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As for congress party meddling, if that is the case then isn't Balbir Singh just following Santa's example? It's a bit rich complaining about congress meddling when that's all what the Budha dal have been about for the last 30 years or so. Next you'll be complaining that one of the factions is being backed by the Indian government! How quickly we forget or is it that some people don't know what happened just 25 years ago! Valli Singh You might want to read up on history before taking the words of some Nihangs that Budha Dal is 'Panjvan' Takht. For there to be a Panjvan Takht there has to be 4 other Takhts. Akal Takht was the first Takht and during British times various places were given titles of Takhts. Even Muktsar was at one time referred to as Takht. The term Panjvan Takht came into being in the 1920s and has nothing to do with Guru Gobind Singh's time. proactive, you seem to be in quite a slanderous mood doing nindaya of Baba Santa Singh ji who has done more seva for the Panth in his one lifetime than all the future generations of your family could do in a million incarnations, shame on you. Baba Santa Singh Sahib has preserved and spread the wisdom of Sri Sarbloh Granth ji and Prachin Panth Prakash across the world, what have you spread other than slander and ignorance in your own limited sphere? You are right, why should we listen to Nihangs who hold Guruji's Bana when we can freely partake of the wisdom of someone who takes their name from a popular acne solution? I would pay to see you venture into Talwandi Sabo and tell Baba Surjit Singh's chaunni that they are not Panjvan Takht. Mahan Kosh states that the four non-moving takhats are: Keshgarh Sahib, Hazur Sahib, Patna Sahib and Akal Takht, Budha Dal has always functioned as a non-local takht which is why Maharaja Ranjit Singh was subjected to punishment by Akali Phoola Singh ji, this is because Budha Dal's role is to ensure that the other four takhts function in accordance with Gurmat. This role is even symbolized in the Nihang Bana itself: "The tall turban called a damala is surmounted by a cloth or a flag (pharhara). Around this turban are placed one or two steel or iron rings/quoits. The vertical position of where this ring is worn signifies the individuals spiritual attainment; the higher the ring the greater the spiritual development. There main diagrammatic symbol for explaining their idea of chakravorty is the swastika: which symbolises rotational movement through four static points around a centre. The four points represent the four established Takhts, and the rotation through them represent the moving fifth Takht of the Nihangs that is meant to keep the four stationary Takhts in check." http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/sikhism/akalis.html

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Excellent post Rajkhalsa9, Balbir's 'faction' seems to be shrinking, it has been widely (and probably falsely) reported that he has 10, 000 nihangs under him--I have never seen more than 20 to 50 nangs with him, so it is less of a faction and more of a dissenting subgroup of mutineers.

Akalifaujan, As usual you are absolutely on point. I agree, the Balbir policy has been a wallowing failure for the SGPC as a 'public relations stunt' to infiltrate Dal Panth, I'm sure they thought they could buy legitimacy, obviously they were wrong. When Balbir originally broke with Baba Santa Singh, he was disgraced (many have spoken of his love for alcohol and debauchery) he was a confused youth, the SGPC immediatley approached him and set him up as the jathedar recognized by 3 of the 5 takhats, if you look back to newspaper articles from this time you will see that EVERY paper refers to Balbir as the head of Budha Dal, even now the article originally posted again says he is the head of Budha Dal---who but the SGPC has this kind of reach and credibility? It's funny though, in 2007 after Balbir's coronation, the SGPC had all the papers and news outlets print that Nanaksar, Kaleran; Rara Sahib, Nirmalay Sampardai, Damdami Taksal all supported Balbir, the NEXT day ALL of these Sampardais angrily called these papers and told them they were with Baba Joginder Singh ji NOT Balbir and could they please correct this. So publicity wise it has not worked, but in terms of siezing Budha Dal's assets, deras, lands and properties they have succeded because Balbir took the thumbprints of Baba Santa Singh when he was in a coma, in fact it was widely reported in Punjab that Balbir sold hundreds of acres of Budha Dal's land to the SGPC shortly after he was named jathedar in 2007, I guess he was just thanking his bosses.

Your very welcome Veerji, I live in Canada but am in constant contact with with the Raqba sangat.

