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i have been listening to kirtan for a long time, probably as far as i can remember back, but the first time i Actually Listened to Kirtan was from Bhai Jasveer Singh ji Khunay Walay. That was the first time i listened to kirtan about 3 years ago.

actually there are 3 diff types of EQ's u can use in Soundforge. Pick the middle one when u see the option. It'll let you pass and stop or lower the Amplitude of certain frequencies. As it seems taht is what you need to do.

I have heard that 6 things are in the hands of god or you can say Pre-Written. Birth - Death Sanjoag - Vijoag Maan - Aapmaan Besides those 6 things the rest are up to us. After i think on those 6 things, i wonder what is left in our hands?? OUr own deeds are in our hands. As long as we r in this ego, then whatever we do we are trapped in our Karms...we suffer from our own doing, because we think we are the doer. Once the ego is gone, so is the doer (ego) and all left is no other than khuda himself. In this state of no ego, he becomes the doer and you become free of Karms. If maan is his then the aapmaan is his as well. Everything is his. Tu Karta Karna Mai Nahi, Ja Hu Kari Na hoyee. As for Free Will This will help explaining

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Generally this feeling comes about after a person has tried his very best to get out of some trying circumstances. Having made full use of his sense of doing, he finds himself defeated on all sides, and then he turns to Him in desperation, leaving everything to Him; but this is no real surrendering. From the very beginning you should not make any effort to change your circumstances, but leave everything in His hands. Nanak's concept of supreme surrender is the ultimate spiritual path, the highest practice of a devotee. Then you needn't worry about choosing a path or method or scripture. You needn't worry about logic or proof of any philosophy; you have no use for any of these. The devotee rids himself of all these in the one stroke of surrender. He leaves everything at one time and cries out: "Thy way, not mine, O Lord! Thy will be done!" Experiment a little and you will understand. Nanak is no philosopher. He has not written a scripture, his words are the expression of his inner feelings. He is giving voice to his own experience. You will have difficulty at every step because of the ego, whose very cry is: I know what is right and what should be. There is a short story by Tolstoy: The god of death sent his angel to earth as an emissary to bring back the soul of a woman who had just died. The angel found himself in a dilemma because the woman had given birth to triplets. All three were girls: one was still sucking milk from the dead mother, another was crying and the third was so exhausted that it had fallen asleep. Such was the state -- three little babies, the mother lying dead and no one to look after them, since the father was already dead and there was no one else in the family. The angel returned without the woman's soul and told the god of death: "Forgive me, I did not bring back the woman's soul. You can't be aware of what I have just witnessed: there are three little babies that this woman has given birth to, one still suckling at her <admin-profanity filter activated>. There is no one to care for them. Can't you allow a little time to the mother so that the girls are big enough to look after themselves?" "So you have become very clever and wise, it seems," said the god of death, "perhaps wiser than he who wills both death and life to all mortal beings. You have committed the first sin for which you shall be punished. You will have to return to earth and, until such time as you laugh three times at your own foolishness, you shall not return." Understand this: laugh three times at your foolishness. The ego always laughs at the nonsense of others. When you can laugh at you own absurdity, the ego breaks. The angel readily agreed to undergo the punishment. He was quite certain he was right under the circumstances, and wondered how he would find an opportunity to laugh at himself. He was ejected from heaven. It was almost winter. A cobbler, who was on his way to buy warm clothes for his children, came upon a poor man, bare to the bones and trembling in the cold. It was none other than our friend the angel. The cobbler felt sorry for him. Instead of buying the children's clothes with his hard-earned money, he went and bought clothes and a blanket for the naked man. When he also came to know that he had nothing to eat and nowhere to go, he offered him the shelter of his own house. However, he warned him that his wife was bound to get angry but he should not be upset, everything would be all right later on. The cobbler arrived home with the angel. Neither the cobbler nor the wife had any idea who he