Lioness98

Yes, most Pakistanis in Rochdale are Pakistani Punjabis. Sajid Javid is originally from there too.

33 years - I'm shocked - the judges rarely hand out lengthy sentences to pedos. 

5 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Notice as well. In the report I posted in the OP absolutely no mention is made of the background of the perpetrators (whether their religion, or ethnic nationality), but we know that the same media likes throwing around the word 'Sikh' at any opportunity they can when it makes us look bad.  

I think also, all this nonsense about the police not wanting to appear racist, hence their reluctance to deal with the issue is another lie, used to excuse themselves and push some twisted notion of being constrained by 'PC values'  when the truth is that they simply aren't concerned about the issue, as attested to by former policemen and policewomen. 

If they don't care about underage white girls being exploited by gangs of men, how can we expect them to protect our community? What can we do? The police are complicit - the police force has always attracted sociopaths, perverts and thugs from all walks of life. 

15 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

UK..Birmingham

Today got cancelled due to weather 

 

Gold teeth, ridiculous hair cuts, rowdy ghetto behaviour - Welcome to Birmingham.

2 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

Really sad. no matter how much therapy you go through what help you get, that nightmare will always be there to haunt you 

Many homeless drug abusers you see on the streets were sexually abused as children. It breaks my heart when I see people senselessly mocking them, referring to them as 'nitties'. The trauma never leaves them. 

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

For all we know the victim could be Sikh? You know goray would hide stuff like that.  

The victims are usually vulnerable with no parental guidance, care home kids, etc. 

4 hours ago, Premi5 said:

@Lioness98  - thoughts please

Thanks for the tag!

I was going to make a post on this but dally beat me to it.

The CPS has a backlog of cases, numbering in the tens of thousands, consequently many rapists/abusers evade trials and convictions. Even when they're convicted, the sentences are lenient as seen here. The police and CPS don't take sexual abuse as seriously as they should, hence why these gangs were running loose for decades. Sexual abuse cases are just not prioritised. For all we know the grooming gangs could be more numerous. The corrupt police continues to turn a blind eye.

11 hours ago, proactive said:

That should come as a shock for that Jagsaw guy who was here a few years chatting shite about how all the former Doaba Muslims who migrated to Lyallpur in 1947 are such great people. 

Doaba/east Punjabi Muslims hate Sikhs more than anyone else. Why would a Doaba Muslim of all people favour Sikhs given what occurred in 1947? Some apne really do say things without critical thinking. No common sense.

All Pakistanis are the same and the groomers are from all over Pakistan, as was exposed in this thread:

11 minutes ago, Rsingh1978 said:

The Huddersfield grooming gang were all Faisalabadis. 

Also, the Oxford gangs were 100% Faisalabadis. 

I don't know why that guy is obsessed with trying to prove central Pakistani Punjabis are different from the north Punjabis or Mirpuris. They're the same people in every way.

This account is still running. The user is a Pakistani Punjabi who also claims to be half Pashtun. Please report it.

https://www.tiktok.com/@rated_gabru 

On 2/13/2022 at 4:33 PM, Premi5 said:

 

@Lioness98

I estimate majority of the Pak Panjabis and 'Mirpuris' in the Uk who are 'wrong uns' are from the area of the map to the left of the lines.

 

They are all equally as bad as each other when it comes to their views of Sikhs.

On 2/10/2022 at 9:03 PM, Rsingh1978 said:

I’m from Telford myself and majority of the pakistanis that live here are punjabis. They’re mainly from places like jhelum, Gujrat and Lahore and from what I’ve read and heard, the grooming gang from Telford were all punjabis. OP’s right the perpetrators are from all over Pakistan ,and it’s sad to see how some of our people claim pak punjabis as our brethren just because we speak the same language. I’m glad gurdwaras are raising more awareness about this issue it’s the only way we’ll be able to protect our children.

Thank you for bringing our attention to this. I was not aware of the Telford perpetrators being Pak Punjabis but it makes sense.

