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Usually what we hear is that Hari Singh Nalwa conquered Afghanistan which is incorrect as he did not set foot in the Afghanistan as it is now. During the time of Hari Singh Nalwa, the Afghans or more correctly the Pathans controlled the NWFP tribal areas and these along with Peshawar were considered as core Pathan territory as the Pathans were a majority there. Therefore any takeover of these areas especially by Non-Muslim Non-Pathans was considered a sacrilege.

You need to be clear that Nalwa's victories over the Afghans were in areas that had historically, linguistically and ethnically had been a part of Afghanistan ie the NWFP of Pakistan, now called Kyber-Pakhtoonkhwa. Nalwa did not cross the Khyber pass into the present day Afghanistan.

I am sorry to hear about your mom. Sikhiseeker has given good advice. Everyone in your family needs to be strong and positive for her.

You might not want to have children now, but I know from a lot of people I know who did not have children because they felt like you in the end regretted their decision. Children are a blessing, ask anyone who has them. They bring a whole new perspective to life. I have two kids and I wouldn't have it any other way. You appear to be still young and your views may be liable to change with time. Is there anything in particular that is putting you off having kids? I would suggest that you think about what that is and then work to resolve that issue. What you don't want is to be a a 40 year old and then regret not having kids and then face the dilemma that having them at that age will put them at risk of various genetic disorders.

I would take his claims with a pinch of salt. It is true that Teji Bachchan his mother was from a 'sikh' family but what her commitment to Sikhi was is not clear. It takes a special someone to raise a monster who urges Hindus to kill his 'own' people. Punjab is full of so-called descendants of Gurus. AS WLS said, all Bedis claims to be descendants of Guru Nanak and so do the Trehans, Bhallas and Sodhis claim to be descendants of the Gurus.

Typical Hindustanis. They think they have a god given right to win every competition. The best team won but the Hindustani mentality is that their team can only lose if they throw the match.

Gurdas Maan has done more to popularise the sharabi-kababi culture in Punjab than any other singer. In the past singers used to sing about the social issues of the day but Gurdas Maan has gone to the other extreme popularising sharab in songs such as Apna Punjab Hovey. Not even in the west do you get songs popularising alcoholism, I wonder how any families and young lives have been ended through the influence of his songs. He is a total disgrace.

Khushwant Singh was a typical what is called in Punjabi as Kanjar. A Kanjar is someone who has no conscience, will change his opinion to suit the occasion and turn up at event solely to drink and eat. He is a chumcha and he doesn't care who knows it and is content to be a chumcha all his life. The only notable thing that we can say about the 20th of March 2014 is that a Kanjar died on that day.

The aim is to have 4 kids not to have 4 kids in 4 years. If you leave a few years between each kid then by the time one has started nursery, the other one is still a baby and so on. Complying with the edict won't be possible for those westernised Sikhs who have moved out of the parents home as soon as they have got married. It takes the whole family. the parents. the grandparents, the uncles and aunts to raise kids.

That's the attitude that will ensure that Sikhs end up like the Parsis. Population is not always on the rise, it depends on the number of kids couples have. Couples need on average 2.1 kids in order to ensure a growth in the population, anything below and the population decreases. Russia and many western countries are in negative population growth for years. Putin has had to invite back Russians from the former soviet republics using incentives in order to keep the population stable. The edict is long overdue and should have been issued after the 2001 census which showed that the Sikh population of Punjab had gone down from 62.95% to 59.95%. It is coming 15 years too late and the figures for the 2011 census will show how much damage has been done because the Sikh leadership has not discharged its duty and been asleep to this problem for the last 15 years.

