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  1. I have heard it was like a poison for aurangzeb who was said to have been struck with emotional torment after reading it .
  2. Which one of these ? Pakistan wants to destroy sikhi and is throwing drugs on the indian side of border . This was shown in movie "Udta Punjab". Indian govt is aware of pakistan doing it but couldn't care any lesser because it helps keep sikhs broken and pacified so they don't do another insurgency like the 80s. Indian govt is purposely doing it so as to destroy sikhi youth and thus destroy any rebellious tendencies so as to safeguard its own territorial integrity. Badal ke are involved. Its more of a social issue than a political one . And sellouts among sikhs and gangster elements responsible for drug menace
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    Ravidassia Sant

    Has anybody ever met a Ravidassia Sant? They usually wear all orange/peachy bana and I believe each of the Sants have their own Deras. I went to a friend's Akhand Paath and one of the Sants from this sect was there. His family members were devout followers of this particular Sant. I know this sect tried to break away from Sikhi at one point to create their own religion due to caste conflicts I believe? But this Sant was preaching for all to believe in Guru Granth Sahib Ji and nothing else. However, at the same time, after the Akhand Paath was over, I noticed a lot of families were gathering around him and matha taking/massaging his feet. The families would also have personal questions to ask him and I caught a glimpse of the Baba ji pulling out and studying what looked like an astrology chart and giving the families answers. This is the first time I've ever seen stuff like this before and I felt like it was not Gurmat. But then again I am not the most Gurmukh person in the world either so my opinion may be flawed. My friend seemed to be normal about all this stuff so I didn't say anything out of respect. However, do you guys know if the Ravidassia Sants are legit and if their practices are in line with Sikhi? I am not sure if other Sants do this kind of stuff as well. Any info would be much appreciated! Thank you!
  4. Those images of being sawn in two , crushed on wheel , scalped alive, boiled alive, burnt alive, chopped limb by limb , etc seems very painful. Did they physically feel that pain or as one hazur sahib singh told me that they would take their consciousness in Dasam dwar and would not feel any pain. First, if they did feel the pain , then that means Guru's mercy was not with them during their death moments ? But then on the other hand if they didn't feel pain , it means their martyrdom isn't that significant ? Or perhaps I think case could be they knew they would suffer too much but still surrendered themselves to executioners , but then when the tortures began , to their surprise, they couldn't feel it .
  5. Why is marriage between two different 'castes' within Punjabi Sikhs such a big deal? As Sikhs we aren't 'supposed' to put such a big weight on our ancestory/lineage/ (whatever you want to call it) during our normal day to day lives let alone marriage. But from the sangat of Punjabis around me, it isn't uncommon to hear conversations about how low castes are like this and that and high castes are like that and this. I've even heard people say they'd rather have their child marry out of race (culturally and religiously) than marry someone from a lower caste than them. (*Enter the 'Dafuq' meme here lol). So why is there such a big stigma against intercaste related marriages?
  6. After I am done reading the sikh history of 18th century , a feeling of dread envelops me . Its hard to explain but I feel like a state of panic . So many tyrants and so many torturous methods. Indeed superhero were the singhs and singhnia who survived all that ordeal . I can't even wrap my head around the fact that successive mughal governors of lahore , be it abdus khan , zakaria , yahya , mir mannu , all of them sliced , crushed between wheels, drowned , dragged to death the singhs . Yet, we somehow survived beyond the 18th century is indeed a miracle in itself. I feel very very depressing because there's so much of pain in sikh life of 18th century . I mean i can literally feel the pain and challenges that came with being as a sikh in that time period just by reading those historical books. Sikhs were without food , shelter , hunted like animals and dehumanized and declared outlaws. BUT the worse part , we didn't even get our fair share . Maharaja Ranjit singh established an empire with non-sikh majority in 1799 but less than a decade later Britishers were already in the picture. And within 50 years, that hard earned empire was lost. Its so hard to believe that thousands and thousands of sikh men , women and children bore torture and agonizing death for a period of self-rule so short. Heck , marathas and rajputs had it better without even a fraction of our sacrifices. What strange kind of justice god has . We atleast deserved 500 years of self rule for so much of blood paid. I don't understand what god was thinking. now you know why its depressing.
