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Completely agree, if you go on a night to clubs et all then your hardly going to find someone on their best behaviour, the environment is such that people are going to have a few drinks and see what follow's, that's not restricted to the Punjabi community, if i was to judge the Punjabi community based on what i've seen on a Friday/Saturday night i wouldn't have a decent thing to say, my issue with Superkaurs comment is that it's very easy to say what she said without anything to back it up, for every one boy/girl that can't find a decent life partner there are 10 other's who have, we choose to focus on those that haven't, for every 20 Asian uni kids out out on a Friday night getting drunk, there are probably the same amount staying in studying or whatever. In reference to Malkit Singh, he's never said he represented the Sikh community, the Punjabi one maybe, he's an entertainer who has taken advantage of his cultural heritage, we need to stop making the mistake of assuming that if someone has a turban on their head that they somehow represent all Sikh's, they don't, assuming that just because he was going to Downing street he would voice your concerns is a naivety on the part of those who assumed he would. In the last 24 hours the amount of nonsense i've read on social media is unbelievable, people blaming Malkit Singh for the behaviour of his daughter, you tell me, what parent brings up their child teaching them that it's okay to have illicit relations with minors, regardless of what he may sing or what his public persona is, i very seriously doubt he thought his child would end up doing that, his career is as good as over now, as for his daughter, well she's going to have to suffer the consequences of her actions, the jail term is the easy part, it's what's going to come after, aside from someone looking for an easy visa to the UK, who on earth is going to want to marry her from the Punjabi community, her father is going to have to go around with a begging bowl to find her a rishta, she has a younger sister and brother, she's pretty much ruined their lives as well, anyway, i could go on and on, one thing my grandad always taught me was no to raise a finger at anyone if your not willing to have a finger raised at you, this is a prime example of that.

I'm sorry, but these have to be some of the most narrow minded comments i've read in a while, to make an assumption based on the fact that a girl may or may not get married by a certain age is absurd, saying Sikh boy's look elsewhere for life partners because of women like this is equally as absurd. As Sikh's our Guru's have taught us that both men and women are equal yet by saying they should be married by a certain age otherwise they'll go off the rails, if that's not in-equality i don't know what is, it a very dangerous and narrow minded assumption to make, there are plenty of Sikh men and women who are married that get up to no good. As far as Sikh guys not wanting to marry girls from the "Indian demographic", i'd love to know what this is based on and what relevance it has to this case, this woman does not represent the entire Punjabi community in the same way if the perpetrator was white they would no represent the entire white community. I think if we looked a little less at the colour of a perpetrators skin or his or her faith and a little more at their action's we would realise that your faith really doesn't dictate whether your going to do good or bad, if it was a white woman who did this we wouldn't bat an eyelid but because it's a woman form a Punjabi background we're more than willing to pipe up about it, we should be talking about it irrelevant of the persons faith, her father being Malkit Singh is irrelevant too, there are plenty of kid's out there up to no good whose parents are highly religious and pillar's of the community, that fact of the matter is she took advantage of a young boy who had learning difficulties and has been punished for it, the questions we need to ask ourselves is how on earth, without the proper qualifications, she was abl to get a job in a school that deals with children with learning difficulties in the first place.

You do realise that these shirts are actually original 1970's shirts, the fact is that no one opens them so they will go from family to family and have been doing so for the last 30 odd years. On a serious note, the whole giving "pyar" is really up to the individual, it's taken me 12 years of moaning to stop my in-laws from putting money in my birthday cards, this year they finally gave in and i got an empty card, happy times. The unfortunate thing is, like everything in the punjabi culture, it becomes about one up-manship, if somebody gave you £20 then you have to either match it or step up the game, but like i said, it's up to the individual.

Without providing a valid reason for wanting to cut your hair it's a bit nonsensical asking for a counter, at the end of the day it's your personal choice, the worst thing you can do is be something that you really don't believe in, my experience is this, I took Amrit when i was young because my whole family did so they expected me to follow in their path, they had taken Amrit a few years previously, I had very little knowledge of the responsibility it carried but i tried my best, i grew older, followed the path of Sikhi but found myself drifting away, i'm now in my 40's, i never cut my kesh, never ate meat or drank alcohol or had any other vices, i do however trim my beard so yes I broke the sacred bond I made with the Guru but after many conversations with my parents they have realised that they should not have made me and my sibling's take Amrit at such a young age without us understanding the responsibilities that come with it. I now find my self re-learning everything about Sikhi but this time I'm doing it because i want to and because my children want to and i actually find myself closer to Waheguru now than I ever was before, maybe one day if i'm ready i may take Amrit again. As far as guilt tripping goes there is plenty of it about but Sikhism has taken a somewhat fascinating turn over the last few years where the younger generation are encouraged to learn and make up their own minds as opposed to the old fashioned "your going to disappoint everybody of you don't follow the path" lectures but, like i've already mentioned, without providing a valid argument your basically just asking people to counter a general argument.

I try to stay away from topics like this but over the last few years there seems to be what i would describe as and "anti every non-Sikh festival" movement going on, there's been pages of discussions about it being appropriate for Sikhs to have a Christmas tree, conversations about the righteousness of letting your Sikh children believe in Mr S Claus and many other's, now i have a fair few non Sikh friends, every year they will take time out and go to the Nagar Kirtan with me, they will wish every one a happy Vaisakhi, they have learnt about Sikhism through participation, a few were even at my local Gurdwara with me yesterday to observe Gurpurab, so if me saying Merry whatever to them or letting my kids take part in a Christmas play makes me less of a Sikh then god only knows which way out faith is headed, my grandad always used to say to me that those who complain the most are more likely than not insecure in their own beliefs, anyway Merry "Insert whatever you like here because i might say something that may offend 1 person" to all of you.

I'm assuming you work in a call centre environment or something similar, as someone who has friends and family that work in similar environments I'll throw in my pennies worth, couple of things: -The fact that the caller had Singh in his name is irrelevant, just because someone has Singh as their middle name doesn't mean that they never shout or use bad language -If this person has made a complaint against you your first port of call should be to HR (or similar) and request a copy of the complaint and a copy of the conversation (if recorded) -Read your work contract, your employer has a duty of care in respect to abuse in the workplace, this includes customers who are abusive over the phone -If you feel it's all going to go south, contact a solicitor, in fact, contact a solicitor anyway -If (let's hope not) you end up loosing your job over this the and Industrial tribunal is your main avenue of re-course but only go down this route if you can prove that your employers unfairly dismissed you, sometimes it can cause more damage if you loose. As someone whose worked from the ground up in my chosen sector for the past 20 years i've been through the mill a few times but i tend not to fall back on the old "racist" card neither do i assume people are "nice" just because they are from a certain background, instead i educated myself on employment law and what my rights are, i suggest you do the same, in the long run you'll benefit. Good luck with it fella.

There's a good explanation of this here, http://gianiamolaksinghji.com/?page_id=9 (about half way down), Johrian De Seva is pretty common to me as i grew up around this.

I'll give credit to TPV who only formed a short time ago and still managed to get a good foothold and spread a good message, it's a good sign for the future, having seen the kind of diatribe that has come out over the past few weeks on social media anybody would think these old timer parties are trying to get elected into parliament not a religious organisation which is meant to be a charity, it's such a shame that what is meant to be a house of god where we are meant to go to reflect on ourselves has become nothing more that a source of income for these old timer's, anyway, we all have to answer to the one in the end.

You do realise that you can go to a fair few shop's in the Punjab and probably here in the UK and buy a Baata and Khanda, as already mentioned, you cannot police this kind of thing, there are more important things to get on with, starting with making sure that you yourself follow the word of the Guru.