Some gullible apne believe Pak Punjabis are our brethren however the vast majority of our people are intelligent enough to decipher the reality of these grooming gangs and they know Pakistani Punjabis are involved in abundance. 

4 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Still think you're overplaying the importance of the people not far from Lahore like Faisalabad. The 'wrong uns' from my observation are mainly from Northern Panjab like Rawalpindi/Islamabad, Gujar Khan, Gujrat and Jhelum areas, which are near to the 'Azad Kashmir' area, if not Mirpuri

Definitely agree their influence on other Pak Panjabis though here, and that religion comes first by far for majority of them compared to our Panjabis 

People from Jhelum are some of the worst people to come out of Pakistan, agreed. They're involved heavily in everything from fraud to grooming. That terrorist who held the Texas synagogue hostage was from Jhelum. The London terrorist Khuram Butt was from Jhelum too. The honour killing victim Samia Shahid was murdered in Jhelum. Shafiela Ahmed's family were Pak Punjabis from Gujrat.

The Faisalabad ones were the ones who carried out the 2005 London bombings. I don't believe I'm 'overplaying' anything. These people have proven to be highly problematic for our community and I shall continue to speak out against them for the protection of our people. 

5 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Might also explain his hatred of Sikhs? I'm pretty sure he was (at least partly) behind bringing coaches of sullay to Southall on Vasaikhi, includng black converts?

Funnily enough I swear I saw him on the street a few months ago.  

Yes, Salafism (the most radical form of Islam) is very commonly adhered to in central Pakistan Punjab especially by the migrants from east Punjab. The Punjabi Muslims I've met appear quite radical, the liberal ones are a minority. Their extremism and hatred of Sikhs/Hindus has been confirmed by historians and political commentators who specialise in Pakistani affairs. Explains why the overwhelming majority of Pakistani terrorists in the UK are Pak Punjabis:

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Of the educated Punjabi migrants, a high proportion joined the officer corps. They played a particularly prominent role under General Zia-ul-Haq – himself from Jullundur in east Punjab, like his ISI commander, General Akhtar Rehman.

A majority of the leadership of the violently anti-Shia Sipah-e-Sahaba Islamist militant group, now allied in revolt with the Pakistan i Taleban, have also been from east Punjab.

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The refugees (from east Punjab) therefore played a vital role in creating what Abida Husain has called, with some exaggeration ,‘Pakistan’s Prussian Bible Belt’: that is to say,the combination of tendencies towards economic dynamism, social mobility, militarist nationalism and Islamist chauvinism to be found in northern and central Punjab.

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As noted, the headquarters of Islamist radical groups are close to the city (Lahore). The main headquarters of the Jamaat Islami party, Mansura, is in one of Lahore’s suburbs.

http://sanipanhwar.com/Pakistan A Hard Country by Anatol Lieven .pdf

23 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Born in London on 18 January 1967,^[14] Anjem Choudary is the son of a Welling market trader and is of Pakistani descent;^[15][16] his parents migrated to what became Pakistan during the partition of India.^[17] He attended Mulgrave Primary School, in Woolwich.^[18] In 1996, Choudary married Rubana Akhtar, or Akhgar, who had recently joined al-Muhajiroun, which he led at the time. She later became the group's head of women.^[19] The couple have four children.^[15]

his family probably migrated from east Punjab. I remember reading Punjabi Muslims who migrated from east Punjab adopted Islamism as a consequence of losing their homes, families, etc. It turned them into radicals.

17 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think this one is a kutchy (gujju)?  

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Choudary was born in London in 1967, the son a market trader of Punjabi-Pakistani descent.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1511156/anjem-choudary#bio

4 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think the apnay who are very pro-panjbiyaat or have close pak friends are the ones who are most likely to be in denial or play down pak-punjabi grooming.   

Pro-panjbiyaat is the most futile movement I have seen. I did not realise people actually took it seriously. Most Pakistani Punjabis in the UK speak Urdu, I have heard them say Punjabi is a 'paindu' language. I haven't noticed that Pak Punjabis are more friendly towards Sikhs than Mirpuris either. This is a fantasy of some deluded apne. Both groups dislike us equally. 