  7. Due to some of our youth not being that knowledgeable of the faith. They may sometimes comes across questions or queries from muslims and Christians about Sikhism. I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread where we can give examples of answers to Muslims questions. Will add more later. 1) If Sikhism is a true or right religion. Why does it only have 30 million followers? Answer Sikhism is a 500 year old religion. It is not a new faith but a very old one which goes back centuries. But why only 30 million? in that space of time. Why has Sikhism not grown like other faiths. Why do other not want to become Sikhs. Its is no exactly a new faith but one that has been around since the 15th century. It is because in its 500 year history, never have we tried to convert anyone to the faith. In that space of time we could have converted millions if we really wanted to. But from the very first day of faith there has never been any attempt to even preach the faith to others as we believe in freedom of faith. Not imposing our religion on others. If we preached the faith more and converted. There would easily be 100 to 150 Million Sikhs today and that is a conservative estimate. But we are not a religion that trys to convert others, that is why there are only 30 million Sikhs today and that number is people willfully becoming Sikhs. We are proud to only be 30 million.
  8. Are there any gurmat orientated matrimonial websites? Thanks
  9. Like how the Sikh community has always had a sweet tooth for anti muslim sentiment, however half of the villains of sikh history are hindoos and there're many muslim heroes too like Peer Buddhu shah , Malerkotla nawab and so on . Its funny how blinded we 're . We were fed with tripe like "Nau maas da rishta" (the relationship of hindus and sikhs is like nail and cuticle) lol When infact the hindoos prolly laugh at your backs and use you as a convenient tool when required and throw you again in the corner of the shed when they're done . List : Lakhpat rai (responsible for one of the largest genocide in sikh history) Suchanand Gangu Chandu and many more .
  10. Ughh its a hindu look alike of Harmandar sahib in amritsar , in amritsar. Recently they covered it with gold fully Also hindoos have managed to twist Badals arms into providing similar front heritage walk for durgiana temple as it was recently for harmandar sahib Reminds me of Gulab Singh of Jammu and other such DOGras who must have twisted Ranjit singh's arms into giving them autocracy . When they asked us for it , we gave them , and when we asked for it from hindoos , these bloody rats gave us bullets .
  11. Sometimes I wonder the events of '84 can't go without its long term repurcussions for india. The law of karma states if you do something bad to someone, bad will happen to you. Often , the longer the time between sin and its comeback, the more the punishment. I wonder sometimes if the current political scenario of North korea vs US one one front and India vs China and some future unseen scenario could lead things to escalate such that the countries responsible for human carnage will have to payback their karma. I heard one prophecy where china and russia marches onto india . My mom used to say that elders during her time said "there will come a time when you would only see a burning lamp only several miles away" -- which to me sounds like an aftereffect of severe nuclear war. what do you guys think ? sikhs are destined to get hold over india in future ?
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    Paath

    Wjkk wjkf I am so sick and tired of my life. My mother hates me so much she wants the worst thing to happen to me no mother ever want for her child that's what she wants I just hate my life I have loved her so much as a child but she has done nothing but given me badua and hatred. Now She talks to my uncle and he does so much paath and seva whatever he say happens and he said I will tell waheguru not to listen to your paath to me now o I stop doing paath if waheguru won't listen to it? I hate my life I got no one who I can call my own o really need advise please
  13. Mughals forcing islam on sikhs need not be narrated. everyone knows it , but whats not known is if Christians during british empire forced xianity onto sikhs . In other areas of india, such as goa , there were inquisitions set up by Portuguese officials , when they were ruled by portugal. But it seems britishers even though christians were opposed to such barbarism and at times intervened against it . I read somewhere that in punjab during british empire, sikh officers were promised higher pay and promotions if they converted to christianity , but is there any record of force being used , as in torture, or even attempts to undermine sikhism ? I mean something enforced by british empire as such
  14. https://www.thequint.com/news/india/sikh-inspector-protects-muslim-man-from-angry-mob-in-uttarakhand
  15. i am 18 years old, pursuing computer engineering in a well reputed college in mumbai. i have always had cool friends and supporting parents. but, i've never been a staunch believer in religion. i always find religion to be pointless, following what some person(s) said/wrote hundreds or thousands or years ago and having to follow their rules and the way they want us to lead our lives just doesn't seem right to me at all. i've been smoking weed since a year, and quite regularly. my grades are not affected by,and i've not been as irritable i was since a long time. i never intended to let my parents know about me smoking pot, but nowadays the paranoia associated with weed is taking over the better of me sometimes because of the guilt i feel hiding it from my parents. i have many friends who smoke weed and all of them are really nice people, so why should what i do in my personal life be associated with my morality?i really feel smoking weed isn't bad for me but i don't wanna live in hiding from my parents.i am a turbaned sikh and my parents are really good role models, just that i do not believe in the same things as me. is there any way i can come off to them and tell them about me smoking the jane?
