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Tell them you prefer eating chicken instead. Eggs make you fart, eggs are also the chickens period. Jeevans video above is making me hungry.

Not if you have arthritis, cold water will make your blood vessel (which is terrible with blood pressure or old age) shrink up tight to avoid heat loss from your body to the point of death, cold water can lead to pneumonia, flu and so on. Cold water is brilliant in hot weather, cold water is terrible in cold weather and most of us live in cold weather.

Sabh te ucha satguru nanak

Maybe those gurdwaras were destroyed by the RSS these websites have material probably from early british raj sikh texts.

I don't think people are forcing themselves to stay, they feel awkward at times simply because they don't know what to expect and other religious preachers have smeared preaching doing parchar of sachia simply because preach utter falsehood like pedophilla desert pagan cults or door to door salesman cults. If people wanted they could walk away. Jagraj's technique isn't perfect but it's a start which we can all use to give the dawah of sikhi. Using Jagraj's technique of dawah we can refine it and also discuss ways of dawah techniques such as always avoiding sensitive topics and baring in mind the person you speak to such as if it's someone following the desert pagan pedophille cult you don't jump to tell them they are following falsehood even though they are.

Hell more of this needs doing after all the sikh killings of being mistaken as terrorist, the turban searches, the racism and xenophobia sikhs have faced more of this has been needed. I reckon alot of this anti sikh missionary work has probably been taught by hindus and muslims who disguised themselves as sikhs to confuse and lead astray sikhs. Sikhi was a missionary faith when guru nanak did his udassis, early sikhs sang gurbani across streets, they invited people of all walks to join them, baba deep singh wrote guru granth sahib in arabic sent it to iraq for reading and centuries later that building has been destroyed. People have distorted sikhi through innovation as a hodge podge of faiths were anything goes and it doesn't matter who you are just eat drink be merry. Sikhi's distortion has also made people equate kachi bani (koran hatred messages, rap etc.) and false teachings such as singing cynical and obscene songs to pavitar bani. The ultimate truth of satgurus path shouldn't be left to rarely seen youtube clips, websites, dusty old books and limited text books portraying inaccuracies simply stressing the importance of 5ks and nothing else. Jagraj is doing great work, he has brought so many reverts back into the fold of sikhi from all walks of life. Hopefully god willing more people will revert to sikhi - god is great.

I'm I the only Sikh who doesn't really think the suleman deal is legit.

They converted to islam would be enough reason to attack us. Did you see the pic of one of the guys caught he had a beard and trimmed mustache.

http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/world-gurudwaras/gurudwaras-in-sri-lanka Gurudwaras in Sri Lanka Gurudwara Udasi Math, Dibar Gurdwara Udasi Math, situated in Dibar, Batticaloa in Sri_Lanka Dibar, Batticaloa, Sri Lanka Email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. Gurudwara Pehli Patshahi (Kurukal Mandap) KURUKAL MANDAP - A village in Sri Lanka, visited by Guru Nanak Sahib and Bhai Mardana. When Guru Sahib visited this place there was no village. The village owes its name to Guru Sahib. Kurukul Mandap means “Guru Da Nagar”. The tradition of the visit of a saintly missionary from the Punjab to that place is still well known to the local residents. According to a tradition Bhai Changa Bhatra belonged to this area. Gurudwara Pehli Patshahi (Koti) KOTI - A town in Sri Lanka, visited by Guru Nanak Sahib and Bhai Mardana. At the time of the visit of Guru Sahib, Koti was an independent State. Dharma Parkarma Bahu IX(1489-1513) ruled it. He gave a warm welcome to Guru Sahib. In the court of the ruler, the Buddhists and the Hindus held a debate with Guru Nanak Sahib. Guru Nanak Sahib finally succeeded in making them agree the supremacy of the Sikh philosophy. The ruler himself was highly impressed by Guru Sahib’s teachings. Gurudwara Pehli Patshahi (Battikola) A town in Sri Lanka, visited by Guru Nanak Sahib and Bhai Mardana. At the time of the visit of Guru Sahib, Baticulla was known as Matiakullam. Raja Shiv Nabh ruled it. Bhai Mansukh of Lahore had, earlier, visited this town and had told the ruler about Guru Nanak Sahib. When Guru Sahib visited the town, Raja Shiv Nabh’s joy knew no bounds. He requested Guru Sahib to stay at his palace. Guru Sahib visited his palace but stayed at a place, about 20 km from Baticulla, now known as Kurukul Mandap.

