Pheena

"God helps those who help themselves" Do not forget the power of your Actions. Your effort is in that one step towards him and he takes thousand steps towards you.

You can read the rest here: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/exe.html

Do you exist? that alone is sufficent proof.

First of all deal with your anger. Are you a terrorist? If not then, instead of getting angry or upset, laugh at their ignorance because even their insults are based out of their ignorance. Yes it is difficult, but redirect your anger. It is often when the other tries to insult you they are tring to agitate you or make you lose your temper. If you do so then they have succeded. It is not a matter to them if they think you are a terrorist or not. That is not their goal, it is just to pick on you and make you upset so they can feel better about themselves. They lack what you obviuosly have, this is their way of dealing with their own weakness by picking on people. Your anger itself gives them a sign that what they say is working. The more you get angry the more they taunt you because they know they are succeding in their taunts. A suggestion....start doing Jap while at school, not necessarily outloud but under your breath...continue it thruout their taunts....if your mind erupts with rage or anger, know that your Jap is lacking. If throughout this ordeal your mind still remains content, know that your Jap was succesful. Strenght is not only shown by muscles, but also through tolerance and being able to contain that serenity of peace within yourself regardless of what happens on the outside.

good thoughts

"My heart has become capable of every form: It is a pasture for gazelles, And a monastery for Christian Monks, And a temple for idols, And the pilgrim's Ka'ba, And the tablets of the Torah, And the Book of the Qur'an. I follow the religion of Love: Whatever was Love's camel takes, That is my religion and faith" SHAYKH FADHLALLA HAERI

Sevak ji, How many elements is the rib made out of? If the body (including the rib) is made of 5 elements then anything that is made out of the rib is made out of 5 elements as well no?

In my personal opinion the Gnostics are the missing link of mysticism in Christianity that is ever present the Eastern Religions. One should take a good look at the Gnostics, sure they are controversial because they paint a picture that the Bible does not. But that does not mean the Gnostic Scrolls should not be considered when one is going to take a look into the teachings of Jesus. Personally i think those from the Eastern Religions will find a greater connection with Jesus after reading the Gnostics than they will reading the Bible, but as always the conclusion is obviuosly left to the reader. But if you wish to keep this topic in the field of Mainstream Bible, then certainly that is fine with me. here is a link to the intro of Gnostics http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlintro.html

i suggest those who are curious look more into the Gnostic Gospels of Jesus. read the rest here http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/sjc.html

They are some tricksey missionaries. Here is one of their tactics. So lets say I go there with an illness and ask for help. They would b emore than willing to help me...so they give me a "sugar pill" as medicine and tell me to recite your name for God, so I (a simple farmer) be like ok i'll start doing Waheguru. So i do taht for about a week and no results. I'd go back to them and say nothing happened, so then they give me a real medicine and would tell me to recite Jesus's name. Well it is obvious that the real medicine is going to cure whatever illness i might have. So now is when they make their move about how their lords name cured your illness and not yours. It is a Pathetic tactic targeted towards the uneducated and the poor people.

@ that was truely an amazing post.

from fridakot teeka:

Stop the Hit and Run strategy and then perhaps we can have a good discussion. Reply to the point made by others in this thread. .

When you see such events happening, what exactly is the state of you heart/mind?

The Guru is not limited instead it is our thinking of who and what the Guru is that is limited. The Guru spoken above is pointing towards God. God is Shiva the Destroyer, God is Vishnu the Sustainer, God is Brahma the Creator. God is Paarvati the Mother. I don't see the word Lakshmi in that sentence. The link below goes into a bit of detail and is more oriented towards a universal mindest. It compares the translations done by Dr. Santoak Singh and the write of the article who insists that the paarvati maa mentioned is the Adi Shakti. Although i find the writer to be somewhat forceful in his persuasion, but it does give a good comparison to decide for yourself. http://www.adishakti.org/meeting_his_messe...uru_nanak_1.htm If you consider that God is everything, then he is all that which is created.

Sometimes we need such events to examine our mind. To see if we can be in the company of drunks or what not and be still at peace within. Who knows you might meet someone there who is in similar situations you are in or you might strike a conversation with someoen who wwould want to attend your next meeting with your friends doing simran and kirtan. Don't run away from such event, be within them but not with them. Take it as a test for your mind.

exactly, so is my instinct what Waheguru is telling me, or is it my mind? 146613[/snapback] Your instinct are not always correct, as far as i can share with you, this instinct you speak of must be developed to tune into the divine guidance. You cannot assume or be assured that whatever the instincts you have are for the better, but once that trust in God is developed, so is the Trust in yourself. Make a decision in his rememberance, before you take a step remember him. There are but 1000 thoughts and out of those thousand thoughts there is 1 thought that is the voice of your Inner Guru. The instinctive feeling or guidance arises from this voice. Your inner voice. Now how can be sure that the voice we hear is the voice of the Guru trying to guides. I am not sure if there is a way to determine this with some rules or whatnot. But i can tell you that once that voice or instinct comes thru you will know and your recoganition of this instinct or voice is dependent on your sincerity in your prayer to have this gift of insight. Pray that you are able to recoganise and distinguish the instinct from the thousands of other thoughts and feelings.

Jagmeet ji, im a male not a female...but its ok, you ar enot the first to be confused by the name. born once, its been 24 years thanks all.

veer what is the purpose of this quote? Are you implying that the man she loves is a adultere or full of Lust?

good post rsingh. Here is how I undersand it. The Ocean which the soul is gona have to cross is the ocean of our attachment to that soul. If we keep calling the soul back, the amount of attachment we have towards it will also hinder its progress and will make it difficult for it to move forward. The family also needs to let go...tears in this instant simply signify the amount of attachment we have towards that individual.

It seems he/she has accepted their error and apologized and the reason you cannot concentrate in your nitnem is because now it is you who needs to forgive them. Learn to forgive others, if you cannot forgive others then no one will forgive you. Learn to open your heart to Forgiveness and Compassion, rediret your pain into forgiveness. If the God within you was hurt due to their error, then the God within them deserves your Forgiveness. God Forgivess, for he has give you this body time and time again, he has given you another life once more, even after the thousands of blunders we must have comitted. How many times we have thrown back the gifts he has given to us, in our ignorance we made many many errors, do you thing God held a grudge? Is the God you praise a Forgiving God? Do you not seek Forgiveness from God when you comit an error? If we don't learn to forgive, then how do we expect God to forgive us when we make a mistake? This is but a small step in Forgiveness and to me this is an ideal situation where the other has realized their mistake and apologized. Not everyone will be apologetic. Most will not care or they will inflict harm intentionally be prepared for such people by learning to forgive now. "If we really want to love we must learn how to forgive" ~Mother Teresa~ Humanity is never so beautiful as when praying for forgiveness, or else forgiving another. ~Jean Paul Richter~

5 Steps in dealing with Anger: 1. Feel the feeling arising; 2. Acknowledge it as anger, rather than denying and suppressing it; 3. Observe it, analyze the reasons and components of it; 4. Embrace it, cradle it rather than rejecting it outright; 5. Channel it constructively (creatively), rather than destructively (violently). Learning: "Hatred is never overcome by hatred and anger. Hatred is overcome by love, forbearance and forgiveness." The Buddha Clues: Anger is best dealt with by patience and forbearance; Hatred by forgiveness, tolerance and equanimity; Aggression by calming and quieting, and including; Violence by restraint, redirection and reconditioning.

is that the one with a slow and deep tone...

Yes it is just as effective, Any means to assist the mind is effective. If standing helps you concentrate more then stand, if sitting helps you then sit. If walking helps then walk. There isnot a one pill for our mind develop and growdifferently so we use different means to assist our mind. So don't worry that you are using a CD, anything that helps you concentrate is wonderfull. Think of using the CD as training wheels on a bike. There will come a time, when sitting in solitude silence your Japa will be just as effective. Then your Japa without a CD will be just as effective as using the CD.

perhaps you should try singing the gurbani. I have found that Singing Gubani has greater effect on the mind than simply reading it. Also emphasising on certain words as you are singing creates a deeper involvement of the mind as when you emphasise on a certain word or lines the mind is forced to become focused. so my advice, Sing the Sukhmani Sahib and be more emotionally expressive when you sing the words.