  16. What if I told you that the slavery on sikh people is because of something we did not do , and that in the long run there's one quick fix to more than half of the issues sikhs face today. And that quick fix is this : 1) Higher rate of reproduction, 2) Proselytization , 3) Preaching to orphans .' 1) Higher rate of reproduction In the latest indian census, Sikhs as a group were the ones who had the lowest fertility rate. It means Sikhs are having lesser children than hindus or muslims. Not surprisingly , muslims had the highest fertility rate . Whenever I encouraged Sikhs to have more kids per couple, the usual nonsensical , condescending reply I got was one of the following : 1) Muslims are R-type species, while Sikhs are K-type . In plain words, it means we prefer quality over quantity . However the argument is rather ludicrous . Sikhs of today can't claim the good, old , oft-boasted "1 sikh = 125000 enemies" . Its a no-brainer our people have anything but quality. Would the people who make such ludicrous argument would rather be happy if Sikhs became an exotic, rare-to-be-found community like the zoroastrians . Money of all the world , but no future to look to . 2) Muslims have multiple wives , so it makes it easier for them. Ok, fine , but what about the christians rapid growth-rate in india ? They manage to get a heavy majority in many north eastern states without having multiple wives. Their sword is capturing the orphans and the needy. I have always asked Sikhs what stops us from having more than 1,2 kids per couple ? I never got a satisfactory answer. Its a fact that in a democracy your numbers dictate your political power. In every country , there're the sell-outs , the leftist who will pander to you and your needs , only if you have the votes. As the saying goes, "either be a note bank or a vote bank" . Else politicans couldn't care less about you . We see it in europe, we see it in india and elsewhere. Its a fact, when will out simple sikhs realize this ? The reason politicians don't pander to sikhs is because we hardly make a mark in their political votebank. The votebank of pandering goes like this : One would think its a common sense that the number of kids once have will have a domino effect once you go down generations , something like this : In the first case, the so called nuclear family , look at the degrading domino effect which is suicidal for a sikh population . In the second case, its merely maintaining the population. The 300% growth rate actually happens in third case If you think I am being ridiculous , lets not forget our gurus too had atleast 3 kids . Guru Gobind Singh ji had 4 children. And the sikhs after that had even higher number of children , some as high as 12 or 15. The reason muslim population is so successful and causes terror in hearts of those who wish them ill is because of their humongous birth rate. Just look at how many kids the famous saudis had , you will be shocked ! 2) Proselytization This is another place where we're totally nullied ourselves. We like to preach that we don't preach ! I guess this is another fukra symptom in our community that we just wanna sound good to outsiders, esp amongst the elite , and give ourselves an exotic feel in front of people . However the Sikh gurus themselves had manji system in punjab which were nothing but centers of preaching. 3) Preaching to Orphans Why should we not preach to orphans ? Forcible conversion is against sikhi, however if christians can raise kids under them as christian , why we despite so much money can't pull sikh orphanages to sikhi-ize kids out there. Infact we're doing their halat-palat good , meaning now and the hereafter good by raising them and preaching them sikhi. Having said this , I think there's a great probability most of those young sikh men would just cut off their hairs and turbans off once they grow up . I think sikhi by its nature is not meant to be followed by the masses, esp vast majority of men who find the uncut hair , uncut facial hair and turbans uncomfortable.