Looks like a lotus flower, something which takes part in much of hindu themes as well as in gurbani: Page 24, Line 3 ਐਬ ਤਨਿ ਚਿਕੜੋ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਮੀਡਕੋ ਕਮਲ ਕੀ ਸਾਰ ਨਹੀ ਮੂਲਿ ਪਾਈ ॥ ऐब तनि चिकड़ो इहु मनु मीडको कमल की सार नही मूलि पाई ॥ Aib ṯan cẖikṛo ih man mīdko kamal kī sār nahī mūl pā▫ī. The defect of the body which leads to sin is the mud puddle, and this mind is the frog, which does not appreciate the lotus flower at all. Guru Nanak Dev The lotus flower is beauty surrounded by mud, just like a gursikh lives in sikhi within kaljug, the gursikh still keeps high beautiful virtue being in grace surrounded by paap. The lotus flower has been a very ancient indian analogy to explain synchronous living and to be in harmony and grace.

Compare that to sikhs living in afghanistan and pakistan, then pick the lesser of the evils.

She doesn't look like a sikh or really have links to sikhi besides that yoga is a massive field many parts of yoga are condemned by sikhi like intense fasts or trying to inact a near death experience. I think christian fear mongering has driven many christians away from church and into the clutches of what they call satanic. For the most part yoga as it's known in the media is just idleness it's pretty much over rated, stretches and sitting down thinking about nothing.

He's one of many and at the moment he is small fish, he isn't desecrating guru granth sahib saroops where as others are, he isn't raping women at the moment where as other pakhandi babas are with the name of the satgurus, he isn't grooming girls by invoking satgurus name.

I noticed the addition of the notification feed above it looks really good but the problem with it is, I would like to know which thread I got a response on, so rather then so and so quoted your post - I would like so and so commented on your post in the following topic. Above when i'm told on the planet symbol icon that someone responded to me before checking on it, it would be nice to know what post that was. I would imagine like many here we comment on several posts.

I don't mind talking about niddars claims and his views but how much time should we dedicate seriously to him. For many of us they are really far out there somewhere else. Perhaps if we want to a put an end to it we should go through his formal website and really take it on one by one. Niddar has finances simply due to him having worked most of his life, he's a kinda senior guy probably took early retirement and those who were his seniors must have past on inheritance to him to afford flights back and forth besides that he probably made some money off his book which was quite expensive. He also does tv and media people probably reward him for his time. India I think dislike sikhs alot why would they bother paying off an angent to teach sikhs how to fight, the nirankari movement which encourages pacifism for sikhs to lay down their arms is more likely their tactic. Perhaps india would have thought about what if they learnt how to fight from niddar and turned on him to turn on india? I think alot of this niddar issue is more to do with his stance not on supporting khalistan primarily rather then his nang nihang activities because there are loads of these sorts in india.

If the Portugese destroyed it then it's likely the remains may be in the vatican library (that's only open to the higher catholic clergy or pope only) much ancient artifacts have been likewise traced to there. http://www.sikhlionz.com/Raja-Shivnabh-And-Guru-Nanak-Dev-Ji-Maharaj.htm http://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/biographies/hindu-bhagats-and-poets-and-punjabi-officials/shivnabh-raja

btw is this guy a sikh ?

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I've heard from sikh paracharaks horoscopes, babas all this hocus pocus it utter nonsense. But do we have historical sources to justify it's wrong or gurbani or rehat? If so can people post some? We can see in history the gurus predicted events, gave future events, Guru nanak's forehead was read by a pandit predicting his greatness. We can see many great sikh figures today have kundalanis done were hindu pandits are birth predict the childs life, including number of partners, they can predict if the person will divorce, how many children they will have, some predict the gender of their children (bare in mind this father in question is still a baby at the time of prediction), they predict occupation, degrees (numbers of it), where they would live, what numbers, dates, gem stones, metals are lucky and unlucky, what foods might be lucky or unlucky. They predict career path, some can be vague some not so vague. There are such predictions in place such as of udham singhs and bhagat singhs, however it could be with those it was faked after the events. We see people going to mullahs, sheikhs, pirs and fakir babas to predict future and change the events of the future, in sikh history and amongst present sikhs. But guru ji took a rigid stance against these blind rituals where is the backing of the history, bani and so forth?