The history of the SGPC meddling in Nihang affairs is VERY extensive, look back to 1967 when they contested Buddha Dal's centuries old position as Panjvan Takht by announcing that the 'Panth' had decided to name Damdama Sahib the fifth takht, they only missed Guru Sahib by a few hundred years on that one! Then they renamed Dumalla Garh Sahib in Anandpur 'Manji Sahib' to soften it's associations with the origins of Nihang bana. The SGPC is still using the British playbook to DIVIDE and CONQUER, they've done it with Damdami Taksaal and they tried it with Balbir Singh, it's simple, you take a dissident figure-head, tell him he's the jathedar, formally recognize him, legally back him up, and set him up against his actual rival and guess what--you've got a pretty good chance of splitting any jathebandi in half which means half the power, half the influence, it's an old game that the SGPC is still learning, but give them time, I'm sure they are cunning enough to one day perfect it.

Too bad the SGPC bought him a bullet-proof vehicle, Balbir Singh has been excommunicated twice from Budha Dal, once in the 80's by Baba Santa Singh and again two years ago by ALL of Dal Panth at a Gurmatta after he informed falsely on Baba Surjit Singh. Balbir is a mini version of Nang Ajit Poola, it is a well known fact that he helped the authorities murder militants in the mid 80's, even his own website states that he is close to and has trained the Punjab police. He is really quite pathetic, the SGPC named him jathedar even though he has no farla, and they circulated a video of him having a dastaar tied while an incapacitated Baba Santa Singh looked on, well first of all that event was the bhog for his father's funeral--at which time it's customary for the eldest son to have a turban tied, and secondly a dastar-bandi for succession can only rightfully take place AFTER the present jathedar is deceased. It's funny how every Holla Mohalla Balbir and his gang ride behind the SGPC float! I doubt he's fooling anyone now though, Bidhi Chand Dal, Guru Nanak Dal and ALL branches of Tarna Dal formally elected Baba Joginder Singh and Baba Surjit Singh as the Jathedar and acting jathedar of Buddha Dal respectively.

Well it really depends alot on your personal tastes, whether you like pop, r & b etc, MTV... I'm sure if you listened to oldies like Frank Sinatra you'd be speaking more beautiful english than anyone! But again, music will only help if you practise singing the lyrics and trying to sound like the singer, T.V and Films are much better as they are more conversation-oriented though.

Thank you Veer Khalistan Zindabab ji.

Can someone kindly translate the gist of what was said back and forth? Thanks

English movies, tv and music--especially films and t.v like news programs will teach you things like proper intonation, regional dialect, and clear pronounciation not to mention vocabulary broadening and word choice--in a way that books and cassetes never could. I have many relatives that learnt fluent english simply by watching hours of tv a day, but you have to mimic good speakers and apply what you learn by implementing it into your conversations otherwise it'll only be in your head.

There is no such thing as the cow being sacred or highest form before mankind. I dont know which SGGSJ you have been getting your Gian from but it aint the same Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that we all read from. . Your saint is sure teaching you bipran ke reet no doubt about that. Your stories about Guru ji enforcing death penalties is utter rubish and made up by most likely brahmins who want to distort Sikh history. Your unitelligable post reveals nothing other than your struggles with illiteracy, I called you a khalistani in the pejorative and not connotative sense, meaning I was dismissing the incredulous anger you expressed in your fanatic ravings above which are indicative of a non-inclusive Sikhism which frowns upon diversity in the Panth as you obviously do. I actually DO NOT follow these Sants or the Nirmala Sampardai, but I do know their history and thus I respect them, if you had nothing positve to say you shouldn't have spoken as you were forewarned. If Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj didn't impose capital punishment on cow killers why did he ask for divine intervention to "exterminate the foriegners who abominate cow slaughter" in his Uggardanti Bani? Guru Amardas ji in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji says: If a Brahmin kills a cow or a female infant, and accepts the offerings of an evil person, he is cursed with the leprosy of curses and criticism; he is forever and ever filled with egotistical pride. Kabir Sahib also denounces the killing of cows in his bani. 'bipran ki reet' is the favorite phrase of Kala Afghana, so I can see where you picked it up.