How can you claim that every book, thesis and report accepts that more Muslims were killed when you haven't read them all. I suggest you stop making blanket statements that cannot be backed up. As I stated earlier there are very few works which look at the complete picture and all of them make estimates and none use accepted scientific methods. So you are basing your argument on estimates. If your claim is correct and less Sikhs and Hindus were killed than Muslims, then it was not on the want of trying on the part of the Muslims. Sikhs were better organised and their refugee trains were under the control Jathedars of local Akali jathas and included ex-soldiers who knew about defensive tactics. The Muslim plan was to drive out or make the Sikhs and Hindus into emasculated minorities in West Punjab but leave the Muslim minorities in East Punjab as a fifth column. The Muslim way is always to attack the non-Muslims and when there is retaliation then play the victim card. You have chosen not at answer the question I asked, what would your advice to the Sikh leadership have been in 1947 based on what was happening around them?

Forget the Nihangs, where are the Sikhs of Amritsar? It is true that had the incident happened outside Punjab the Sikhs even though they are a minority would have raised hell. But it looks like in Punjab the dog Badal and his BJP allies have taken away any ankh that Sikhs had. When over half the male Sikh population does not keep keep their Kesh then how can you expect them to know that their religion has been insulted by these Hindu scum?

So, you've read every single report, book, document and thesis? I highly doubt that. There's been no agreement on the subject, with our side and the Indian Govt concentrating on the violence in West Punjab and the Pakistanis concentrating on the violence in East Punjab. Can I ask what your advice being so well read as you are have been to the 1,8 Million Sikh refugees forced out of Pakistan have been? Also your advice to the Sikh leadership who having been denied the right of a sovereign Sikh state were faced with-; 1. 1.8 Million Sikh refugees who have lost everything 2. A Muslim population in East Punjab which had attacked the Sikhs and Hindus in Amritsar city, 3, A Muslim population in East Punjab which had attacked Sikh refugees who had reached what they thought was the safety of East Punjab 4. Having no land to resettle the Sikh refugees on because Gandhi and Nehru wanted the Muslims of East Punjab to stay and not migrate to Pakistan.

Great News! For once we have a Sikh organisation that does what it says. I donate to SOPW on a regular basis and I would urge anyone else who would like to donate to a worthwhile cause to also do the same. I donate only to SOPW and Sikh Channel because I know that in both cases my money is going to a Panthic cause.

If I had a penny for every time WLS comes onto this forum to tell us how more Muslims were killed in 1947 than Sikhs and Hindus I would have been a millionaire years ago! The facts given by Jonny101 and Chatanga are correct. Look at it this way. One village of 50 people fights a village of 500. The village of 50 people lose 10 people and the village for 500 lose 20 people. So the village of 500 people may have lost the most but because it has a larger population base it will take a few years and the population will become 500 again. For the village of 50 people it will take decades before they can reach their population back to 50 again. Add to this that along with the loss of 10 people the smaller village also loses half of its land. So which village should be getting our sympathy? Which village has a brighter future? OK so the people in the bigger village now start to kill each other but that's their problem no ours! Btw there is no evidence that more Muslims died that Hindus and Sikhs in 1947. We only have Pakistani propaganda to thank and their mouthpiece WLS for this notion. For the Muslims 1947 was about getting their rule back and getting their hands on the lands of the Sikhs and the businesses of the Hindus. For the Hindus, 1947 was about getting to rule a country that they had been slaves in for the last 1000 years. For the Sikhs 1947 was about surviving as a people. It was not for nothing that Master Tara Singh equated the coming struggle as the same terms as the annihilation that the people of Germany and Japan had faced in 1945. Had the Sikhs not taken to arms and had acquiesced to Pakistan, we would have been a minority like the Hindus and Christians are in Pakistan today. They have no rights and are waiting for another atrocity after the last one.

Totally agree. What is needed is for the youth to get organised, become members of the Gurdwara and then stand for election. If the committee is as bad as you say they are then the youth should have no problem kicking the rubbish out from the Gurdwara.