really was. As soon as they entered the door the wife fired off a volley of abuse at her husband for what he had d one. The angel laughed for the first time. The cobbler asked him why he laughed. "When I have laughed again I shall tell you," he answered, knowing that the cobbler's wife was unaware that the very presence of an angel who was her unwanted guest would confer a thousand benefits. But how far can the human mind see? For the wife it was a loss of warm clothing for the kids. She can only see the loss, but not what had been found -- and free of cost, at that. So he laughed, because she didn't know what was happening around her. Within seven days he learned the shoemaker's trade, and within a few months the cobbler's fame had spread far and wide. Even kings and noblemen ordered their shoes here, and money began to flow in an endless stream. One day the king's servant came to the shop, bringing special leather in order to have a pair of shoes made for the king. "Take care you make no mistakes, for this is the only piece of leather of its kind," said the servant. "Also, remember, the king wants shoes and not slippers." In Russia, slippers are worn by a dead person on his last journey. The cobbler gave special instructions to the angel to be extra careful with the king's orders, or else they would be in trouble. In spite of this the angel made slippers for the king. The cobbler was beside himself with rage. He was certain now he would be hanged. He ran to beat the angel with his stick. The angel laughed out loud at the very moment that a man came running from the king's court, saying, "The king is dead. Please change the shoes into slippers." The future is unknown; only He knows what is to be. Man's decisions are all based on the past. When the king was alive he needed shoes, when he died he required slippers. The cobbler fell at the angel's feet and begged forgiveness. The angel replied, "Don't worry. I am undergoing my own punishment." And he laughed again. The cobbler said, "What makes you laugh?" The angel said, "I laughed for the second t ime because we do not know the future and we still persist in desires which are never fulfilled, because fate`has different plans. The cosmic law works, destiny is set out, and we have no say in the matter. Yet we raise a hue and cry about things as if we are the makers of our destiny. The king is about to die, but he orders shoes for himself! Life is drawing to a close and we keep planning for the future." Suddenly the angel thought of the triplets: I did not know what their future was going to be. Then why did I intervene unnecessarily in their affairs? Soon the third event took place. Three young girls, accompanied by an old rich woman, came into the shop to order shoes. The angel recognized the girls as the daughters of the dead woman who had been the cause of his punishment. All three girls were happy and beautiful. The angel asked the old woman about the girls, and she said, "These are the three daughters of my neighbor. The mother was very poor, and died while nursing her new-born babies. I felt pity for such helpless babies and, since I had no children of my own, I adopted them." Had the mother been alive, the girls would have grown up in poverty and suffering. Because the mother died the girls grew up in riches and comfort, and now they were heirs to the old woman's fortune. They were also to be married into the royal family. The angel laughed for the third time. He told the cobbler, "My third laugh is because of these girls. I was wrong. Destiny is great, while our vision is limited to what we can see. What we cannot see is so vast. We cannot imagine the enormity of that which we cannot see and of that which is to be. Having laughed at my foolishness three times, my penalty is completed and now I must leave." What Nanak says is that if you stop putting yourself in the middle, and stop getting in your own way, you will find the Path of Paths. Then you needn't worry about other paths. Leave all to Him and be thankful for whatever He has caused to happen for you, for whatever He is making you do this moment, for whatever He will cause you to perform. All praise unto Him! Give Him a blank check of gratitude. Whatever He has chosen for you and through you, whether you liked it or not, whether you were praised or blamed, whether people called it your good fortune or misfortune, let there not be even a trace of difference in your thankfulness. Nanak sees only one path and that is: You are the formless, the almighty, You who abide forever. I am too small, like a wave in the ocean. I leave everything to You. You have given me so much. Your bounteous grace pours all the time everywhere; so much so that if I were to give myself as an offering a thousand times, it would be too insignificant. He knows only one path: Whatever pleases You is best for me. .