On 2/8/2022 at 12:47 AM, SikhKosh said:

Not denying that the Pak Punjabs are involved in grooming or other anti Sikh acts but how do you explain the absence of such organized grooming cases in the US where most Paks are Punjabis as compared to the Paks in the UK who have large numbers of Mirpuris/Kashmiris?
The odd grooming cases are everywhere, even in Europe where several Sikh girls have been groomed, but I am talking about the organized efforts like the ones visible in the UK.
Paks in the US - majority of them Punjabis - are pretty succesful, educated, have a low crime rate and generally good relations with Sikhs/East Punjabis.

Could it be that mostly Mirpuris were grooming back in the day hence creating the narration that groomers are mostly Mirpuris and now Pak Punjabs, Afghanis and others taking over.

If you really have access to figures and names in the crimes that we do not have, could you do a quick analysis of the cases of the past decades and see the % (approx) of Pak Punjabs vs Mirpuris ? Genuinely interested because most cases I have read about had Mirpuris involved in them:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/697583/Rotherham-abuse-scandal-child-grooming-gangs-industrial-scale-victims-CSE

"GROOMING of young girls by gangs of predominantly Kashmiri men is still occurring on an “industrial scale” in Rotherham because authorities are failing to tackle an organised child sex crime racket, an investigation by express.co.uk has uncovered."

BTW, you're probably referring to me in your post because I was the one who bought up the Mirpuri grooming issue in some other thread and I also suggested that we need to focus on improving our relations in West Punjab so we can further Panthic goals in Pak which was not appreciated on this forum.

That article from the Express does not cite any actual data - there is no collected data on the definite origins of the Pakistani grooming gangs but I have seen reports firsthand detailing where these perpetrators were born and they're from all over Pakistan and other Muslim countries. If we're gonna go by figures, most grooming gangs in the UK are made up of white men. However, the ones targeting Sikh girls are always Pakistani gangs. If we want to seriously tackle this problem then we can't deflect by blaming it all on one group. Mirpuris are estimated to be 60% of the British Pakistani population, that means a LARGE minority of 40% are Pakistani Punjabis. I'm not trying to absolve the Mirpuri perpetrators but to suggest they're the only ones doing it is defying common sense. Especially because Punjabi Muslims have a long history of hatred for Sikhs. It is in very recent history that they committed mass-rapes and genocide on our people. They continue to forcibly kidnap and convert Sikh girls in Pakistan https://www.sikhpa.com/kidnapping-and-forced-conversion-of-sikh-girl-in-pakistan-leads-to-public-outcry/

Pak Punjabis in the UK are very much radical Islamists many times, the ones in the US might be different. They always have that haji mullah style. I remember reading that the 2005 London bombings were carried out by Pak Punjabis. That fellow who recently held the synagogue hostage in Texas was a Pak Punjabi. Look at Anjem Choudhary.

The Pakistanis in the US are more successful and educated because the US immigration system is much stricter hence only the rich ones moved there to begin with. Furthermore they don't have a strong base there and are scattered all over the country. In Canada they wouldn't dream of messing with Sikhs because Canadian Apne are notorious gangsters (not something I'm proud of) and everyone knows they're not to be messed with. The Pakistanis in Britain are mostly from a labourer class. It's that simple. It isn't because one group is inherently better than the other. Essentially they're all the same! Just to make it clear, paedophilia and group-based sexual abuse transcends class or education, the rich or educated aren't less likely to engage in sexual abuse. We saw educated Pakistani doctors running grooming gangs in Canada in this thread. 

This has been the case for decades. Brits have never liked Muslims historically. 

All those accounts were run by Pakistani Punjabis. It should not come as a surprise to anyone as Pak Punjabis were the ones running the notorious Rochdale grooming gangs which the BBC series Three Girls was based on.

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He said Ahmed, who first came to the UK in 1967 aged 14, is a British citizen, but would not be rendered stateless as he retains Pakistani nationality having been born in Gujrat.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rochdale-grooming-gang-deportation-rights-10903124