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ok dass will try this as best as he can. NIHANG sahib if we sat together i told you to do ur nitnem quietly and im going to do sukhmani sahib loud and slow what would your mind be listenin to? the sukhmani sahib hunna. same goes with akhand sahib with japji sahib rauls side by to each other going on wheres the emphasis going on the japji sahib rauls rather than the akhand paat as japji sahib is repeating itself each time while the akhand paati has to put menth in2 reading maharaj so he/she doesnt make a mistake on purpose. we all no what akhand paatis can be like when theres no1 there they dont read bani out aloud r a Suhd as they can. so the way dass looks at it he does not see the logic in it.

benti NIHANG AK47 pajji/penjji this is way off topic dass is looking for solutions to slough sikh problems. ive stated what is written in akal takhat rehat marayda. i can go further how many gwareh hav larevaar saroop nt many in uk. i dnt want this topic to be an arguement where people are tryin to proove there point because it is there(including mine) ego speaking and when they "win" all you are doing is appeasing your ego. dass asked for help about the situation not a new topic lol. only reason im being harsh NIHANG AK47 ji is that dass n slough naujwan need solutions to our problems not petty bickering about rauls or any other issue. bhul chuk maaf karo NIHANG AK47 ji n ne other gursikh that i hav offended

"Placing a pitcher, ceremonial clarified butted fed lamp, coconut, etc. around , during the course of the uninterrupted or any other reading of Guru Granth Sahib, or reading of other Scriptural texts side by side with or in the course of such reading is contrary to the gurmat (Guru's way). " i hope thats cleared the confusion my friend.

"Placing a pitcher, ceremonial clarified butted fed lamp, coconut, etc. around , during the course of the uninterrupted or any other reading of Guru Granth Sahib, or reading of other Scriptural texts side by side with or in the course of such reading is contrary to the gurmat (Guru's way). " this section is taking from akal takht rehat maryada from the akhand paat section.

waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo wahegwaheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waheguroo waaaaaaahhhhhheeeeeeegggggggguuuuuuuurrrrrrrrooooooooooooooooooooooo :D

waheguroojeekakhalsawaheguroojeekeefateh "Placing a pitcher, ceremonial clarified butted fed lamp, coconut, etc. around , during the course of the uninterrupted or any other reading of Guru Granth Sahib, or reading of other Scriptural texts side by side with or in the course of such reading is contrary to the gurmat (Guru's way). " the reading of any of bani side by side to an akhand paat is not gurmat personally i dont agree with it so cuss me if you want i dont care. however i am for doing just jap ji sahib rauls and sukhmani sahib rauls as long as theres no akhand paat hapening. slough youth waheguroo sorry to say but there aint no ekta at all we all talk puratan etc but we are far from it especially me. regarding the senchiya i know about this as some of the singhs broke into the library n took the senchiya forceably, the impression were giving these monkeys is that we are "extreme" and that we dont know how to act properly. our approach as to be more better as well were not "kharkoos". i was talkin to the librarian and he doesnt have a clue about respect for maharaj because me and another singh had a lenghty discussion with him about the senchiya tellin him that is beadbi to have them uncoverd n LABLED of all things. bal and dasam granth waheguroo when i heard that i was really upset. ok enough of me ranting on we need a plan of action which is gurmat so no "kharkoo" missions. i was thinking of a meeting with all the regular youngsters round a gursikhs house to discuss the following issues: 1) the senchiya being labled and placed disrespectfully is def no no. we could write a letter to R4G (might be a bit much but i think i might be neccessary). bring this to elder gursikhs ( u know who guys my best friend BHAI SOHAN SINGH ) 2)about dasam granth bani being slanderd. u need hard proof lik a clear recording and witnesses bring this to the attention of of older gursikhs and general sangat. 3)the rauls next to an akhand paat well if these guys "follow" panthic maryada then not much we can do as we dont have any power against the gwara commitee but this can be discussed though. 4)ekta this is one big chat we need to have where older gursikhs are there as we as young khalsa's get too sensative on. with out this we aint going no where. sangat in slough is growing which is good but we have to stick together if these stupid commitee people can stick together we cant we. again as menu ke patha said we have to much ego hes spot on. anyways if i have offended anyone bhul chuk maaf karo as dass is still a learning about sikhi. again dass would appreciate feed back from the cyber sangat on ways to HELP the slough sangat. waheguroojeekakhalsawaheguroojeekeefateh