Bijla Singh, In your previous post you have enumerated far too many self-serving delusions for me to address in ten posts let alone one. You seem to be one of those slippery scholars who love to demand references from others, but who offer none to consolidate their own baseless claims, though, should you choose to disobey this self-imposed double standard I can't imagine that your obviously ultraradical and reactionary perspective of Sikhi would allow you to quote anyone residing on the outskirts of your aforesaid worldview. That is a very fanciful fairytale you have concocted about Baba Sri Chand who was recognized as the most eminent fakir of his times by all, Guru Ram Das himself called Sri Chand ji a complete brahmgiani, check any Udasi source material and you will find Baba Gurditta ji listed as Sri Chand's successor. Though this fact seems impalatable for you. Secondly, I was not invoking Khalistan and all it implies connotatively in my reply to Mrs. Gupt Kaur, I was using the term khalistani dismissively in it's vague pejorative sense to encapsulate the fanatical bent displayed by the aforementioned poster. Thirdly, Purataan Sikh History prior to the arrival of the British IS ALL Sanataan for want of a better term. Fourthly, you asked for sources regarding Sikh views of cow-slaughter, here they are: 1. In Bhai Mani Singh's Pothi Janam Sakhi of Guru Nanak he relates the following conversation between Guru Sahib and God in which Guruji states; "By your grace, I have turned the wheel of the Dharma of the 'name of Truth' in three directions of India, and the fourth direction of the west remains. In that fourth direction, the Mlecchas are guilty of the murder of cows and Brahmins. They have defiled all the pure bathing places (on the banks of rivers) and pilgrimage sites of the Hindus. They are idolaters and they call the tombs and walls of Mecca and Medina, the house of Allah, and worship it. And even still, they don't consider themselves idolaters while they themselves worship stones. Thus, if it be Your will, then (after) going to Mecca and Medina to give those Mlecchas the teachings of the 'name of Truth', I shall return." 2. In Uggardanti Bani, Guru Gobind Singh ji asks for divine intervention so that he may "exterminate the foriegners who abominate by slaughtering cows". 3.Bhai Gurdas Vaar 17 Pauri 21 Counting the slanderers and apostates: Millions are slanderers, millions are apostates and millions of wicked persons are untrue to their salt. Unfaithful, ungrateful, thieves, vagabonds and millions of other infamous persons are there. Thousands are there who are slayers of Brahmin, cow, and their own family. Why did Abdali and other plunderers desecrate Darbara Sahib and Tham Sahib by bathing them in the blood of cows and clog the holy sarovers therearound with the carcasses and entrails of cows, why would he consider that such an inflammatory insult to Sikhs if we didn't at least respect cows (although cows are obviously not worshipped by Sikhs). Why did Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahiib give Bhai Kanhaiyaji SevaPanthi the hukam to build havens for cows? I must admire your impartiality as you have even provided a link to your own post as evidence.

Fair enough.

Khaalis is correct, actually the spiritual reason for touching a saint's/elder's feet is that when you touch someone's feet you are humbling yourself before them and by doing so you get their kamai as a result.

Akalifaujan ji, You are one thousand percent right, on pg 414 of Prachin Panth Prakash it states that Baba Gurbax Singh ji awoke every morning and drank Sukhnidhaan, becoming intoxicated he would attend to his daily affairs, If the so-called jathedar of 'Damdami Taksal' (I'm sorry, I see him only as a Tarna Dal Nihang) drank Sukha, who is anybody in taksaal to say anything about Dal Panth Maryada? P.S I am only critical of those in DDT who demean Dal Panth because otherwise we are VERY close with Taksaal as they are doing alot to promote Dasam Bani.

Brother Matheen ji, I know that Bhai Nand Lal took amrit later in life, my point was that while he was sehajdhari he held a high eminence in Guruji's court. It is a well known fact that maste fakir Baba Biram Das Udasi who was Guru Gobind Singh's blood relative and who didn't keep his kesh was famously blessed with full darshan of Dashmesh Pitaji. You are right, we have gone off topic.

