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Dr Ganda Singh writes that the Raj Karega Khalsa couplet is from Bhai Nand Lals Tankhah-nama. he further states that it was first sung during the times of Baba Banda Singh Bahadur. Hope this helps. chatanga

Khalsa Mero Roophai Khas is from Sarbloh granth. FACT. I have read it for myself many times. Raaj Karega Khalsa Im not too sure of but I think there a version of this in Twarikh Guru Khalsa by Giani Gian Singh. I could be wrong on that one though. Also the original tuk of that verse I have read was " raj karega Khalsa, Baqi rahe na koi. The Pure will survive- no others will exist. This was supposed to have changed after the british took over india to aaqi rahe na koi. Again here I could be wrong, but ceratinly please post if anyone else has come across this. chatanga

PLease do not use words like that against the Namdharis. Whatever our feelngs or understanding of them we have no right to call them monkeys just like they have no right to call us monkeys. Any problem we have with them should be discussed between ourselves first and then with representaatives of them. Dont make a mistake and rush in all angry and fired up. You will be the losers . Use your brains and use tactics will will ahve short term and long term benefits. You gonna cal them names aint gonna stop them doing nothing. Educate the Sikhs about whatthese people are doing first.

Although Baba Banda Singh Bahadur may not have had darshan of Dasam Guru Granth Sahib as a saroop , no doubt he had access to the main bani in it , which forms part of the nitnem , ardass and so on. When you mention the Sikhs of the 1980s , these people were infused wiv bir rass because of saint soldiers like Sant Jarnail Singh. If only we had someone like him today. May Akal bless those fine young men who gave thier lives for the freedom of the Sikh nation. May Akal bless us wiv the same spirit that we may be able to one day reach thier standards.

If its the "official " Taksal you are after then your searching will be much easier, cos there are many branches of the Taksal , some centuries old and some decades old. Its depends on yourself who you see as the Taksal. Some branhes of the Taksal do not interact much with each other. In ther Uk the only person I can think of is Giani Pritam Singh who has links with the jatha of Bhindran and the jatha of Bhindran Mehta. He lives in Southall. Failing that go to Panjab, to sato wlai galli in Amritsar or mehta or bhindran.

plz explain in more detail Great Death.

are you saying that one cannot wear a kirpan without first taking amrit? chatanga

why the dislike for baba dhumma? chatanga

plz make it clear when and where , or in which book, Bhai Randhir Singh questioned the taksal not being from Guru Gobind Singh ji. chatanga

Fateh Jee Sant jarnail Singh in his speeches stated that this taksal known popurlarly as the Taksalof Bhindra Mehat was first led by baba Deep Singh Jee. the Taksal themselves originally was in 2 jatha , one the damdama taksal of Baba Deep Singh and the Amritsar Taksal of Bhai Mani Singh. As far I know these two were the only Taksals started, although now I have a list of about 12 jathas of the Taksal branches, where studetns have branched out into other areas around Panjab and continued the tradition of teaching arth of guru Maharaj. No doubt the most heard of is the Taksal jatha now led by Baba Harnam Singh of Bhindran Mehta. Others taksal branches are more well known in thier localities. The Taksal deffo needs to step up its activities gieven the situation in Panjab these days, but from what I seen and heard of them they seem to be going thru a crisis, with internal splits and things. Hope they sort themselves out soon. The respected Giani Satnam Singh at our gurdwara said before commencing his katha, that " sangat Ji, I will only relay what the Guru has written for you, and after listening to it only then if you accept it, you may deposit maya on the stage, which will be used for gurmat parchaar. However I dont want anyone who isnt prepared to listen to what I say with an open mind offering maya just because others are doing so . " this i was very glad to hear. We need more people like this. chatanga

at the end of the day, I can only try to follow what my Guru has told me, and that is that idol worship is useless. man cannot create God thapia na jae. if someone believe that they can achieve union with the Lord through an idol, then what can you do? The Word is the true way to union. Gur ki murat shabad jane, the murat of the Guru is the WORD. dont get inot a sweat over it brothers, just keep following the word, and preaching Sikhi. chatanga

Initialy it was called Dasmey Patshah ka Granth = Volume of the tenth Guru. which was shortened to Dasam Guru Granth . chatanga

fateh to all If you want to ask Niddar Singh about his views, go to a place where he holds his shastarvidya classes. he will always take time out to talk to you. Ask him your questions abouts certain things he has stasted , like I did, and he will answer them. I never perceived any threat of violence from him, as i was told i would, but probably becasue i approached as someone wanting answers rather than a confrontation. He has always been well-mannered in his talking. AND before you ask, Im not a Niddar Singh fan. I do respect some of the things he stands for but certain things i dislike. Go and talk to him, he's in enough places up and down the uk. then report back to this site on what you think. chatanga

truuuu - BUT i jus wanna know what Badal dun wrong i dont kno nuff bout India's poltics ALSO I SHULD B in charge of Panjab hunna Badal was the chief minister in punjab in 1978. His akali counterparts in the punjab govt did not want the nirankaris to have thier meeting in amritsar. however the jan sangh colation partner of the akali in the same govt were in favour of the nirankaris having thier meeting in amritsar. they wannred badal that they would break the coalotion and therefore the punjab govt so he would lkose his cheif ministership if he went against the nirankaris. si in ordeer to save his chief minister ship he allowed the meeting to take place, and you all know what happened. he totallyt sold out the panthat that time, and the niranakari baba used a gvt vuehicle to escape amritsar, which badal knew of but kept queit. chatanga

Fateh what jassa is saying is correct. but his point is about knowledge or lack of it when it comes to Sikhi. lets say you have a 20 yera old who bows to Guru Jee, but understands nothing about Guru Ji. Then you give him the knowledgde and he understand about Guru Ji, so now the worship is on a higher level. He understands the Word. He douznt treat Guru Ji like a idol no more. Now take a 20 yera old hindu who worships murti, he dont know why he worship it, then if you tell him that this is what idol worship is about, do you think he will stop it? Unlikely. he will just carry on. Thats is the difference Jaasa. chatanga

fateh to all Aad Guru Darbar is our Guru. No-one cept Naamdharis deny that. But Dasam Guru Darbar is also our Guru. Without the teachings of which Sikhi would be completely different. Also forgive me in my last post i omitted that fact that Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh Jee's bani, which we know today as Dasam Guru Darbar, was already collected together in a granth. This Granth along with Vidya Sar Granth( pool of knowledge) along with other valuable manuscripts was lost crossing the Sirsa River when the Sikhs evacuated Anandpur Sahib. So the binding of the Dasam Guru Darbar was arranged before the binding of the Aad Guru Darbar, which may explain why Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh Jee did not include his own bani in Aad Guru Darbar at a later date. Victory to the panth.

At the time of Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh Jee's samai, the saroop of Dasam Guru Darbar was not in one volume. So Guru Maharaaj could not have given gurgaddi to the Dasam Guru Darbar at the time. Bhai Mani Singh after 16 years of searching for the bani of Guru Ji collected it and presented it to the Guru-panth. The Guru Panth accepted the Granth and henceforth prakash was done alongside Aad Guru Darbar. From then on it was not seperated, until the times of the Sgpc. And what a loss it has been for the panth,. very few gurdwaras have Dasam Guru Darbar present. Also when Amrit sanchaar was done, both Aad Guru Darbar And Dasam Guru Darbar were present. Now only Aad Guru Darbar is present unless you go to the Nihnag Singhs or the Taksal. Victory to the Panth chatanga