Son of Guru Gobind Singh Ji

Oh WOW I feel so much love already! Ryu Hayabusa, the pleasure and happiness that Sikhs get out of following Guru Ji's rehit cannot be discribed. Many have given up their lives just for the sake of Rehit Maryada. And many others have suffered a lot, just so their rehit doesn't break. Read the autobiography of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji, and learn about how much he had to go through just so he could carry on with his rehit while he was in Jail. Dhan Guru Dhan Guru Pyare...

haha.. are you saying only abnormal ppl make recordings? haha :wub:

recordings?

JSS, maybe daasn daas' friends are those who were born into Sikh families but got a little lost while finding the path? So isn't it better that someone encourages them to not go against the values of their faith? After all, he only used the word 'encourage' and not 'force'. Even if they aren't all born into Sikh families, isn't it our duty that we follow the hukam : "jee dya parvaan"?

just did a search http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/life_aquat...ic/trailers.ppa

a couple of other actos have their head covered, maybe he could have just done that? rest all looks good for now. lol. jk

The wallpaper is in bmp format. So just convert it to JPEG and upload it again and it should load fine then. And also, fix the 'spelling' of Ik ongkar.

Where do u live? You should have asked ur dad to make sure if you can go to work tomorrow or not and what was his problem with the kara? Why did he even issue such an order?

By Jathedar Raam Singh (Soora, Mar, 87) Translated by www.tapoban.org Admin This is an incident from the 1972 Agra Keertan Smaagam. It is for me an unforgettable memory, which causes me to feel bairaag, and teaches about divinely ordained fate and the Guru’s grace. It was the ran sabaaee for the smaagam and after the selection of the Punj Pyaaray, the Jathedar Sahib of the Punj Pyaaray told me to go outsie and see how many aspirants for Amrit were present. I took permission of the Jatehdar and went outside to see. After asking around I found out that about five or six individuals had come for this priceless gift of Amrit. Sitting a little farther back than the rest of the aspirants, all alone was an Eastern-Indian, Hindu Bhaiyaa family (husband, wife, and three children). From their clothes I could tell they were extremely poor. My conversation with them was as such: I: What have you come here for? The Couple: Baboo jee, to take amrit. I: (with surprise) What did you say? Couple: Baboo jee, for amrit. We have taken a bath before coming. All of us, even the children. I: Are you wearing a Kacherra? Couple: No Baboo jee. I: Kirpaan, Kangha, KaRa…do you have any of these? Couple: No Baboo jee. I could see myself that they were not wearing keskees. I told them about the restrictions on the use of meat, alchol and tobacco. They were completely ready to meet any condtions to receive amrit. I went back inside and told Jathedar Sahib everything. Jathear Sahib began to laugh and was very happy. He gave permission for the Hindu family to be dressed in the five kakaars and be presente d before the Punj Pyaaray. I requested a Singh who lived in Agra to arrange for kakaars for the family and also suitable clothes (salvaar kameez, dupatta) for the wife. The wife was wearing a dhotee at the time. The Agra Singh quickly arranged for all the required things. The peshees egan. The Punj Pyaaray gave this family approval as candidates for amrit. After the peshees, all the amrit candidates were called inside. The Bata was prepared. The candidates kept receiving amrit and beginning their spiritual lives as the Amrit hall began to echo with naam. At the very end came the turn of this family. First the Singh came. The candidate assumed the beer aasun. His conversation with Punj was like this: Panch: (After giving Amrit choola) Bol, Vaahiguru Jee kaa khaalsaaa Vaahiguru jee kee fateh! Abhilakhee: Silent. Panch: Bol Vaahiguru jee kaa khaalsaa vaahiguru jee kee fateh! Ab: Silent. Panch: (understanding he had not ever heard the Fateh before), How we say it, you too should repeat like us. Ab: Yes sir. Panch: Bolo Vahiguru Ab: Vaahiguru Panch: Jee kaa Ab: Jee kaa Panch: Khalsa Ab: Khansa Panch: Not Khansa, KHALSA Ab: Falsa Panch: not Falsa, say KHA Ab: KHA Panch: L Ab: L Panch: Sa Ab: Sa Panch: Vahiguru Ab: Vahiguru Panch: Jee kee Ab: Jee kee Panch: Fateh! Ab: Fateh! And like this, this candidate was blessed with Amrit. It took him a long time to learn how to recite naam as well. The came the turn of his older son who was about ten years old. He had the same experience as his father. Then came the wife’s turn. The word Khalsa had to be split apart for her as well for her to repeat it. When the bibi had received amrit, the Panch, (through the Jathedar Sahib) told the Bibi, “You have taken Amrit. Now the Punj Pyaaray will give you naam. You will accompany us as we now medit ate on it” After saying this, the Panch put their hands on her head and released the first furaataa of svaas giraasee naam abhyaas. With the second furaataa, this Bibi (who had never ever heard even the Fateh or naam before) began to do abhyaas like she had been doing so for many years. She would recite naam so clearly and easily and louder than anyone else. All the observers began to smile and watch this Bibi. The Bibi’s body became solid and she fell into the dandaut position. The power of naam abhyaas was moving her body so much that the Panch had to hold her head with great struggle so it wouldn’t hit the ground. It was getting hard to manage the Bibi. Jathedar Sahib motioned to the other Bibis sitting close by to take care of the Bibi and turned her over to them. For a long time she stayed in this state. When she regained consciousness (even though her naam khanda was still going) she had a Guru given glow on her face, which causes vairaag in the observer. She sat down and was fully immersed in naam meditation. The youngest daughter who was about two years old also had abhyaas just like her mother’s. After the amrit sinchaar, the couple was re-married according to the Anand Kaaraj ceremony and was given names according to Gurmat. Because of some old karmas, this family must have been born in the East and worked hard labour and lived in abject poverty. When the architect of destiny willed, this family must have been sitting and eating in the Langar when they heard they could also receive Amrit. The bathed and arrived. Their destiny was to awaken, so Guru Sahib created a path for them. With innocence, they arrived and sat a bit apart from the rest of the candidates. In their minds they had the wish, “we too will take amrit”. What did they know what amrit was or how it was received? They must have thought amrit was given like langar. The great puppeteer was in their hearts and making all this possible. The Lord created such a play and made these candidates speak such words tha t in their innocence, they were accepted at the door of the Guru. After receiving the gift of amrit and naam, such grace fell upon this family that is seen of very few others. Their soul, thirsting for naam, upon receiving just a droplet of it, completely immersed itself. This was all a play of old Karmas. http://www.tapoban.org/1972%20Agra%20Keert...n%20Smaagam.pdf

