Sukhvirk1976

Being scientific and anti religious is something that aligns very naturally with sikh philosophy..?

I think that is a very considered response.. Although in my mind I usually distinguish between sikhi and Sikhism, the latter being the drive to create a formalised institutional religion.. And sikhi being the broader philosophical approach..?

Just to clarify are you suggesting that I am a islamophile?

@BhForce what do you make of that?

Hi there.. Firstly my original response to you was really quite specific.. By raising the question about your omission of the very next line of the shabd I was highlighting how problematic your assertion is. You decontextualised the shabd it would be very easy for someone who doesn't know the complexity and sophistication of gurbani to see your views as dogmatic.. Note the structure of the bani, and the use of identity labels used in the first verse but transcendental terms used in the second.. I am neither Hindu nor Muslim.. And then as a counterpoint uses terms from each traditions cosmology Allah raam my body and soul. The very core of nondualism. That if you obsess over one approach over another you end up missing the point. Both philosophical traditions have merit but because identity politics and blind following, it is a critique of blind following.. Interestingly your next quote actually reaffirms that.. Hindu is blind, turkoo (or Muslim) has one eye the core of nondualism. That all and one are what makes the whole.. The 'Hindu' is blind because he is blinded by the scope of avatars and thinks them to be gods rather than metaphorical expression of characteristics of akaal. The Muslim has one eye because he doesn't recognise the pluralistic nature of akaal.. Is dogmatic, places importance in a simplistic understanding where he sees avatars as polytheism.. Both are wedded to identity rather than actually understanding.. That like body and soul (duality which are symbiotic) make up the whole which is advaita.. I categorically reject that the shabd suggests it is beholden to two entities.. I believe it is both revelatory and a warning to us about not getting bogged down in identity politics.. Otherwise we will become blind or myopic

I don't think gurbani contradicts itself at all.. I think you contradicted yourself and was selective in your choice of quotes

I think part of the reason we are losing people as you put it is because the most expressive form of sikhi in the west apes abrahamic religions in trying to be dogmatists and absolutist.. We forget that sikhi is Tisarpanth. It belongs to everyone

So what makes you think it will be any better? What guarantees or constitutional checks and balances in a independent panjab state would be put in place to ensure that it was representative of the people?

The memorial has nothing to do with how we feel about the British empire.. It stands as a monument recognising the contribution made and the lives lost of soldiers.. It's a disgrace to the memory of our ancestors that someone would desecrate it

Bro look at what was written on the memorial.. Doesn't look like it would be written by white racists

Raag vidya and gurbani sangeet traditions are being promoted look into the work of bhai baldeep singh ji and the Anad foundation

Why did you miss out this? ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥ Aleh Raam Kae Pindd Paraan ||4|| My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4|| ਭੈਰਉ (ਮਃ ੫) (੩) ੪:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੧੩੬ ਪੰ. ੧੨ Raag Bhaira-o Guru Arjan Dev

How do you just make this stuff up.. When you say Europe being flooded by millions of Muslim refugees you are wrong by saying millions.. Secondly, you seem to not understand the issue of Asia bibi, she actually had the case against her thrown out. She has applied for asylum and would likely be given it. The problem is Subsequently after her court case she has been given a ban on travelling.. In the 80s and 90s thousands of Sikhs from India were given asylum in the West. In recent years all Sikhs from Afghanistan have been given asylum in international countries.. Ironically afghani Sikhs who have established communities in the UK experience more discrimination from the panjabi sikh community than many others.. It's a bit irresponsible of you to just spread nonsense

Who are you to make such assumptions?

These are just some examples.. I've never seen it much

What exactly is he apologising about? And if he is a nobody then how come these SAS guys are there?

What promise?

Please explain how I have diminished anyone?

I never spoke about guru gobind singh ji.. You speak about 'Waheguru' in terms of like a semitic 'god'? Where did 'Waheguru' speak to guru gobind singh ji? Do you mean in bachittar Natak /dasam Granth?

I'm not diminishing anyone.. Guru nanak is my guru as well and for me the perfect soul..

Please explain further as to why you are insulted?

You need to read no further than the very first symbol of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to understand that

1 Don't focus on the finger! Or you'll miss all the heavenly glory You can do bhangra all over the place, bani teaches us very simply All is 1 Not external but within.. Come correct or don't come at all

My posts are monitored so they take a while to get published. I'm a learner,

How ironic ?