  17. NOTE: This post is a work in progress Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Often times I hear Non-Sikhs bring up common arguments against Sikhi, and as someone who likes to create a lot online resource hubs for Sikhs, I am taking it upon myself to create a list of Q/A's. I recently got a series of arguments (posing as questions) from an anonymous user on the Sikh Reddit who was allegedly Ex-Sikh. He frequently made references to Islam, and also claimed that he had done a lot of research on his "questions", yet the questions themselves seem as if they are taken from wikipedia or some anti-sikh site. Here are some of the arguments I would like to debunk: Q: If Sikhi is against the Caste System, then why are their Caste based Gurdwara's? A: Anyone can just create a "Gurdwara" and install their own beliefs into it, that doesn't make it valid. The key part here is that this cannot be supported by the actual theology of Sikhi, and all the main Gurdwara's still allow people of lower-caste to enter. All of these so called "caste Gurdwara's" are also not backed by the Akal Takth, and are not recognized by the Khalsa Panth. Q: Why were the Gurus themselves all from the Khatri caste and married within their own caste despite preaching against such barriers? A: The very premise of this question is incorrect, Guru isnt from the Khatri caste becuase the concept of caste itself is invalid. There is no evidence to suggest that caste was involved in the marrage decision, and neither was any proposal rejected due to caste. Furthermore, the Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji itself contains writings from people of different "castes" and backgrounds. When the Guru created the Khalsa Panth, the Panj Pyare were from different occupations, locations, and families, the entire concept of the Khalsa itself destroys the caste system. If the Guru was secretly supporting the caste sustem, he would have not created the Khalsa and passed on the Guruship. Gurbani itself is the Guru, and its anti-caste message is very clear, but it's some food for thought. Q: How about the succession of the Gurus? How do we go from the 4 first being chosen by merit and from different lineage, then suddenly it turns into a system of monarchy resulting in the succession of Guru Harkrishan Ji at such a young age who also passed away at a young age. A: "Nepotism" is defined as: The practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs. A lot of people like to accuse the Guru of being Nepotistic, and use it to bring down Sikhi by stating the successors of the Guru were not truly worthy of the title. The next Guru was never chosen on the basis of nepotism, and was always chosen based on Merit, the Guru tested each of his followers to see if they were worthy of the title of Guru. We are all just vessels filled with the same light, "family" is an illusion, we are all One. Although some of the Gurus did pass the Guruship on to their human sons, many did not, and even if they did, it was becuase their sons just happened to pass the test.If Sikhi allowed Nepotism, then why didnt Guru Nanak Dev Ji or many of the other Guru's pass it on to their children? Guru Nanak could have easily made Sri chand or Lakhmi Das the next Guru, the same applies with Guru Gobind Singh ji who did not have to let any of his sons sacrifice themselves for Sikhi, and could have asked them to not give Shaheedi. The fact that Guru Gobind Singh Ji established the Khalsa in 1699 before the death of all his human offsprings shows that he was going to stop the line of Human Guru's anyways. The ultimate argument against nepotism in Sikhi is the fact that the Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji & the Khalsa Panth were made the eternal Guru. Hypothetically, even if the Guruship was passed down based solely on Nepotism, I would have no problem with it becuase it is the Guru's decision and looking back at history and how each Guru lives his life, I can say the Guru made the perfect decision. As for Guru Harkrishan Ji, the reason the Guru chose the vessel of a young boy was to show that spirituality isnt affected by age, and even a child can attain liberation. The reason Guru Harkrishan Ji physically passed away at such a young age was to exemplify shaheedi, it makes no sense for the Guru to go around curing other people of small pox, yet die from it himself. Q: why has Sikhi remained confined for the most part to the Punjabi population? A: Sikhs dont go out and actively convert people like people of Abrahamic theologies do, the Sikh community is also generally very young compared to others. This issue is already starting to change, there are already hubs of non-punjabi Sikhs thriving in places like America, Indonisia, UK, Canada, etc, and we just need time. Q: Why did/are some Sikhs converting to other religions, if Sikhi is supreme, then why would