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Is niddar really worth all of this intense discussion, we have loads of cocos amongst our sikhs who claim and say all sorts of thing, why is niddar worth creating one of the longest threads on sikhsangat over? Is this discussion perhaps due to people somewhere deep down thinking perhaps he might be right about his views or is admirable? Perhaps Niddar has opened a stream for future sikh scholars to go down exploring, comparing sikh missionary work based around Max Arthur Macauliffe across with early british accounts of sikhs such as those of drinking bhang and conducting rituals which we see in prominent shivaism.

Refer to page 190 of this http://www.scribd.com/doc/112312262/Guru-Nanak-Dev-Ji-His-Life-and-Teachings-by-Kartar-Singh-GurmatVeechar-com-pdf RAJA SHIVNAB OF CEYLON After a circuitious tour through the chiefcities and holy places ofthe Deccan, the Guru reached Cape Comorin. From there he crossed over to Ceylon. Raja Shivnabh of Jaffna had heard of the Guru from a merchant Sikh and had become his devoted disciple. The Guru's Songs of God sung to him by that merchant, Munsukh, had soothed his heart but had, also, stirred his soul with a powerful longing to see the Heavenly Singer who sang of the Great Bounteous Lord in such inspired and inspiring words. ll that the merchant had told him about the Guru had only served to whet the edge of the Raja's yearning to see the Master. He had wanted to accompany Mansukh to the Panjab and lay himself at the Guru's feet. But Mansukh had counselled him to love and wait in faith. 'The Master is drawn', said he, 'across great distances by the invisible string of his disciples' love. Only, let the love be deep, steady, and sincere. He will as surely come to you as the sun will rise again in the east tomorrow. He does not like that people should neglect or give up their daily duties in their uncontrolled zeal for a life of the spirit. He would like you to carry on your kingly duties in a spirit of love and service. Besides, who knows to what regions he might have gone? He is "ever on the wing in pursuance of his self-chose. heaven ordained task of saving mankind from the clutches of its evil propensities. So, as I said, love and wait. If you concentrate your mind and, with purity of heart, pray for his presence, he will not fail to fulfil your true desire. He will come. The force of your love will draw him to your place, wherever he be. Have faith and patience. They will get their reward. ' Raja Shivaabh had accepted the advice. He had begun to love, pray, and wait Every morning and every night before going to sleep, he had prayed earnestly for the Guru to reveal himself to him in person. Having been told that the Guru loved to stay out under open skies, away from the bustle and bustle of human habitations, the Raja had planted a grove of shade trees for the Guru's sojourn. The thing had got wind. Many imposters had come, pose as the Guru, and stayed in the grove. But all of them had failed to satisfy the yearning of his soul. The imposters had made him cautious. Thenceforth, he had issued orders that all who came to his city, posing as GUru Nanak, should be sUbjected to various tests. Rich food and drinks of all sorts were provided. Beautiful damsels were sent to dance before them, to serve them, and to use their arts with them. None had been able to withstand these temptations. Shivnabh's despair had grown deeper with the lapse of time. It was at such a time of doubts and despair that the Guru reached there and took his seat in the grove. Attracted by the divine music and the agnetic personality of the Guru, people came to him in large numbers. Shivnabh had been duped many times in the past. He would not go himself, or believe the stranger to be the Guru, until he had tried and tested him. So he ordered two of his prettiest and cleverest court-dancing-girls to visit the Guru and tempt him with their wiles and charms. If they failed to entice him, then,would he himself visit the holy man. The girls almost danced into the grove, dressed in gay garments, full of laughter and mischief, carrying baskets, full of flowers to offer to the Guru, sure of conquest, proud of their beauty and the magic of their blandishments and passionate music to charm and conquer him as they had done in the case of others. None else was allowed to enter. The Guru and his companions were thus left alone with the unholy, beautiful young charmers. The Guru looked up with a stem, lovefullook, as a father looks at a prankish, erratic child, and bade theJE. sit and think of God. Those who had come to conquer were themselves conquered on beholding the Master's Glory. The Guru's look penetrated deep into the depth of their hearts and cleansed them ofall their evil inclinations. They bowed before the Guru, experienced a sense of elation unknown before, and returned transfigured to their master, the king. Shivnabh had only to look at their faces to convince himself. Their eyes were bright with a strange delight. Their faces glowed with the radiance of the divine spark which, hidden so long in the depths of their hearts, had now been fanned into life by the Guru's holy breath. Shivnabh needed no further tests.