True, especially since Guru Sahib wrote that his Sikhs should not come before Him without Kesh and weapons. Chalo, Jo Guru Noo Bhaunda....... P.S. Interesting lineage. Most other branches of the Bhai Daya Singh Samparda show that Baba Khuda Ji (Baba Jaswant Singh Ji) didn't have any successor. Are there any contemporary sources that state Guru Ji gave permission to remove shaster? Though I don't want to be accused of whipping a dead horse, I must address the sad prevalence of post-British perception of many here who are prone to spitefully or unknowingly demean Sehajdhari Sikhs in a way that even our Gurus NEVER did, in this spirit please consider these excerpts of the contributions of Sehajdhari Sikhs to the Panth and of Guru Gobind Singh, Mata Sundri and Mata Sahib Devi's liberal use of the word 'Khalsa' from Sikhnet: Regarding Sehajdharis, Two of them – Bhai Nand Lal and Bhai Kanhaiya – enjoyed great esteem. Bhai Nand Lal a great Persian scholar and poet, maintained at Anandpur a Langar or refectory open to visitors all the twenty four hours. Bhai Kanhaiya won the Guru’s admiration and is remembered in the Sikh tradition to this day for the devotion with which he served the wounded in battle, making no distinction between friend and foe.[/color] In the early part of the eighteenth century when Sikhs suffered fierce persecution and when to be a Keshadhari, that is to bear Kesh or long hair, was to invite sure death, the Sahajdharis looked after their places of worship and protected the households and the kith and kin of those driven to seek safety in hill and jungle. Some even defied the persecutors and courted martyrdom as did the teenaged Haqiqat Rai, who was beheaded in public for his refusal to disown his Sikh belief and accept Islam. A leading Sahajdhari Sikh of that time was Kaura Mall, a minister to the Mughal governor of Lahore, Muin ul Mulk (1748-53), who helped the Sikhs in diverse ways in those days of severe trial. He has so much endeared himself to them that they called him Mittha (‘sweet’ in Punjabi) Mall instead of Kaura(which in Punjabi means bitter) Mall. Sikh tradition also recalls another Sahajdhari, Des Raj of this period who was entrusted by the Khalsa with the task of having reconstructed the Harimandir, demolished by the Afghan invader Ahmed Shah Durrani, in 1762. Dina Nath was Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s finance minister. Bhai Vasti Ram, a learned man well versed in Sikh Scripture, enjoyed considerable influence at the court. ....... Regarding Guru Gobind Sigh, Mata Sundri and Mata Sahib Devi: Guru Gobind Singh has been very liberal in his use of the word Khalsa when referring to the Sangat and to the people who have not taken the Amrita and to those whose names do not end in Singh. The following references from the book of Hukamnamas will bring out the truth of the above statement. He wrote on March 12, 1699 before the Baisakhi of that year to the Sangat of Machiwara, that this Sangat is the Khalsa of the Guru. On Oct 5, 1699 Guru Gobind Singh used the same words to the Sangat of Sarangdeo. It became routine for him to write or use the word Khalsa to any Sangat he addressed. He also used the word to other individuals and even devoted Muslims. He writes to Bhai Mehar Chand, Dharam Chand, and Karam Chand of Khufia Nivas, Bhai Bideraban, and Gulal Chand on Feb 6, 1702 that you are my Khalsa. Another letter of 1704 addressed to Bhai Sukhia, Bhai Mukhia, and Bhai Parsa stated that Sarb Sangat is my Khalsa. Mata Sundri Ji on Oct 12, 1717 wrote a letter and addressed to many people including Bhai Debi Dass, Bhai Gulab Rai. It stated that Sarbat Sangat is the Khalsa of Akal Purkh. In yet another letter of October 20, 1722, she wrote to Bhai Gul Mehar (Muslim), Bhai Kan Ji, Bhai Duni Chand, Bhai Bakshi Mal, Bhai Sahib Rai, Bhai Kaku Mal, Bhai Jagat Rai, Bhai Rup Chand, Bhai Kirpa Rai, Bhai Chatter Bhoj, Bhai Kaura Mal, Bhai Babu Rai, Bhai Chuna Mal, and Bhai Danja Rai, that you are all Guru Ka Khalsa. In a letter of June 2, 1723, she again wrote the same to Bhai Dodh Singh, Bakhtawar Singh, Hukam Singh, Babar Mal, and Prem Chand. Another letter of hers dated October 18, 1723, addressed to Bhai Chain Singh, Bhai Bhopat Singh, Bhai Alam Singh, and Bhai Mani Singh had similar content. This is also true of another one written to Gur Bakhash on August 10, 1730. Mata Sahib Devi wrote a similar letter to Bhai Duna, Bhai Sabha, Bhai Ala, and Bhai Bhakta. Another letter of hers, dated March 19, 11730, addressed to Bhai Thaku Dass, Bhai Sahba Mal Chapia, Bhai Sinbhu Nath, and Bhai Sahib Rai carried similar content. Still another letter of April 12, 1759 from Khalsa to Khalsa stated the same. With all the above references it is pretty clear that the word Khalsa has been used for Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs who believe in Sikh philosophy, follow the ten Gurus, and SGGS. The word Khalsa denotes spiritual character of an individual rather than physical appearance. It should not be used primarily to refer those Sikhs with beard and turbans. Khalsa is one who remembers the Name of the Lord night and day and who gives no thought to anyone but one God. His quest to be with his Lord remains unquenchable. Khalsa is one who has full faith and love for his God and who has no faith in worshiping anything else.