people leave it? A: The message itself is supreme, but the people themselves are not. The argument of people leaving/joining a certain religion can be made for any group. The larger abrehamic religions are the ones that generally have a higher turnover rate compared to easter Dharams. Q: why hasn’t history seen Gurus with a similar message in the West or other corners of the world? A: There are other people with similar messages, there's even some new relgion in the west called "Eckankar" which is very similar to Sikhi on certain aspects. Gurbani also contains Bani from a lot of people who lived before the physical arrival of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, who's Bani is inline with Gurmat. Q: Why is Gurbani repetitive? A: I dont know if your reading the english translation or something, but in Gurmukhi the way certain words are used has a different meaning depending on the context. Furthermore, Gurbani is also multilayered, and speaks to the mind during its different states. As for repetitiveness in message, it's important becuase Humans learn from repetition, when you were a child, your parents had to constantly call you by your name so you remember it, etc. Gurbani is not like the abrehamic texts, it is not divided by chapters, but rather by Music. Gurbani does not have dedicated sections for certain topics, becuase as a Sikh our job is not to pick and choose what we want to learn, the Guru teaches us what we need, and the format Gurbani is written in ensures its multi layered and speaks to different people at different stages in their spiritual journey. The fact that there are other Bhagats whose Bani is inline with the Guru, reinforces the Oneness of the message of Sikhi. Q: Why did the Gurus have multiple wives? At least with Islam there is a specific guidelines prescribed, a lot of Sikhs like to argue based on emotion rather than historical evidence. A: The narrative that the Gurus were polygamists is highly contestable on the basis of historical analysis, not emotion. "The story of Guru Har Rai having married seven wives, who were all sisters, is found only in one MS of Suraj Prakash and is written on unpaged leaves which are clearly an interpolation. Unfortunately this copy became the basis of the editions nowadays in vogue. Other copies mention only one marriage. Mahima Prakash, which is much older than this book, also mentions only one wife. See on this point the annotation of Bhai Vir Singh on Suraj Prakash" -Dr. Ganda Singh, Baba Teja Singh; 'A Short History of the Sikhs,' vol. i, pg. 48. Here is a good post discussing this issue As for Islam, providing specific guidelines, I hope you realize that it also provides guidelines to beat ones wife, among many other things... Q: Why so much debate over a simple matter of canon scriptures (the Dasam Granth which oddly enough contains 2 of the prayers forming the Nitnem) A: There isnt "so much" debate over this. the Anti-Dasam granth crowd is a vocal minority, and the Dasam Granth is accepted by the Khalsa Panth as a whole, and even backed by the Akal Takth. Furthermore, the Debate that does happen isnt about the nitnem banis from Dasam Granth (Jaap Sahib, Tav Prasad Savaiye, Chaupai Sahib). Overall, Sikhs have still preserved their scriptures far better than many others, and the Quran itself was never even written down by Muhammad, Jesus never wrote the Bible, etc... Q: Why is there such a controversy over vegetarianism vs meat eating? Why didnt the Guru lay our a clear guideline? A: This wasn't really an issue before the start of the modern day meat industry, but we as a community have turned it into an issue. Sikhs historically ate meat, this is a fact, the reason there is a big vegetarian movement in the Sikh community is mainly due to the modern day meat industry and the idea that Sikhs dont really need meat anymore becuase they have so many more alternatives. As for the actual theology regarding this issue, its already clearly laid out by the Guru: Sikhs are to refrain from Halal Meat, if a Sikhs is to hunt or eat meat, then they must follow the Jhatka Maryada set up by the Guru. More information and sources can be found at jhatkamaryada.com Q: Why are Sikhs encouraged to be critical thinkers, yet told not to ask questions? A: People are getting two concepts confused: its ok to question the Guru similar to how a student questions a teacher, however its discouraged to question for the sake of trying to create an arguement or disruption. Final Thoughts A deep underlying issue that motivates a lot of these arguments is the idea that if Sikhi is true, then why would it not also temporally reign supreme, and why would "bad things" happen to Sikhs if they are morally correct? The answer to this is the simply: Hukam, and the fact that "good" and "bad" dont really exist. However, the issue here is that others will see this as a cop out. I am interested in developing a more indepth response to this strain of thought. Any recommendations? Feedback If you have any suggestions, please let me know any way you can, you can also email me at TheTurbanatore@gmail.com or contact me via Reddit at reddit.com/u/TheTurbanatore