•At last he has come', said he, and danced in glee. He took his son and queen with him and went to the garden. The damsels were right. The sight of the Guru's loving, peaceful, radiant, inspiring countenance was enough to lay all doubts at rest, and to soothe and quieten all thoughts of despair. It was He, 192 GURU NANAK DEV : LIFE AND TEACHlNGS the long-exptected Divine Guest. He laid himself prostrate at the Guru's feet. A thrill ofnew life andjoy passed through his whole being. All vain, wandering and restless longings of the heart were laid at rest for ever. His faith and patient waiting were rewarded. The Master himself had come across numerous forests and rivers, and over several thousand miles of wild, desolate land, to fulfil the lovefullonging ofhis desciple. Tne thought made him cling to the Master's feet still more fervently and wash them with tears of joy and gratitude. The prince and the queen also bowed at the Guru's feet and obtained his blessings. All the three rose at the bidding of the Guru. For a pretty long time they sat quietly, feasting their eyes, heart and souls with the heavenly sight before them; enjoying the holy presence through every cell and pore of their bodies, and inhaling unutterable joy at every breath. At last, the king took courage to break this blissful silence. With folded hands he said, 'Grant me light, 0 Master. I have waited for years and years.' The Guru said, 'I have come across all this distance in response to your steadfast, devotion. I know that you were waiting for me.' The Raja then asked 'From your dress, it is difficult to judge whether you are a Jogi, a Brahmin, or a householder. What path do you follow l' The Guru replied with the hymn given below :- The Jogi who knows the secret of the pure Name, has not a particle of uncleanness; The True Beloved Lord is ever with him and he escapes birth and death. o God, what is your Name and how can it be comprehended? If Thou call me unto Thy Presence, I would get this doubt removed. A Brahmin is he who is soaked in knowledge of God, who worshippeth God by ever singing His praises, and Who meditates on the Name of the Lord whose light illumines the three worlds. Make the heart the scales, thy tongue the beam, and weigh the unnweighable Name. The Lord's gate is the shop and He Himself is its owner; dealers in Name alone gather at that shop. The True Guru saves at both ends, here and hereafter. But he alone understands it who is attened to the One Lord and and whose mind wavers not. He inscribes the Word in his mind, serves God day and night, and has ended all his doubts. Above all is the sky (the Tenth Door), wherein abides the Lord. And wherein dwells also the Unfathomable Guru. Through the Guru's Word, whether I am at home or abroad is the same to me; Nanak has become truly detached, an anchoret par excellence.' Rag Maru. In this hymn the Guru stressed the point that men of religion, under whatever name they might choose to be known, were in fact worshippers of the same One God, and were as it were, dealers in the same commodity, the Name of the Lord. TheRaja bowed and said, 'Forgiveme, 0 true Guru. I am impelled to ask questions which people generally ask to resolve their doubts. Your words are like shafts of light which pierce and dispel darkness.' 'Ask whatever you wish to ask' ,said the Guru. 'I am here to remove all your doubts and to lead you on to the true path.' 'I should like', said the Raja, 'to have answers to the following questions: From where does the soul of man come and where does it go? What is its source and to what does it return after death? How is it bound? How is it freed? How does it become one with the Lord Eternal l' The Guru answered with a hymn in which he at ftrst puts the questions and then answers them :- 'Man is born and then dies, 0 wherefrom he comes? What is his source and to what does he return ? How does he merge in the Eternal Lord in the natural way? He who has the nectar of Name in the heart and in the mouth' and who dwells on God's Name, becoms detached like Him. Then he comes and goes in the natural way. He is born because of the desires and tendencies of th~ mind and merges in Him again for the same reason. Through the Guru's instructions one is emancipated and is not bound again. He ever pondes on the Name and achieves deliverance through the Name. On the tree of the world many birds flock together for the night's stay. Of them some are happy and others are miserable;, 1. That is, who ever utters the name. Attachments in the mind are the cause of ruin; As the night ends, they look up at the sky again and the same fluttering of heart starts again; Then they wander about in all directions according to the writ of their Karma. But they who are merged in the Name regard the world as