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO GET FROM HOUNSLOW TO SLOUGH BY BUS TO THE GURDWARA?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????SOME PLEASE REPLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WJKK WJKF waheguroojeekakhalsawaheguroojeekeefateh take 81 bus 4m hounslow to get into slough station then catch the number 3 going to wexham/wexham park hospital takes bout 5/10min and you will see the gurdwara just jump of there. hope this helps waheguroojeekakhalsawaheguroojeekeefateh

waheguroo those are impresive pictures dear sunderjit singh lol if the sarbloh mala has chrome on it its not the end of the world just put the desi lemon powder on it leave it ova night and it goes away and looks really nice. a lot of gursikhs now and in the past have worn sarbloh maleh can some enlighten dass about the maleh that the guru sahibha wore as from the pictures they arent sarbloh are there spiritual or circumstances that they arent. plz dont take this the wrong way dass is still a learner WAHEGUROOO

waheguroo the only person i personally agree with is "shastr" penjji or pajji why because without naam and bani we are nothing, gursikhs like bhai rama singh, bhai randhir singh in their autobiographies (definatley bhai rama singhs autobio bhai randhir singh says it in another book im sure of it) that khalsa raj will come when the kaum is doing naam jap and are united. so people naam jap ateh bani par !!!!!

the mala shud b sarbloh as sarbloh is used everywhere in sikhi e.g. amrit sanchar, kirpans, the bateh for degh (well should be sarbloh) and of course SARBLOH bibek lol. sarbloh is just beautiful anyways hehe

yes bhai amolak singh ji (AUSSIE and kirtani lol) will be here through the whole smagam and is giving a talk about the shaheeds of 1978 so thats one not to be missed, bhai harpreet singh (TORONTO and one of my favorite kirtanis :wubc: ) is also coming for the smagam, bhai jaspal singh (INDIA) is coming as well other kirtanis are coming as well. this is going to be an amazing programme and benti to everyone to try and make it to as many of the programmes and get as much laha as possible. (ironically i wont be here for any of it hahahaha as dass s going to india lol dont im goin bibeksar programme WAHEGUROOO )

soz 1978 (i feel like right plonka now) chaloo at least you didnt tear my head off waheguroo

"is it any diiferent? oh yhh like i saw sum old man jumpin around da last time i went to a akj kirtan. yes it is a question of right and wrong, that is wrong, dacning infront of mahraj like a clown is wrong, stupid post" pajji/pennjji not being bad or anything but dass and parvar have been going to rainsbai kirtans around the UK for along time and never seen people jumping up and down if they have please give exact details lik rainsbai year etc. For sikhs who want to know why people "shake" durin kirtan this link should hpefully awnser your question maff karo sangat jio if i have offended anyone. http://akj.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3674...5ec9baf3729a805 heres the link

gurfateh gursikha WAHEGUROO as my pajji/penjji akjforeva said that bani and simran go in hand and hand one cannot live without the other. personally do your nitnem at other bania do your simran and see how much much lahaa you personally get out of it but gotta do both. i love to do sukhmani sahib before i do but thats an aim i like to be at one day :D NAAM JAPO WAHEGUROO hope kinda awnsered your question GURFATEH

WAHEGUROO lets go one better and listen to the whole audio http://www.sevatothemax.com/mp3s/list_file...%20Smagham%2007 waheguroo just click download on bhai gurdev singh :D NAAM JAPO WAHEGUROOO

WAHEGUROOO i wish that kind of strength may guru ji bless us all with that amount of commitment to our true mother, father and guru :D NAAM JAPO WAHEGUROOO :umm: :D

WAHEGUROOOO i should giv this to my lecturer at uni good message behind it NAAM JAPO WAHEGUROO :D

gurfateh ppl http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/92.htm even though its a christian site it explains a lot guru ji has already tolds us not to have relationships by going to the root of the problem, as sexual relation before marriage is a BUJJAR KURET only when your married is this kind of relationship alowwed. read the link i think you can understand where im coming. dass

