A Healthy Balanced Diet!

[Akaal Purakh Di Fauj]

Ahhh Bhai Randip Singh, jathedhar of the dead carcass eaters krew

The subject relating to the nutritional value of the non-vegetarian foods falls into a sphere of medical science.  The Medical views in this respect are varied.  Some doctors are of the opinion that flesh of animals has more of A-class proteins and thus their intake helps in bringing strength to the body.  As contrary to it, the other medical view is that the flesh as food is unnatrual for the human body.  Its consumption by humans leads to the deterioration of their gums, digestive system and blood pressure.  Here are a few similar medical opinions:

1.) "Meat is an unnatural food.  Its consumption leads to a number of diseases e.g. fistula, tb etc.  At the moment meat-eating is known to be the cause of 99% of the diseases of the world." Dr Joseph Old Field

2.)"Meat eating leads to headache, constipation, heart lesion, loss of vitality and a number of other disorders." Dr W.H.L Chen

3.) A Fistula specialist Dr. Well writes in his book that every year about 255 million peole in the whole world die of fistula.  Their number in england and wales is as much as 30,000.  And the major reason behind this is their habit of flesh eating

However, medical opinions keep changing everyday.  In practice we can see that neither all the flesh eater are fit and healthy nor all the vegetarians are unhealthy.  The truth is that flesh eaters may look more fleshy and plump but the non flesh eaters have been observed to possess greater strength of body and mind to encounter adversities.

To some extent it is essential to accept and adopt the medical advise for the maintenance of the health of the body.  However, only this earthen vessel is not the body.  The real body is a component of five material elements with the divine soul dwelling in it.  And this soul is the top most important part of the body.  Without it the body cannot exist.  Whereas it is essential to maintain health and strength of the outward body, it is simultaneously the basic responsibility of man to maintain strength of his soul.  Thus only that type of food deserves to be classed as nutritional which strengthens body and mind or soul both.

The research and knowledge of the medical science is limited to the earthen body only.  They have no knowledge of the soul.  Thus their recommendations pertain only to outward material part of the body.  To get the flesh food the killing of animated beings is inherent.  This barbarous action results in depriving the mind of its divine and noble qualities and hence it becomes weak and timid. The body with a timid mind is worthless in spite of its robust physical nature.

I will finish this of later for you BHAI randip singh, but before you reply, please engage that brain which waheguru blessed you with :lol:

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Here we go again with BHAI Rajinder Singh the EMPTY carcass, and throwing rotting Gajjar's and Moolee's at people who don't share his extreme point of view.

Mate you have a problem with meat eater's. I do not. The Guru's do not. The Sikh holy texts do not! Scientists do not!

You want to follow the teachings of your Jatha then thats fine with me, but don't try and make me swallow that.

Vegetarianism is cool in my eyes and so is eating meat. Neither will affect anyone spiritually.

As for health, like I said, as an athlete and power lifter I have experimented with all diets. Even Vegan at one time. The one that suited me was 2/3 rd's veg to 1/3 lean meat. As a result, despite prolonged lay off, and a severe injury (which meant I gained weight), my health, cholestrel etc is 100% a OK!

Thanks

PS if you insist on insulting me I will reply in kind!

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:umm: so dear brother do you want me to finish of my post. I have some more very interesting points to make

and im not following any teachings of any jatha :umm: just the teachings of Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj.

btw how can i be an empty carcass a carcass means an animal which is dead.......mmmm, the last time i checked I was alive

[H4RPAL]

Palamrinders comments don't seem as dubious as you make them out to be ( I might be wrong). The section of your article shows lentils etc are an adequate replacement for meat, as they are classed in the same category.

He then suggests lentils have lower fat ( not neccessarily using the article as a basis for this view, as this issue is not commented upon at all within it) and as such in his opinion he sees them as superior to meat.

If you read the post again, he quotes "That is true.... lentils are equivalent to meat BUT with less fat..... So i guess they are superior to meat which has plenty of other disadvantages...."

The only bit I sense him quoting from the article is regarding the notion that lentils are a substitute to meat, the rest I gathered was from his own opinions, and the last comment certainly was an opinion based one.

Perhaps he could shed some light as to what exactly was suggested by his comment.

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No,

What the article is saying is eat foods of all these types with less fat!

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Thank you I can read! The article is not suggesting eat every food they give you, as you are aware, they give you a selection as an example so people can choose. Now, the earlier poster was suggesting ( in my opinion- he hasn't clarified ) that from the list given, and the statement that lower fat options should be taken , he would class lentils as better than meat, as they more succesfully fulfil the criteria the article describes ( ie they are in that class of food, and are lower fat [according to the poster] ).

Like I said in my opinion I think you mistook his comments as trying to outsmart you, when I don't believe this was the case, so there was no need for your statement about him trying to decieve you, like there was no need for you explain the blindingly obvious to me.