a temporary shelter in a pasture during the rainy season. And, shedding their lust and anger, break the pitcher of the poisonous Maya. Without the capital stock of the Name, the home and the shop are empty. But when the Guru meets, he opens the closed gates of true vision. In consequence of pre-destined union, one meets the true teacher. The men of God are perfeet and are ever happy in Truth. They who surrender their Will and their body to God in the natural way. Nanak, touch feet, for they are worthy of reverence.' Rag Gauri. The Raja's questions were answered to his satisfaction and his doubts were all removed. He was completely converted and he accepted the Guru as his Light-giver. He then said to the Guru, 'Having come so far to bless your unworthy but lucky slaves, will you go a little further? Will you enter the city and sancitify with your presence the home of your happy slaves l' 'No. friena', replied the G~, 'I am aU right here'. But the-king persisted in his entreaties. The Guru smiledand said, 'All right, I shall go; but won't go on foot' 'Why should you walk, Master? A horse, a horse and six, or an elephant, or whatever else you desire, shall be sent for.' 'But I should like to ride on the back of a king.' 'Nothing more pleasant or blissful, my Master. Come, I shall blithely carry you on my back through the city, so that allmay know the immensity of my joy.' Shivnabh at once sat in the necessary posture and invited the Guru to be true to his word and ride on his back. The Guru was glad at the Raja's devotion and self-surrender. He bade him go and build a dharmsala near the palace.He would go there when it was ready. The building was soon completed. The Guru went and took his lodgings there. People now flocked to the place in order to listen to his soul-stirring, peace-giving, joy-inspiring Songs of the Lord. The whole city and the suburbas bowed before the Guru and became his disciples. Raja Shivnabh, as the most devoted of them all, was entrusted with the duty of preaching the Master's mission in the country. After a short stay the Guru bade farewell to the sangar there and made a tour of the whole island. In all place he was listened to with reverence and delight. The whole population of the places visited by him embraced his faith and began to sing the Word of God as given to them by him. Sikh sangats came to exist in all places visited by the Guru and Sikh temples were erected in many of them. One such temple exists at Colombo. During his stay with Raja Shivnabh the Guru composed the Prasangli, a metrical composition 'containing an account of the silent palace ofGod, the manner of meditating an account of the silent palace of God, the manner of meditating on Him, the private utterances of the Guru, and the nature of the soul and body.' It was taken down by one or other of his two companions, When the Guru departed from Shivnabh, he left the Pransangli there with the instruction that ifanybody comes for it from the Panjab, a copy there of was to be given over to him. When Guru Atjan, the fifth Guru, began to collect the writings of his predecessors for the compilation of Guru Granth Sahib, he sent Bhai Paira to Ceylon to bring him the above-said composition of Guru Nanak. We do not, however, find it in Guru Granth Sahib, probably"the copy which Bhai Paira brought was not the genuine one or was incomplete and was, therefore, rejected by Guru Atjan. On his return, Bhai Paira narrated his experiences and observations of his long journey. A gist of the narrative was taken down by Bhai Banno in his copy of Guru Granth Sahib under the caption 'Haqiqa Rah Mukam', and exists to this day. A copy thereof is 'appended to a manuscript copy of Guru Granth Sahib found by Henry Erskine, in the battle-field ofGujrat, 1849, now preserved in the British Museum, under Or, 1125.'1 This manuscript belongs to Akbar's time and affords a very valuable record from the historical point of view, as it establishes certain points beyond all doubts, e.g, the vist ofGuru to the Decean and Ceylon, the establishment of several centres of the Sikh faith in those parts (which were quite flourishing at the time ofBhai Paira's visit and some of which exist to this day), and the fact of Raja Shivnabh's having 1. Teja Singh Ganda Singh, p. 9.fn. 1% GURU NAJIIAK DEY :LIFE AND TEACHINGS embraced Sikhism. At the time of Bhai Paira's visit, a grandson of Shivnabh was the ruler of the place. A free kitchen was being run at the Dharmsala which Shivnabh had built for the Guru. Thousands were fed there everyday. Bhai Paira found a good many centres of Sikhism in the Deccan, where the Guru was fondly loved and remembered by thousands who sang his Songs and devoutly followed the path which he had shown to them.

Sri Lanka had an islamic past so be careful of encountering things like mardana nagar the persian terms can be derived from other names. When you look in books about guru nanak and sri lanka look up it's older name ceylon.

sullah lie all the time they make up names