Same exact things used to happen to me about every couple of months. I would see a WHOLE chain of events happening and i would know exactly what would happen. Like once 2 of my freinds were talkin and i knew what they were gonna say...not just 1 or 2 lines but a full convo!! it was sooo weird, felt like i was seeing the future, not really like dejav vu. Hasnt happned in a wihle but i always wondered what would happen if i interuped the things that were going to happen :T: maybe thas it....its a flash in the future that you had previously experienced but wan't aware of it at the time, but i guess some people have the mental capacity to remember more of the encounter such as the conversation you remembered and some just remember a flash of what is going to happen. r>I still think its a Glitch in the Matrix

he will not die without food within 10 mins of Ardaas. If he is really hungry then go eat....but if he is there for the guru, he will wait patienctly until the Bhog has been finished and join the rest of the Sangat in Langar. One thing is that if you are truly there with an empty stomach, Waheguru will fill that stomach with his love, and the hunger will diminsh. Waheguru

----- nevermind, i read ur question wrong, i thought you were wondering what the word Choupai meant. sorry

I THANK YOU VERY MUCH VEER JI THANK YOU. WAHEGURU....Waheguru WAHEGURU...

Will any one please give me the hukamnama from yesterday OCT 20th. I went to sikhnet.com, they only have hukamnaams for today, unless i didn't look in the right place......Please your help will be greatly appreciated.... Waheguru

I have few Questions. Who/What is Khalsa? If it is referring to a group of people (sikhs) then how will this Raaj comeforth? Who are the ones that are opposing this Raaj?? How is this different than the Muslim Dar-al-islam, where the whole world is to be converted to Islam?? So am i correct in understanding that the whole world will become Khalistan?? Please forgive my ignorence in this matter, i have just recently put ne thought into those lines of Gurbani. Waheguru.

veer thas exactly my point, DesiMaim said the same thing, you can't judge the inner sikhi which is just as important if not more in being a Sikh. If one person has taken Amrit wears the 5ks, does that mean he is a Sikh on the inside??? By taking Amrit he has taken this great Leap into being a Sikh of the Guru, but his inside still have to develop. So he is not yet a full Sikh either...which is no different than a non-Amritdhari except the Amritdhari has gotten a head start. Simply that.

I don't think u understood her point. i think shes trying to say what i've said before in the post below in another thread.... You need a mindset to go along with the Dastaar. if simply wearing a Kirpan you can tell me that you are a Sikh. You are mistaken. Simply wearing something, he isn't ne one. A man wearing a Police uniform does not become a Policeman, until he is the policeman on the INSIDE. You can become a Policeman on the Inside first then you can wear the Policeman Uniform. To wear the Uniform First then to act like a Policaman is creating this Character who acts like a Policeman. Yes it does happen so that wearing the uniform slowlly you mind becomes to adapt what you wear on the outside...the purpose behind the uniform. Your mind begins to adapt and slolwly the mind becomes the policeman. So there are both ways to becomeing a Policeman. One is to become one on teh inside first then wearing the uniform. The other is to wear the uniform first then become a policeman on the inside. BUt the second one has much rocks on its path; for examply someone might not become a policeman on the inside, but puts on a show taht he is a policeman....his ego grows as he has ac complised something by just wearing a uniform. How hard is taking physical amrit...its not hard at all. but Drinking the Amrit on the inside is very difficult and the purpose of the outside amrit is to ignite the desire for the Amrit on the inside.

do u know if there is a Description on the net somewhere of a Sehajdhari sikh as there is of an Amritdhari Sikh??

So is there no such thing as SehajDhari Sikh???

What makes you a Sikh?? Is your appearence what makes one a Sikh?? Is your Heart what makes you a Sikh?? I saw this quote posted on a forum while back and i saved it.

This is waht i've been told what that mean. Khalsa is the roop of the Guru. Guru is no other than Waheguru himself. Khalsa is the roop of Waheguru. Meaning Khalsa (Waheguru) will be the king (of your heart or life). Aaki is the Vices or worthless thoughts..there will be no vices when Waheguru (khalsa) will be doing raaj in your heart. Im sure some people will disagree, but that is the translation that i've understood of that line. Waheguru.

No. The true method as taught by guru sahib, saas giraas can only be taught by guru sahib, if anyone else teaches you they are disobeying hukam and guru sahib. That quote was from SDO. People have copied and pasted it many times without knowing. It was put on sikhnet and I had a debate with the ignorant moderators about it for a a few days and gave up and havent read their board since. Their moderators are very anti gurmat and antipanthic at times. It is common because it is the correct way, but individuals should not go around teaching it. I very innocently taught someone when i was younger without realizing the ramifications, that was a mistake which i had to pesh for. And no other form would/should be removed, just the correct one as that can only be taught by panj. I dont think there is any other form which is as effective and I suggest non amritdharis should just chant waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo without and techniques because other techniques are fruitless anyway or wont be as good. Exactly. But a person alone cannot give gurmantar, this can only be done by panj. You may not have hyperventilated but i have heard of people who have. And if you did it right of course you received anand as this is amrit naam. This is what guru sahib teaches! You anand is not jhoot, but it would probably increase 1000 fold if you were to take amrit and receive gurmantar from panj/guru sahib. Again you are mistaken. Understand this no one has any copyrights on Knowledge of Spirituality. That Knowledge exists outside of Time. The knowledge of Fire is like the knowledge of spirituality. The knowledge of fire existed before man had sparked 2 rocks together and created Fire. It just wasn't harnested by the mind of man until a point in time. That knowledge of that specific type of meditation is not copyrighted by the SDO. There are Thousands of Methods of Meditation, Some are easy, some are difficult. Everyone does not react the same way to one meditation. But each are effective in their own way, given one is taught how to do it.BTW what does SDO stand for?? if you still do not believe me wh en i say i did not copy that Meditation from SDO then i'll post the link which will probably make you think its Anti-Panthi even more, because you are perceiving it with a biased view. Click here I have heard that same Method From Sikh Bhais and Sants so its not just the Gurumaa site which says this. That site is the only one i know which has it posted on the net. I gave you the Link, simpy that, i am not going to argue with you over if "YOU" feel that the site is Anti-Sikhi/Panthic. If you think it is so be it, if not then fine. Im sure the link will be delete, which is fine with me. But again its not about where i got it from, its simply the point u brought up about one cannot teach others Sikhs meditation beside the Panj payaray. so it doesn't matter where the method came from. If an Individual is eager to learn someting about meditation, that means he has the desire to find that peace within him. If i can get Anand from a certain Meditation using that Certain method. It is very possible that Others can as well. Given they read the instruction very carefully. The Instruction on a Piece of paper are like you give someone an Un-Official view of what he can experience when he does recieve the Official Technique from a Guru. Maybe it will make him more eager to take Amrit knowing that the Official Technique will be given to hi m/her at the time of Amrit. It is the Smell of sweet Ras Gullas that hits you first then you are pulled by that sensation to find where to get those Ras Gullas. It is the Sensation of the meditation that drives you to find and get the full experience of what can be achieved. A Sample should be availabe to anyone without any restriction, because you never know in whos heart will a certain type of meditation create a spark which will lead him to the path of Salvation and perhaps that spark will change his life forever. You just never know. Waheguru.