  18. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Recently, there was a big protest along the Israel border, and people on both sides got killed. While the Israel-Palestine conflict isnt new, I have started to see a lot of vocal Sikhs, such as Samsher Singh (Anandpur Exile), Harman Kaur, Sikh Talk, etc support Palestine. I find it interesting how some Sikhs support palestine, yet also advocate for Khalistan. I would just like to state that I personally am not choosing a side as I feel that I do not know enough about this situation, however I will say that both sides are not innocent and have blood on their hands. On one side, Israel is occupying lang, on the other side, Hamas is refusing to even negotiate and is calling for the death of Jews. From a Sikh perspective, it is like beef to a hindu or pork to a muslim to steal what rightfully belongs to someone else, however it's also immoral to want to exterminate an entire race. I just want to make it clear that Im just asking a genuine question, and dont support either sides. With that being said, What does the Sikh Community think of the Israel-Palestine Conflict?
  19. WJKK WJKF ji, I'm an international student in US who used to be a really good student in Science. I came here to study strong fields of Computer Science which required to sell all property we had in India and also take debt. My parents only saw my dreams and sold all the property. After coming in the US, (I got into a few prestigious universities like UWaterloo) but chose an affordable one. The university is really for-money only and no education was found. I felt like cheated but couldn't do anything. I had no idea which University I should transfer to. I felt confused. I accepted it as Maharaj's Bhaana and attended this college. It's going to be almost an year. Really bad things happened with me I asked so many professors that I'm doing a research in making a device for blind people and various other interests I shared. All of them heavily discouraged me all the time. In classes, I was pointed out all the time. The professors wanted me to praise them for some reason, I felt like. All my internal peace and confident got murdered. This semester, I went through a financial hardships. I am only eating once in 2 days since the last 3 months. I've been trying really really hard to stay alright. But the professors killed all my confidence and self esteem. I have exams coming up and I'm so low I couldn't even study. Everything is failing. I have no idea what to do. I got a job but the Starbucks manager asked me to cut my beard which is hard although I used to trim it before. Everytime I try, the financial issue always comes up. I felt like I couldn't tie turban. I'm so poor after paying thousands of dollars in international & out-of-state tuition. I really wanted to ask my veer and bhenjis to please suggest me something. I'm really going through tough time. I've been in a situation where a large part of my funding is taken while returned nothing in education. I've been murdered internally. Please help.
  20. Do ya like him? Is he a good role model? Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thesoormasingh/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk6OyQb-di2QHTa7WeWBjFQ
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    Taking amrit

    I am thinking of taking amrit. But I'm worried on one side as I have been in love with this Sikh guy and can't stop thinking about him. I'm worried what if I take amrit still have feelings for him.but not lustful feelings but in love with him still is that Okay? Also what banks should amritdhari read? Can I speak in English to panj pyaare? When a women is on her month can she wear kachi then kachera? Many thanks in advance
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    Dad verbally abusing mum

    My dad occasionally gets angry with my mum in arguments (and they always argue) and resorts to swearing at her and shouting her and my mum is defenseless. And he has in the pas the gone for me and tried to hit me when I was a lot younger. I'm amritdhari now so I have to be conscious of my actions and words. Usually when my dad does this I listen it and the first time he shouts I'll allow it but after 2 times I go and intervene but then he starts getting angry and shouts at me and at this point he looks like he's about to nuts. If has a go at me Idc but if he's having a go at my mum or sister or whoever then I can't see that happen. Can I have a go at him in return if the situation plays itself out or not? thanks sangat jio
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