UK Gupt Kaur You are obviously a self-righteous Neo-Sikh khalistani ignoramous possessing NO knowledge of Purataan Sikh history prior to the arrival of the British and the SGPC. First of all cows are sacred in Indian culture and Sikh Philosphy because the cow is the highest birth in lakh chaurasi, and thus the transmigratory chain can be seen as an evolutionary process extending from non-sentient mineral lifeforms and sentient insectoids and rising through the reptilian and mamalian species (such as the cow) before progressing into the human form. This is why the consumption of beef is considered such a sin, Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib and Guru Gobind Singh ji were VERY vocal about enforcing the death penalty upon the killers of cows, and they even refered to themselves many times as being 'Gopal' or the protectors of cows. In Khalsa Raj under Maharaja Ranjit Singh it was also a hanging offense to kill cows, Sri Baba Sahib Singh Bedi Maharaj exterminated whole villages of beef-eaters simply for killing cows. Are these Mahapurukhs attached to bipran ki reet as you so eloquently put it? Sant Darbara Singh was a maste fakir and pooran brahmgyani who had darshan of Dashmesh Pita, what do you know of that Gurmat? Santji forcibly shut down many meat production plants in Punjab and rescued the cows that is upholding God's Dharam, at Lopon they are respected and not put under any strain, if they were given away how would their safety be ensured.

Khaalis, The only thing I would like to point out about your post is that it is a common misconception that Baba Sahib Singh Bedi was a Nirmala, (this false notion has been spread on Niddar Singh's site and elsewhere). For many generations me and my family have been devout followers of the Laxman Das Sampardai, which is actually the oldest, unbroken Sant/Satguru lineage in Sikh history as it was given by Guru Nanak to his son Baba Laxman Das ji as a grishti lineage that would never end until Sat Yug. This lineage of brahmgianis flourished as a Sehajdhari gaddi in which the Gurdev wore the same clothing as Baba Nanak (seli topi and robes) until Guru Gobind Singh gave a boon to Baba Kaladhari Bedi that his sipahi jyot would blaze this samparda into prominence, Baba Ajit Singh Bedi, the next in line took Amrit from Buddha Dal and gave brahmgyan to his son Baba Sahib Singh Bedi, who in turn gave brahmgyan to Baba Bikaram Singh. So my point is, this sant lineage far pre-existed the Daya Singh Sampardai, Sobha Singh was not Sahib Singh Bedi's guru, but Baba Sahib Singh Bedi gave brahmgian to Baba Bhag Singh and also to the great Bir Singh who did seva at Una Sahib for only a short time before becoming god-conscious by Baba Sahib Singh's grace who also gave the boon that Baba Hotimardan Wale would be born. So yes he is technically part of that lineage and he granted it many boons, but he was not a Nirmala--he was a Nihang of Budha Dal and he had his own pre-existing lineage with a Bedi predecessor and successor. This lineage still exits to this day in Panjab under Baba Karam Singh (Banur Sahib), though the Bedi family head is the famous Sarbjot Singh who is a well-known politicial figure.