Veer ji, Thank you for Replying. I'd am asking these questions because i did not know there were such restriction placed in Sikhi. So please do not take them as me being Sarcastic or otherwise. First Question: So any Method of Meditation in Sikhi is copyrighted by the Panj Payray?? Second: That quote was not from SDO, i have never even heard of them. It is a very Common Method of Meditation which i have heard from many people not just the site i got it from. I don't think it matter ne more from where i got the method from, since any type of Meditati on method posted here will be removed because you can only receive those instructions from the panj. Am i correct or not? Thirdly: It cannot be the Method that is Wrong. A method is just a method. But yes you need someone to teach you how to do it. Instruction on a Piece of paper do not carry the full spirtual energy as the instruction given in person. But when i speak from Experience, I haven't yet taken Amrit, and i did not hyperventale when i was doing that meditation. Exactly the opposite happened, i received Anand from it. Now can you tell me that the Anand i felt was jhooth? if not then that method cannot be a Fraud as i am the living example that it does work. If you think that it was jhooth, please explain to me how you came to the conlusion without knowing the feeling that i felt? Please i must say do not think in any way that i am being sarcastic or otherwise in my post. If you feel that i am, it was definetly not intended. Waheguru

i was born in punjab, lived there till i was 10 then moved to the States. B)

uhhh ok, did u read what i wrote, there was nothing that was Anti-Pantic about a Meditation Technique. If a Method for meditation required you to pray to a Idol, yes that is Anti-Panthic. The Method i posted simply stated, Breating in saying Wahe, Breathing out Saying guru. How is that Anti-Pathic?? Don't get ahead of yoruself.

Veer/Behan ji But i never even put a Web address to the quote, it doesn't matter. I thought you had removed because you were restricting the spread of Techniques to do Meditation, which is rather :T: I am not trying to start an arguement.but For your info ji, that site which i had gotten that quote from is not an ANTI SIKH SITE. That technique to do meditation is not Copyrighted by anyone. That is a very basic and effective method. I don't thik that method is Anti ANYTHING. But thanks for replying. Waheguru.

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Bayraag is something that comes from deep down in your heart, any prayer or any meditation done in Bayraag is the Epitome of how a prayer or Meditation should be done. Bayrrag is this fire which burns your desires and only leaves one desire in your heart and that is the Desire for Waheguru. Your mind becoem centered on that One Being and Sometimes even if you wanted to pray no words will come out of your mouth. There will be nothing left to say. Hope that helps Waheguru.

she pointes out very good points, but what does she mean by UPgrading to Sikhism. Guru Nanak didn't Upgrade neone by letting them follow the path he setforth. He showed them their misunderstanding of their own religion. He did not say their religion is primitive or bad, he merely pointed out their mistakes that they were comitting by not understanding what their religion stood for. she has a very biased opinion....If she could im sure she will say all religion are bad but Sikhism. That is not how a sikh should perceive another Religion. just my thoughts.