WJKK WJKF pennji home made bread is luvley http://www.kettleandtoasterman.co.uk/stain...-maker-63-p.asp when get back home from uni i luv eatin home made bread wid nuts etc init very tasty. dont know how to make choclate........yet:P. if you're making cakes get egg replacer which is suitable for vegans n makes luvley jubalee cakes lol. choclate is hard to make from scratch dont know anyone personally who makes it from scratch. yeast is sutiable for vegans as far as i know but i always buy yeast dats sutiable for vegetarians anyways btw making bread isnt too hard just follow da instructions to your bread making machine. i hope dass has helped btw il try and get back to you on a recipe to make choclate as i want to know myself hehe. have fun cooking WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF gursikha dass was reading this amazing gursikh brought tears to my eyes as you'll find out by reading about this true guru da sikh bhai sukhdev singh ji defienetly a gursikh the youth should look up to :D . Bhai Sukhdev Singh Sakheera`s father was Sardar Budh Singh and mother was Mata Surjit Kaur. Bhai Sahib had an elder brother, Balbir Singh, an elder sister, Dalbir kaur, a younger brother, Waryam Singh, and a younger sister, Sukhbir Kaur. His elder sister was married to the elder brother of the amazing Bhai Anokh Singh Babbar. Bhai Sahib's elder brother became a Shaheed in Police custody. His younger sister was also married. His younger brother was a farmer. Bhai Sukhdev Singh studied to level 8. In 1980, Bhai Sahib met Baba Jarnail Singh Bindrawale and later took Amrit from Panj Piyarey at Damdami Taksal. He became a close companion of Baba Jairnal Singh ji. He spent time learning Santhia from the Taksal and even did seva in the Panj Piyarey during Amrit Sanchars. Whatever he said, he made sure he did. Bhai Sahib committed to give his head for Sikhi and only when necessary would not shy from taking heads for Sikhi. He was very close to Bhai Anokh Singh Babbar. After the horrific events of Amritsar 1978, when Bhai Fauja Singh and 12 Gursikhs were Shaheed, the Babbar Khalsa began a process of elimination of the Nirankari leadership. Bhai Sahib`s name is also mentioned in some of these plans. His elder sister, being the sister-in-law of Bhai Anokh Singh Babbar means they were related. They developed a great love for each other and always staying together. Elder bibian often witnessed the two together, one Bhai Sukhdev Singh in Taksali bana, and the other Bhai Anokh Singh from Akhand Kirtani Jatha, wearing Nihang bana, with a dumalla and khanda, and many shastars in his arms. These elder mothers would bow before them and bless them stating, 'Never let anyone's bad sight (maree nazzar) fall upon the two'. When the issue of marriage arose, Bhai sahib would state he, "... is already engaged,....death is my marriage, the Government has already arranged my wedding day... when the day comes, I will accept the marriage." INSPIRATIONAL SPEAKER After the horrific events of Operation Blue Star, nobody imagined that Sikhs would again be a force capable of standing up to the Indian Government. However Bhai Sahib in his heart was determined. After 1984, he tried to gather the Singhs still alive to create a movement. He worked tirelessly day and night, and wanted to show the world that Singhs are never intimidated and that even if death stands in their way, they will never back down. "Singhs can be Shaheed, but they will never give up." Bhai Sahib worked intimately within the Sikh Resistance Movement. When Bhai Sahib did katha his charisma shone and he influenced many people to take Amrit and share the burden of the Sikh Resistance Movement. After the Shaheedi of Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindrawala, Bhai Sahib was the first to openly speak on stage asking youth to take Amrit and fight the Government. As such he became very dangerous to the authorities, who made his elimination a high priority. The Punjab Police put a reward on the head of Bhai Sukhdev Singhji. Bhai Sahib then went underground and joined the ranks of Baba Manochal, Jathedar Sukhdev Singh Babbar, Bhai Anokh Singh Babbar, Bhai Manbir Singh Chaheru, Bhai Tarsem Singh Kuhar, Bhai Dhaana Singh, Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma, Bhai Durga Singh Arfuke, Bhai Kuldip Singh Moshal, Bhai Gurdev Singh Usmanwale and many other Singhs who now operated underground, working for the establishment of a Free Sikh Raj. The Politics of the time were dominated by Longowal, Badal, Tohra, Talwandi, and Barnala. They all were all of a very shady nature, and only played self-interested politics. The youth desperate to get rid of these characters set up a new Akali Dal. Simranjit Singh Mann was selected as its first President, and its acting Presidentship was given to Bapu Joginder Singh, father of Baba Jarnial Singh Bindrawale. Senior Sikh leaders pledged support for this new party including Jathedar Ujjagar Singh Sekwon, Ranjit Singh Brahmpura, Jathedar Soorat Singh, Charanjit Singh Walia, Jagjit Singh Rode, Jathedar Jagdev Singh Koodian (Shaheed MP), Sikh Students President Manjit Singh and General Secretary Harmander Singh Sandhu, who was in Jodhpur Jail at that time. Parcharaks such as Amrik Singh Mukhtsar joined them and Bapu Joginder Singh started doing large conferences in Punjab with Amrit Sanchars, and speeches about the Sikh Movement. The person who brought all of these people together and organised it was Sukhdev Singh Sakheera. KAR SEVA OF SRI AKAL TAKHAT SAHIB After Operation Blue Star, a Shaheedi samagam was held at Chowk Mehta, where the families of Shaheeds were honoured. After listening to the speeches, a five-member Panthik committee was selected. The vision of Sardar Dalbir Singh, the wisdom of Sirdar Kapur Singh, and influence of Dr Sohan Singh led to this happening. Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochal was selected as Jathedar of Akal Thakhat Sahib. This led to old traditions being brought back such as the Sarbat Khalsa. Bhai Sahib was staying with Baba Manochal in village Manochal, where both escaped after being surrounded by Police. To attend the Sarbat Khalsa both had to escape from many planned Police ambushes. Sikhs started to get confidence again and awareness spread. At this time, a controversial subject in the Panth became the erection of the Siri Akal Thakhat Sahib, which was devastated by tanks and a helicopter gunship in 1984. Indira Gandhi and her stooge Santa Singh Nihang, using cheap labour from Bihar, and with government money erected the building. However the Sikh sangat wished to tear it down and rebuild it by Sikh hands, paid for by Sikh money. The SGPC would not allow them to do this. The Sikh Students Federation, the Damdami Taksal, Babbar Khalsa, KLF and other jathebandies were all in favour of even giving sacrifices to ensure that Indira Gandhi and Santa Nihang`s building is rejected and torn down and Sikh sponsored Kar Seva to reerect it done. Bhai Sukhdev Singh was also in favor of this and wanted to resolve the issue in the proper manner. The Damdami Taksal and Sikh Student Federation announced that they had received letters from the worldwide Sangat on this matter, and on 26th January 1986 a Sarbat Khalsa was held to start the Kar Seva for a new Sri Akal Thakhat Sahib. Masses of Guru Nanak Dev jis followers attended the event. The SGPC leadership was stuck ason one side it was slapped down by the Delhi Government, and on the other side the Sikh youth was determined to get its way. Noting the enthusiasm in the Sikh Sangat for demolishing the Indira Gandhi/Santa Nihang erection, the Head Granthi of Harmandar Sahib arranged a secret meeting between the SGPC and the Damdami Taksal and other Jujarhroo youth at Gurdwara Bir Baba Buddha Sahib. Baba Kharak Singh Kar Sevawale also attended with Bhai Sukhdev Singh Sakheera and his companions. Both sides gave their viewpoints and Baba Kharak Singh sided with Bhai Sukhdev Singh. Bhai Sahib`s voice was highly influential and the Kar Seva began demolishing the Indian Government sponsored and erected building with the Resolution passed in the 26th January 1986 Sarbat Khalsa. LOVE FOR BABA JARNAIL SINGH BINDRANWALE At that time, there was a Nihang called Kahn Singh Baggi, who had taken over Gurdwara Khadur Sahib. He was associated with the Taruna Dal group of Baba Bishan Singh from Baba Bakala. He treated Sikhs very arrogantly, and many members of the Sikh sangat were very unhappy with his anti-Sikh activities at the historic Gurdwara. As a result, the attendance at the Gurdwara dropped, resulting in less churava (golak money) for him. At a large meeting of Sikhs, Nihang Kahn Singh vehemently and abusively spoke against Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Bindrawale. Bhai Sukhdev Singh could not tolerate this, and said "Your men are gangsters and doing wrong, and you have the nerve to blame Mahapursh Sant Jarnail Singh for the dwindling sangat. You should think before you speak!" However Kahn Singh was influenced by noone, and said whatever came to his mouth without thinking. Bhai Sahib knew that now was not the time or place to do anything. However some time later, outside Punjab at Hola Mohalla celebrations, Nihang Kahn Singh was shot dead, by a Singh who escaped shouting "Sant Jarnial Singh Zindabad!" Bhai Sukhdev Singh Sakheera is credited with this action. SHAHEEDI In May 1986, a meeting happened between Bhai Sukhdev Singh and Baba Amrik Singh at Gurdwara Shaheed Baba Deep Singh, Amritsar. After the meeting, as they left the Gurdwara, two men in Sikhi disguise approached. As one bowed to say "Fateh" to Bhai sahib, the other shot Bhai Sahib at point blank range, then both jumped in a jeep and sped off. The news of Bhai Sahibs Shaheedi spread throughout the Panth like wildfire. Every Sikh felt that their son Sakheera had passed away before his time. Another talented young Sikh had been lost in the typhoon of the Sikh Movement. When Bapu Joginder Singh, father of Baba Jarnail Singh ji, heard the news, he grew silent, and then said, "My General Sakheera has left us." Then tears streamed from his eyes. Bapu Joginder Singh had lost 6 sons and grandsons in Operation Bluestar, but never cried. But when Bhai Sukhdev Singh was Shaheed, he cried. Bapu Joginder Singh was doing a series of Amrit Sanchars samagams, but straight away left with his Singhs for Amritsar. Baba Thakur Singh, head of Damdami Taksal also reached Amritsar after hearing the news. So did Bhai Sahibs father, Bapu Budh Singh and many of his village folk. In addition, many Jujarhroo Singhs who were underground also attended Amritsar. Bhai Sahib's body was taken to village Sakheera. The village Sarpanch Sardar Karaj Singh, said, "Bhai Sukhdev Singh met me a few days ago. He said.... I will be a Shaheed soon. Take my body for cremation to Gurdwara MaeDass. Sit in the Gurdwara and enjoy the bliss of Gurbani." Bhai Sahib`s cremation happened at Gurdwara MaeDass. As well as Bapu Joginder Singh, Baba Thakur Singh and other noted Singhs, thousands of Sikhs attended the cremation in 1986, and shared the loss of a diamond of the Sikh Nation.

