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which Guru Ji they talking about?

nice post. glad you didnt afford the title of Maharaja to him as a misguided section of the Sikh commintuy have done. chatanga

its very insulting and demaning to those who have suufered to call the freedom movement a drama. plz use wiser words. the real drama was the one we missed in 1947, and becuz of it we ended up under indian rule. chatanga

im a granthi hustler. nice post. chatanga

ascertain whether its him, then take the matter to the authorities in canida and un.

what can we do to make a real difference here? tell us what to do. chatanga

akito, we dont need a seperate state to practise our religion freely, but we need a seperate state to live freely. thats the key word here, "live". that what we are discussing . " freedom to live" dont give us any rubbish aboiut sikhs living freely in india. it never hapned after 1947. It is better to live 1 day as a free man than 100 days as a slave. you are telling us to look b4 84 , can i ask have you looked back to 1947? or b4 that? if you have then you will know that we have deep grieviances with what we ended up with. we were promised freedom b4 47 and we will not settle for less. 1984 and the khalistan movement all go back to independence, and becuz of the liars in delhi thousands of our people have been killed. chatanga

i dont think people discern that the gurdwara is 40 metres away jassa, it still part of the whole kahan das dera outfit. chatanga

thousands of sikhs were tortured and killed under indian rule. will this happen in khalistan ? NO under indian rule gurdwaras have been burnt. will this happen in khalistan ? NO Guru Granth Sahib desecrated . will this happen in khalistan ? NO sikh women paraded naked in thier villages by police. will this happen in khalistan ? NO sikh properties destroyed. will this happen in khalistan ? NO sikh religion falsey portrayed. will this happen in khalistan ? NO Guru Jee kurbaniya falsely portrayed as rebellion. will this happen in khalistan ? NO Panjabi language relegated behind hindi. will this happen in khalistan ? NO ravan sena aka panjab police free to beat and kill people. will this happen in khalistan ? NO fundamental human rights dismissed. will this happen in khalistan ? NO Khalistan is a necessity for the protection of the Sikh religion, people and nation. chatanga

Some of the stuff on the snatan website is oral tradition, whereas wot amritpal singh has presented is his khoj from texts which show the oral traditions to be not exactly wot they state to be. chatanga

i know where tha iron and hoover is you cheeky cow! The problem is I cant find where ive put my wife. chatanga

khushwant has always been a prat but the problem was our people gave him the ammo to call us terrorists. chatanga

talking bout raising funds for a gurdwara, i had 5 singh come to my house for collecting for beautifying of damdama sahib in bathinda. i asked them why cant sgpc do it themselves? they said sgpc are skint, i said thats rubbish. they have loads of money, and they get people like you( nishkam sewak jatha soho rd) to do repairs at your own expense then spend all their own money on stupid things or waste it on alcohol. i told him staright if i had any money i would not give you a penny, but i would give it to the families of the sikhs who have suffered since 1984. wy dont you forget beautifying damdama and give it to the poor sikhs. there are many orgs. that are spending the money on irrelelvant things when they could be spending it on neccessities. after 84 there has been a lot of loss for many sikhs, at least if we have the money it should be spent for ther help. chatanga

thats rubbish sunny!

Have you heard of iinocent until proven guilty sunny bond singh? Why kill Sandhu when there was only herasay against him? there was no proof that he had done any of the things you said, but he was envied by some of his comrades who talk rubbish like this to portray him as a cat. His thinking was years ahead of the other leaders in the field. chatanga

it went downhill from the murder of harminder singh sandhu. and correct me if im wrong, but the bki were behind that. chatanga

you wanna talk aboutn khalistan you got look at world events . since 9/11 no-one can really aford to indulge in terrorism especailly if they have a long term aim like us for Khalistan. The only way to go forward wiv this in thru parchaar, not jus in india but the whole world, and more importantly to the new generation of youths who havent even heard of operation bluestar. This fight has to be thru the pen. One of the first things we need to do , is to hood rememebrance progs in all gurdawaras about operation bluestar. And spread the message of Sant Jarnail Singh of Bhindran via his recordings audio and video. This should be done as quickly and as wide as possible. chatanga

sum quite ineresting points made there. Im surprised that Cristians in usa have actually heard of SIkhi. chatanga

any1 no how 2 get around dis?

"As I understand Nihang is mentioned in Bani as a state of mind of Gursikh, its not a sect or anything ..." these are the words i was trying to find in my small mind. Thanks. Baba Santa Singh Jee was forgiven by panth in 2002 and most if not all jathas and sapmrdaye welcomed this decision. we can remember Baba Jee stance and the damage it did to the panth but we shouldnt hold it against him forever. This way we will get no-where. The same thing wiv the Budha Dal. This argument will never end. We can all hope and pray that the next time, and there WILL be a next time, such a year like 1984 happens again the Nihangs Dals will play more of a role, of which we can all be proud of, and say wiv conviction " these are the beloved army of the Guru. chatanga

Well done Freed. Thats a very good answer to a very good question.

is it poss to downlaod this to burnto cd? chatanga

Yes Dasam Pita was a Nihang amongst other things.

Once when i had the good fortune of witnessing a class by Nihang Niddar Singh, I remember him saying " and all the Sikh Nihangs, HIndu Nihangs and Muslim Nihangs..." and i was reminded that there were hindus and muslims who time to time gave Guru Maharaaj Their support. I think Nihang Niddar Singh was emphasising here that Nihang could be anyone who was wthout desire, or fearless etc... But now Nihang seems to be anyone is is asaociated with the Budha Dal, Tarna Dal. chatanga

nihang means without desire gursikh means one who places the Guru order before his own mind. how to becoem a nihang? mmmmmm. i guess it means to lose your desire for seflifh reasons and to fight without fear for your Gurus order. duz this answer your q?