Hopefully the next elections will see the end of the Badal Akalis. The gandh that had infected Sikh politics should have been removed years ago but he and his worthless son have managed to keep themselves in power for far too long. The ridiculous situation where Badal called Makkar a liar and the Makkar changed his statement to comply with what Badal said shows how degraded the Badal Akali Dal has become. The ideal situation should be that the AAP should enter into a seat sharing arrangement with parties not allied with the Congress or the Akalis. The ideal result should be a win for Phoolka, Rajoana's sister and at least one Akali Dal Amritsar candidate. Simranjeet Singh Mann should stand again in Sangrur in allinace with the AAP. I hope that Peermohammed can become a candidate for AAP as well possibly against the gaddah Navjot Sidhu in Amritsar.

I think what he did was the opposite of what that fool on the dating show last year did. He upped the profile of Sikhs among the general public and he came across as a humble and spiritual man. I am sure the money won't change him and for the millions watching the show for the last few weeks that he was on he has given Sikhs a positive image. Congratulations to him on winning the top prize on that show.

We should have three demands One, is that there should be an independent enquiry into the whole matter of British assistance to the Indians in 1984 as well as any help given by the British to the security forces after Bluestar to suppress the Sikh independence movement. Indian Senior Police officers have been regular visitors to the UK after 1984 and remember that in the early 90s the West Midlands police were sending officers to Punjab on goodwill visits. This was at a time when the Punjab Police was murdering Sikh youths in large numbers. Two, that the British government having voluntarily assisted the Indian government behind the scenes whilst in public washing its hands of helping Sikhs by citing their policy of non-interference in internal matters of other countries, now has a moral responsibility to assist the Sikhs to get justice for the massacres during both Bluestar and Woodrose as well as after the assassination of Indira Gandhi. Three, that the British government by acting in a partisan manner at the start of the Sikh Independence movement must recognise that Sikhs have a right to self determination. The third demand may be difficult to get them to do but the first two are achievable if we have unity and are able to make it clear that we mean business and will not be fobbed off with swarmy words by Hague or Cameron.

The mentality of the British government of the time is shown when instead of urging the Indian government to exercise restraint and look to a peaceful solution, it looks like the government jumped at the chance to do the Indians a favour in return for sales of military equipment. The British government was in a better position than other western governments in putting pressure on the Indian government to not go ahead with the operation by citing the fact that the attack would cause trouble not just in India but also in the UK given the large Sikh population living here. The Sikh demand should not just be for full disclosure which is the least that can be expected from a responsible government but a real commitment from the government to make amends for the actions of the government of the time. This should take the form of assisting Sikh groups in their fight for justice for the genocide committed by the Indian government.

Poor child, he never had a chance with a screwed mother like that. I knew there was more to the story when I first read about it, a child doesn't just walk out a flat on their own and disappear for two days. Rosie's mother is also screwed up having been married twice since her husband died, she's married to some South Indian guy now.

Here is a petition to force the British government to release all the documents. https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/british-government-to-launch-an-urgent-inquiry-into-british-involvement-into-the-1984-attack-on-amritsar#

I lost 33 pounds over about 3-4 months. It's easy. Just don't eat any snacks between meals. Eat a bowl of quaker oats in the morning. A banana and apple for lunch. Drink plenty of water 1 litre at least. Eat a normal dal/sabzi roti meal in the evening. Exercise or go for a log walk, I walked for 2 hours a day during the time. So my calorie intake was less than which I was expending and the weight came off easily.

If this is true than it would amount to the British government being culpable in the genocide of 1984. This would also amount to a betrayal of the Sikh citizens by the British government and if it could be open to a lawsuit especially if there were British Sikhs who were murdered in the attack. I hope the Sikh organisations such as Network of Sikh orgs, Sikh Federation and Sikh Council will follow this up and at the very least get an apology from the government and all papers related to the issue released. The government should then be sued. This betrayal by the British government ranks along with the betrayal of Maharaja Dalip Singh when they took over the Sikh kingdom when they were duty bound to protect it. Add to this the betrayal in 1947 and you realise that the trust that Sikhs have in the British is misplaced.

Apart from the killings of RSS workers and the CRPF and Police most people on the forum would condemn the killing of innocent people. The list you written does not prove that it was Khalistani that did the killings. In fact how many Khalistanis have been convicted of these killings?