gurfateh penjji 1stly rehat pyari mujj ko sikh pyara nahi by the sounds of things you have a solid rehat not like me. coming from a singh there are many gursikh singhs who have the same beliefs as you dont fear because guru ji blesses those gursikhs who follow his path with rewards neways why iam i writing this im a singh lol on a serious in your ardas just ask guru ji to bless you with your needs as they are to do with your sikhi. keep the naam simran going and bibek going as well :s :D wahegurooooooo gurfateh pennjii bhul chuk maaf

gurfateh i went through the same thing and kaam attacks me differently now lol best thing to do is do about 30min of really clow and concentrated simran before doing kirtan sohila and ardas so when you are sleepin simran is still going on in your mind instead of kaami thoughts. also do in your adras to guru ji keep asking for help, strength and amrit di daat n guru ji will give you an awnser. dass is still a learner so bhul chuk maaf karo gurfateh

gurfateh again penjjis and pajjis thats awesome that gursikhs are still reading these peices of literature i took me personally 6 months to read and i stiill understand it all lol. i was just wondering where i could get some other books of bhai sahib randhir singh as the literature he has written is amazing definetly want to read unduthi duniya because i get asked a lot what happens after death and i give a very weak/complex awnser lol btw whats charan kamal about? are these books available at the next rainsbai in wolves dis saturday? thanks for your posts gursikha gurfateh daass

gurfateh penjjis and pajis i just wanted to know who has read anhad shabad dasam duar by bhai sahib randhir singh as it would be nice to know what peoples opinion on it was personally it was mind blowing the translations he gave blew me away. bhai sahib explained quotes in real detail and the experinces please sangat ji its a must read as it explains a lot of things which are truly WOW i mean WAHEGUROO please send your views gurfateh dass

gurfateh penjis/pajjis naam is beyond words as some of you knowledgeable ppl said its sumtin you have 2 live which is HARD lol naam jap has is the utmost importance without it life doesnt really exist we are put on this earth to do guru jis ustat and that is through naam jap. bhul chuk maaf karo grufateh dass