Maybe take a cooler view at these things, and don't think people are always arguing with you. Not everyone has a personal feud with you, or is trying to catch out your English reading abilities.

EDIT: (BTW the post by Palamrinder was posted while i was writing, so i was unaware of his stance during this message)

[curious_man]

seems to be another meat debate

[randip singh]

I am not as eloquent as you veer randip... but i guess veer harpal has elaborated my fact..... If you can get equal amount of nutrients from lentils, which are in same category as meat, then why kill a creature? just for your taste buds? There is nothing in meat that can't be subsituted by vegetarian diet. Even nature tries to stop people from eating meat by producing diseases as mad cow disease and latets one, bird flu disease.... Has anyone heard of such diseases coming from plants?

Fateh

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Are you trying to imply that every vegetarian dish tastes horrible and that is why you eat it? I suggest that you should not eat any vegetarian dish that titilates your taste buds! :lol: :TH:

As for meat tasting good...so wrong.For example, I hate steak, but used to eat it for vitamin B12 occaisionally.

to quote again:

All types of meats are included in this category and red meat is an excellent source of iron and vitamin B12, but try to choose the leaner cuts and trim off all visible fat before cooking. Lentils, nuts, peas and beans are also in this food group. Try to use lower fat versions of all these foods whenever possible..

All are a good source of vitamin b12, but for me and 99% of seriously competing athlete's they find meat to be the best source and most easily assimilated.

So now nature is trying to stop people,,,,actually it is not nature, but man's un-natural interference....feeding cows animal by products has lead to mad cow.........keeping chickens in enclosed unhygenic conditions has led to bird flu..........so you are wrong there.

In the same way farming for your taste buds on large scale, has led to decimation of animal habitats. The killing of insects and worms to plough up fields, again for your taste busds, and sprayying crops with pesticides to kill millions of poor insects for your taste buds..........unatural behaviour or what?

Actually kidney beans produce toxins as a response to being cooked....they don't like it and try to poison the eater. Ever heard of the Punjabi term "Baaee" in refrence to food. No well find out!

[randip singh]

:umm: so dear brother do you want me to finish of my post.  I have some more very interesting points to make

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Free forum...you carry on dearest of dear Brothers!

and im not following any teachings of any jatha :umm: just the teachings of Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj.

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So am I!

btw how can i be an empty carcass a carcass means an animal which is dead.......mmmm, the last time i checked I was alive

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Work it out! Are you alive? :lol:

[randip singh]

Thank you I can read! The article is not suggesting eat every food they give you, as you are aware, they give you a selection as an example so people can choose. Now, the earlier poster was suggesting ( in my opinion- he hasn't clarified ) that from the list given, and the statement that lower fat options should be taken , he would class lentils as better than meat, as they more succesfully fulfil the criteria the article describes ( ie they are in that class of food, and are lower fat [according to the poster] ).

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May do, but I have found them to be a poor source of Vitamin B12, and difficult for the body to assimilate.

And you can have different types of lentils (no doubt you are aware of this).

Like I said in my opinion I think you mistook his comments as trying to outsmart you, when I don't believe this was the case, so there was no need for your statement about him trying to decieve you, like there was no need for you explain the blindingly obvious to me.

Maybe take a cooler view at these things, and don't think people are always arguing with you. Not everyone has a personal feud with you, or is trying to catch out your English reading abilities.

EDIT: (BTW the post by Palamrinder was posted while i was writing, so i was unaware of his stance during this message)

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Well I think Palminder's post sum's up what I was getting at!

PS sorry to be abrupt!

[palamrinder]

Well I think Palminder's post sum's up what I was getting at! 

PS sorry to be abrupt!

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I guess i'm too dumb to understand what you implying to say?

Were you getting at the fact that lentils are better alternative to meat products for nutrients? Because thats what i was trying to say. I guess veer harpal has put better words to my views.

Fateh

[randip singh]

I guess i'm too dumb to understand what you implying to say?

Were you getting at the fact that lentils are better alternative to meat products for nutrients? Because thats what i was trying to say. I guess veer harpal has put better words to my views.

Fateh

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You are not dumb...far from it....you are very clever and coy!

All you are trying to do is bash meat eaters. It won't work!

I know a little bit about sports and nutrition based on the following:

1) My Grandad was an Olympian

2) My father too was a top sports man

3) My uncles and his friends all doctors and body builders, and powerlifters, who's friends are some of the top nutritionists in the country.

All have taught me a little about nutrition.

Pound for pound, to compete at the top level a balanced diet is needed, unless you are an exception like Carl Lewis (who is a vegan). You will not achive peak physical performance on Lentils (if thats what you think). Lentils will keep you healthy, I concede, but you will always be at a disadvantage to someone who has a full balanced diet.

The key is to eat fresh food, and not processed stuff.

I myself always buy food freash from our local farm. I recommend you do too.

PS Lentils are definitely NOT better than the other groupings of foods. Do some research from unbiased sites, and you will find out.