (or a bin) for the potatoes. I put a small raised bed in a year or so ago that I haven't used (apart from as a compost dump), see what I can do with that this year.

Turks aren't generally fundamentalist about their faith either. Might be Ataturk's influence?

So none of the brilliant translations many people have posted, or the vibrant discussions are great but this is.......lol!! What's up. Your casteist pride got hurt a bit and triggered you did it? lmao!

You're making things up yet again. Did you forget your meds again? I know I haven't vilified the victims. What I am saying is that given global politics (which has nothing to do with Sikhs), these things seem pretty much inevitable (sadly). Which is a simple truth. One side invades another's land for the valuable resources in their country (upon which their economy is dependent), causing complete devastation and instability in the region. This feeds support for the fundamentalists in the other group (who have always existed, but grow and shrink in numbers depending on how much fuel they are able to muster). Then you get this round of attacks and counter attacks. We are right to be concerned and somewhat defensive because as most intelligent people can probably gather (but not you apparently?), the white supremacists, because of their own ideology, aren't exactly our friends either. So whether it be a case of mistaken identity (thinking Sikhs are Muslims) or just generally hating nonwhites, we ourselves are potential targets. Now here in Britain, there is already a lot of support for Muslims, but there seems to be very little recognition of the knock on effect towards other nonMuslim brown people like us (or others like Hindus). Couple this with rising anti-immigrant feelings amongst (especially working class) natives - who perceive themselves to be the primary victims of mass immigration - be this through their traditional neighbourhoods being changed beyond recognition and high levels of competition for work - and we have a constantly simmering pot. Throw in mass grooming and rape in the mix too and it seems inevitable that this pot will boil over and that is what we are witnessing. Again Sikhs are effected by this, despite having nothing to do with this global clash over religion and resources. No Sikh I know would ever support these kinds of indiscriminate, cowardly attacks - but they can see that given all these factors - they are likely to happen, and they can see how there will be blow back in our direction from them. Just like in the US where Sikhs often get attacked for being 'Bin Laden supporters'. That this needs to be explained to you shows just shows how out of touch with reality you are. Even outsiders have acknowledged it. So take your meds properly and understand the situation before you put words in people's mouths.

It can look seriously gay. Just be careful of that.... especially with you having kesh...... lol

I get that bhangra is popular, but I think we've too closely affiliated our dharamic identity with the balle balle culture, which can blatantly be clownish. A lot of people think that we need to be going in the other direction to get taken more seriously. We've had decades of that balle balle stuff in the UK, and look where that has got us.

How you turn a thread about Sikhi into some joke thing man...... Imagine someone looking at this thread trying to learn about converts to Sikhi and seeing all this excited prancing about..... lol Never learn.