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I was looking at ur inquiry as a means to learn more, but I guess I was wrong. There are many things which many of us do not understand but if we all started looking at them your way then even believing in God would be hard, as many of us are not at a level of understanding him fully.

Pheena, it was Bhai Gurdas Ji who wrote the first saroop of Guru Granth Sahib ji at time of Guru Arjan Dev Ji, and Bhai Mani Singh Ji did the seva of writing the saroops at time of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. I thought the word contemporary should have told you that Bhai Desi Singh Ji lived at time of Guru Gobind Singh Ji? I asked you a simple question, why not answer it in simple words? Do u believe that the rehitnaame of Bhai Desa Singh ji or Bhai Dya Singh Ji hold any importance in Sikhi?

Pheena, yes. What I want to make sure from your side if she you disbelieve in the rehitnaame? If yes, then on what basis?

It is a well known fact that Bhai Desi Singh Ji wasa close contemporary of Guru Gobind Singh Ji and many vital rehitnamas of the Sikh Panth come directly from the pen of Bhai Desi Singh Ji. Most of the rehitnaame were actually written by various different Sikhs like Bhai Dya Singh Ji, Bhai Nand Lal Ji, but they were merely the tools, like Guru Sahib had Bhai Mani Singh Ji write the saroop of Guru Granth Sahib ji, but the gyaan was of Guru Sahib ji.

The trust is called Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Trust and I believe they are in charge of publishing/printing Bhai Sahib's books. And S1ngh, i don't think that trust would mind ppl getting the book in PDF form as they don't print the book to make money but for parchaar. MS514 already posted the link, but here it is anyway again: http://tapoban.org/JAIL_CHHITHIAN.pdf

Good post Pheena.. but lets not forgot that Guru Sahib has told us clearly that: "Rehit Pyare Mujh Ko Sikh Pyara Naahe" Pyara = Beloved

You may just wash ur hair again and this time just comb on time :wub: (when it's about to dry)

welllll!! ok... I had paid them and i still havent got the book . its like 8 or more months now.. I dont mind it.. I will get the book from somewhere else.. but if i had gotten the book i would have scanned the book and put the book up for everyone to get inspired. I got my copy of the Punjabi version of the book from that site and I had no problem in getting it.. Maybe you need to contact that bibi and ask her if she ever got your 'order'. Oh and btw, that book might be too big to scan urself at home.. and the link to the book was already posted on this thread..

I totally agree with Ms514... If you legally get your last name changed to Khalsa, that is the last name which your children, grand children are going to carry, unless they decide to go through the hassle of getting that changed, and we dont' know how they'll turn out as Sikhs. So go with Singh/Kaur!

Yes, Guru Gobind Singh Ji does look at everyone equally, that is, he will give amrit to anyone who comes to him :wub:

You might find some people say that they are AKJ, but that doesn't mean anything like what you are implying: Any Amritthari Sikh who has assocation with AKJ, those who attend smagams organized by the Akhand Kirtani Jatha, can be a part of the Jatha, since all the participation at smagams is by the Sangat directly. But however looking at Singhs/Kaurs associated with Jatha differently from other sangatta is wrong. This distinction should not be made by anyone, the person himself or by any others.

I'm sure that when you take amrit at a samagam organized by Akhand Kirtani Jatha, the punj pyare will insist that you do keep sarbloh bebeik, or bebeik atleast. I'm not sure about UK, but here in US/Canada most of the time Punj Pyare do tell you. If you think you aren't ready for sarbloh bebeik yet you can let them know of your problems and they'll tell u the alternatives. Rest, anyone else here, including me, cannot tell you anything about what your Punj will be telling you as we are not standing in their position. Most of the time at smagams organized by AKJ, the Punj Pyare are chosen from the sangat and what they tell you about rehit is what their mutually decide upon. At last, don't worry about getting maryada chocked down to your threat, as the Punj Pyare wont' be doing that. They will only tell you what is recommended and it's your duty to try to do it. It will take you time to achieve all your goals, but do keep them in mind.