Thank you to Veerji Kam 1825 and Namastang for sharing their learned light with those unknowing of the great contributions of Nirmalay to the Panth. Though I am a sevadar of Dal Panth I have had the good fortune of sharing friendship with the Canadian representative of this Sampardai and so I have a general working knowledge of its history I have also been fortunate enough to meet the current Mahant of this Nirmala Akara--Sant Jagjit Singh (Lopon Wale) and have found him to be a completely God-intoxicated mystic who humbly considers himself to be a low servant of Guru Nanak Dev ji and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj, he is doing alot for women's education, modernizing Punjab and spreading Gurbani in english. Mista Singh and Jagmeet have both asked about Sant Darbara Singh and the cow sanctuary, Sant Darbara Singh was a pooran brahmgyani who attained God-consciousness at a very young age, his Gurdev jokingly refered to him as 'Pandit ji' due to his wealth of knowledge, in time he completely built Kiratpur Sahib and re-built Takhtupura both of which lay in decay in the 50's and 60's. I have seen many pictures of Sant ji wearing a turban, he did not cut his kesh, it was naturally short, but he did trim his beard because he was an all maste fakir like Baba Biram Das ji, who are we to question brahmgianis and their spontaneous ways of love with God? Sant Darbara Singh and Baba Biram Das both had full darshan of Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj despite being Sahajdhari, how can we ever know how much love they had with God? As a good friend recently told me "there is no set maryada for Nirmalay, we should learn to appreciate the beautiful diversity in this sampardai where some are sant sipahis and some all maste fakirs". Khalistan Zindabad has myopically parroted Baba Gurbachan Singh ji's katha that only those who wear white and keep the five k's are sampardais, Nihangs wear blue so are they not a sampardai when Mahan Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji himself was a full-fledged member of Buddha Dal? Veerji how can you be so shortsighted when Sri Maan Baba Sundar Singh ji took gian from Udasi and Nirmala Mahapurukhs, even bathing Jawala Das Udasi with his own hands to get knowledge of God, Baba Sundar Singh ji never discriminated or compartmentalized others like this he was so thirsty for brahmgyan he went wherever it was to be gained, he learnt from Baba Ram ji Udasi, Baba Gulab Singh Nirmala and Sri Maan Baba Bishan Singh ji Nirmala who was his Gurdev! Baba Bishan Singh ji travelled to Badree Nath and learnt Sanskrit from Pandit Tara Singh for 9 years--this is from Damdami Taksals own website--who are we with our Khlasa Utopian self-righteousness to question the ways of brahmgianis when our own forefathers were more open-minded than us. Are these Nirmalay and Udasis good enough to instruct Sri Maan Baba Sunder Singh, but not good enough to be considered Sampardais when Guru Nanak Sahib and Guru Gobind Singh blessed both of these Sampardais? Nirmalay and Udasis pre-date the Khalsa and so they are exempt from keeping the 5 k's--though some of them choose to. Guru Nanak Sahib ji himself gave the sadhu gaddi of the Udasi's to Baba Sri Chand ji, Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji sat his own son, Baba Gurditta on the Udasi gaddi, Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj left Anandpur Sahib in the charge of the Udasis, the Udasis have done more missionary work of spreading Sikhism all over India than the SGPC could do in 7 lifetimes, they even spread Guru Nanak's wisdom as far as Russia!! All of these great Sampardais like Mastuana, Rara Sahib, Nanaksaar have Nirmalay origins, in purataan times Nihangs would get their whole education from Nirmalay and Udasin Akaras--though this changed with the coming of the British. In light of the above, I humbly ask at the lotus feet of the sangat that anyone who has spoken in haste or made inflammatory comments, to please edit them.

Good job. When will the articles be updated?

Veerji, Sant Gurbachan Singh ji took amrit from Buddha Dal jathedar Baba Sahib Singh Kaladhari, he latter left the Dal amicably to join the jatha of Baba Sunder Singh ji, Khaalis, I agree completely with you brother, but did Ishar Singh really take amrit from Dal Panth? .

Jagmeet Veerji, Please refer to my earlier detailed post in this topic which explains the history of nihangs and taksaals, Baba Gurbaksh Singh ji was not jathedar of Akal Takhat or Dal Panth, he was a jathedar of Tarna Dal Shaheedi Misl which is subservient to Budha Dal, only the Jathedar of Budha Dal can be jathedar of Dal Panth and Akal Takhat. Furthermore Baba ji was not the 'jathedar' of any Taksal external to Dal Panth he may have headed a taksal under Tarna Dal's supervision but jathedhari was never given in those times over the schools.

Barfi ji is right, there could be an underlying medical condition such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome