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This is true. They have hair cuts and wear ear rings and be flirting on girls and mocking the Amritdharis. They also come to Vaisakhi Mela and wear I am proud to be Sikh jackets and smoke and drink alcohol.

..do plenty of Chaupai Sahib Paath. Only 10% of people actually go to study the rest do other things.

This list is crazy even police officers are on the list. The old British policy of divide and conquer hasn't changed. Indians living in Muslim ghettos have problems so this racist party stirs up trouble. On their website they call all Asians "as a dog born in a stable".

This is correct. I heard the Ishnaan is not valid if we excrete after doing it. The whole point of doing Ishnaan is to be Suasth and then do the Nitnem. Some say the Ishnaan is not valid if we don't wash the Kes?

I saw this coming from miles away. Will it become a "nanny state" or a "Islamic state"? 'Close to 3m unemployed' by 2010 Businesses are struggling as the credit crunch bites. The UK's recession will be tougher and longer than first thought, the business group CBI has warned. It estimates that the economy will shrink by 1.7% in 2009, a dramatic downgrade from the forecast of 0.3% growth the CBI gave in September. The group added that unemployment could peak at close to 2.9 million by 2010, up from 1.8 million at present. Business Secretary Lord Mandelson has defended government plans to increase borrowing to boost the economy. "We have to take every action we can as a government," he told the BBC. He said the recession was "not made by the government" but that it was the government's job is to make the recession "as short and as painless as possible". "Now people will say but you're resorting to borrowing in order to deliver the stimulus that's needed," added. "My answer to that is what is the alternative?" 'New order' Meanwhile, the UK's biggest union, Unite, has drawn up a 10-point plan to invigorate the UK economy. What is clear is that the short and shallow recession we had hoped for a matter of months ago is now likely to be deeper and longer lasting John Cridland, CBI deputy director general How to cope with the downturn It includes an increase in public spending and a halt to house repossessions. It also calls for a million new affordable homes to be built. The union also wants to see support for manufacturing, a windfall tax on energy firms' profits, tighter regulation of the financial sector, and increased worker rights. Unite joint general secretary Derek Simpson called for "a new economic order". Downgrade The CBI report said it had hoped the recession would be "shallow" but said October's banking sector turmoil now made this unlikely. The UK economy shrank for the first time in 16 years between July and September, confirming that the UK is on the brink of recession. The UK will be technically classed as being in recession if the economy, as expected, contracts in the fourth quarter as well. John Cridland, CBI's deputy director general, said that turmoil in the banking system in September and October had sent consumer and business confidence plummeting. "Given the speed and force at which the downturn has hit the economy, we have reassessed and downgraded our expectations for UK economic growth," he said. "But the fast-moving and global nature of this crisis means it is impossible to look far ahead with any certainty. "What is clear is that the short and shallow recession we had hoped for a matter of months ago is now likely to be deeper and longer lasting." 'Troublesome' Mr Cridland told the BBC that the slowdown in the economy was the effect of a "double whammy". "First of all the banking crisis had really deep effects on the availability of credit for business - not only credit from the banks, but credit insurance as well - and that is now proving troublesome for an awful lot of businesses small and large," he said. "Alongside that, the impact of relentless bad news every day on the news has caused people to stop spending - companies as well as individuals - so there's a sharp fall in demand for products and services and businesses having to batten down the hatches." The CBI expects the economy to contract by 0.8% in the final quarter of 2008 and says the economy will continue to shrink in the subsequent three quarters before beginning to recover in 2010. Recovery 'long way off' The group forecasts that interest rates could possibly fall as low as 1.5%, from 3% currently, as the Bank of England moves to kick-start the economy. It said inflation was likely to ease, with the rate of consumer price rises expected to fall to 1.7% from 4.2%. Mr Cridland told the BBC: "We're predicting something like five quarters of negative growth. "I think we would see the last quarter of 2009 - in other words a year from now - at the point where hopefully we would just begin to get back to steady growth and then a beginning of an upturn in 2010. "So I'm afraid it's quite a long way off."

In our past lives we were donkeys, snakes, pigs and birds etc so we have to eradicate all this bad animal Karma in one life! but i heard a Amritdhari gets 10,000 more chances WOW When we are doing Simran and Paath all this Karma comes together in one go inside you and burns away. But when we go out somewhere the Karma is building again. So Gurbani is the way to control it.

Meditation has stages. The Dhur Ki Bani has come straight to us from Waheguru via Shabad. There is no mention of third eye in Gurbani other than the Dasm Duar. There is no mention of Yogic postures other than listening to Gurbani. Amrit Bani Har Har Teri Sun Sun Hove Param Gat Meri.

Kirpan Da Amrit (The Nectar Of Sword) (Amrit Pal Singh ‘Amrit’) The Sikh Religion is like a school. The Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the principal and the only teacher in this school. Though anyone can take free lessons from the Holy Sri Guru Granth Sahib, the certified students learn more quickly, because they are the regular students. The regular students attend their classes. They take daily lessons. Every school has an admission system. Most of the schools publish an admission form. If someone wants to get admission, he has to fill up the form and submit it in the office. He has to appear in an interview. The interviewer asks some question and if he is satisfied, he admits the interviewee into his school. The school of Sikh Religion has its own procedure of admission. If someone wants to get admission into this school, he/she has to follow the procedure. He/she will have to appear for an interview. The ‘Panj Piyare’ (five beloved ones) are the interviewers in this school. The seeker of admission appears before them. They ask him/her some questions. If they are satisfied, they tell the rules of the school. If the seeker is ready to follow the rules, he/she can get the admission. But the procedure of admission is not completed yet. The five beloved ones prepare the ‘Amrit’, the nectar. This nectar is prepared and distributed to the seeker in a ceremony, which is called ‘Amrit Sanchar’. The nectar is prepared in an iron bowl. The five beloved ones sit around it. Clean water and sweet puffs are put in the iron bowl. The five beloved ones recite the Gurbani (Jap ji, Jaap sahib, Swayyas, Chaupayee and Anand Sahib) one by one and keep stirring the water with a ‘khanda’ (double-edged sword). This is the Sikh baptism. Because this nectar is prepared using the ‘khanda’, so it is called ‘Khande Da Amrit’ (the nectar of double-edged sword). It is also called ‘Khande Dee Pahul’, ‘Pahul Khandedhaar’ and ‘Khandedhaar Pahul’. This ‘Khande Da Amrit’ is distributed to every man and woman, who wants to get the admission into the Holy school of Sikh Religion, who wants to be the Sikh of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. When some people visit Takht Sri Hazoor Sahib, they find that the women are baptized by the kirpan (sword) instead of ‘khanda’ during ‘Amrit Sanchar’. While baptizing the women, only Jap Ji Sahib, few stanzas from Jaap Sahib, and six stanzas from Anand Sahib is read. Only one beloved one (Panj Piyara) prepares the Amrit. This Amrit is called ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’. Here, I want to make it clear that there are two types of ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’. One is distributed to the women while baptism. Other is distributed to newborn baby. The ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’ distributed to newborn baby is not considered a baptism. It is distributed so that the parents can eat with their babies in a same utensil. It is considered a religious ritual. The distribution of ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’ to newborn is a very old tradition in some Gursikh Families. An Amritdhari person recites Sri Jap Ji Sahib and prepares the nectar in an iron bowl with a sword. (Some people recite only first five stanzas of Sri Jap Ji Sahib). Then he put some drops of it into the mouth of newborn using the sword as a spoon. My Nana Ji (the father of mother) himself prepared ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’, when I was born. I was distributed ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’ by my Nana Ji himself. It is an old tradition in our families and still kept alive. I do not find anything wrong in this tradition. Distributing this Amrit to newborn is not the baptism. When the child grows, it has to take ‘Khande Da Amrit’. I was distributed ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’ when I was born, but later I was baptized through ‘Khande Da Amrit’. Now, let us discuss about the ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’ as a baptism for the women. I am a Hazoori Singh (often called Hazooriya). I tasted the holy nectar (Amrit) at Takht Sri Hazoor Sahib. I myself saw that the women were baptized by a single beloved one. He prepared the nectar by a small sword. Though, it is said that Jap Ji, few stanzas from Jaap Sahib, and six stanzas from Anand Sahib is read while preparing ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’; it is possible that only the Jap Ji Sahib is read practically. The people want to know what is its history. They want to know what is the logic behind it to baptize the women by kirpan instead of khanda. I think that the book ‘Sri Hazoori Maryada Prabodh’ represents the views of the people, who support ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’ for women. ‘Sri Hazoori Maryada Prabodh’ is written by Singh Sahib Joginder Singh ji, the then Jathedar of Takht Sachkhand Abichal Nagar Hazoor Sahib (He died some years ago). It was written and published in 1967. I used its first edition while giving references. In this book, the topic ‘Kirpan Da Amrit Maayeeyaan Noon’ (the nectar of sword for women) has been discussed (from page 235 to page 246). Singh Sahib Joginder Singh ji has given a reference to a book ‘Khalsa Dharam Shashtar’. Singh Sahib Joginder Singh wrote that according to ‘Khalsa Dharam Shashtar’, it is an old tradition to distribute ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’ to the woman. At the beginning, only ‘Charan Pahul’ (the water, which is used to wash the feet of Guru) was allowed for women. But some Amritdhari (who tasted the nectar) men do not eat the food, which is cooked by non-Amritdhari, so it was thought that women should be distributed ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’. The other reason given in the book is that without ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’, the women cannot get useful ideas to help their warrior husbands. This was the reason to distribute ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’ to the women. Actually, the writer of ‘Khalsa Dharam Shashtar’ is trying to say that even ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’ was not allowed for the women. The ‘Charan Pahul’ was the valid baptism for them. The writer did not tell that if ‘Charan Pahul’ was the valid baptism for the women, then who started the ‘Kirpan Da Amrit’. He did not tell whether eating the food, which is cooked only by an Amritdhari, is based on the Gurbani or not. He did not tell whether such Amritdhari persons take the medicines prepared by non-Amritdhari people or not. It is the accepted fact that after March 30, 1699 A.D., when ‘Khalsa Panth’ was created, Guru Gobind Singh did not distribute anyone his ‘Charan Pahul’. ‘Khande Da Amrit’ was a substitute for the ‘Charan Pahul’. How was it possible that the women were still being baptized through ‘Charan Pahul’? If someone still persists, he should tell that whose ‘feet’ were being washed to prepare ‘Charan Pahul’ after Guru Gobind Singh left his physical body. So, it is wrong to say that ‘Charan Pahul’ was a valid baptism even after the creation of Khalsa Panth or after 1708 A.D. (when Guru Gobind Singh left his physical body). According to the writer of ‘Khalsa Dharam Shashtar’, it is the God’s will that there is difference in physical structure of men and women. There is difference in gents-jewellery and ladies-jewellery. There is difference in their activities, like the birth of child etc. So, there is difference in men’s nectar and women’s nectar. I think this is not less than a joke. The Amrit is not jewellery. It has to do nothing with physical structure. The Amrit is a necessity to get admission into the School of Guru. If oxygen is needed for physical body, the Amrit is needed for spiritual body. We cannot live physically without oxygen; we cannot live spiritually without the nectar. The physical body needs the water; the spiritual body needs the nectar. It does not make any difference if one has not any jewellery. The differences in physical structure do not make much difference. The men and the women take birth in a same way. Both of them die in a same way. Both of them fall ill in a same way. Both of them laugh in a same way. Both of them weep in a same way. Why is there a different way to prepare the Amrit? The men and the women drink the same water. Both of them use the same air to breath. Both of them eat the same food. Both of them take the same medicine when they fall ill. Why do they need different Amrits (nectars)? The writer says that the Amritdhari men keep the ‘Khanda and Kirpan’ on their heads. He says that the ‘Khanda’ and the ‘Kirpan’ is a pair, as a male and a female are a couple. I think the writer is talking about the ‘Khanda Kirpan’, which is like a badge. Here I want to say that all the Amritdhari men do not keep ‘Khanda and Kirpan’ (a kind of badge) on their turbans. Secondly, there are not only ‘Khanda’ and ‘Kirpan’ in that badge, but there is also a ‘Chakar’ (a round shaped weapon). If the ‘Khanda’ represents a male and ‘Kirpan’ represents a female, then what about the ‘Chakar’? Whom does the ‘Chakar’ represent? And also, there are two swords in that badge. Does it mean a male should have two females? A ‘Khanda’ and two swords do not make a pair. And there is a ‘Chakar’ also. The writer has given a reference to ‘Rahatnama Bhayee Chaupa Singh Ji. In reply to this, I would like to say that the ‘Rahatnamas’ are not the Gurbani. There are many things in the ‘Rahatnamas’, which cannot be accepted. Interestingly, S. Kartar Singh Khalsa, Jatha Bhindran (Mehta) quoted Bhayee Chaupa Singh differently, “Jo Sikh, Sikhani Noo Khande Dee Pahul Na Deve, So Tankhahiya” (The Sikh, who does not give ‘Khande Dee Pahul’ to Sikhani (Sikh-woman), is a culprit). (See: ‘Khalsa Jeevan and Gurmat Rahat Maryada’ written by Sant Kartar Singh Khalsa, Jatha Bhindran (Mehta), page 180, edition 1977). Thus, there is adulteration in the ‘Rahatnama’. The writer says sarcastically that he, who supports ‘Khande Da Amrit’ to women, should pray before the God to transform a woman into a man. There is no need to pray for such a transformation. It is the God’s own will that some are men and some are women. He has the power to transform the women into men and the men into women. The Gurbani says, “Naaree Te Jo Purakh Karaavai, Purakhan Te Jo Naaree. Kaho Kabeer Saadhoo Ko Pritam, Tis Moorat Balehaaree” (He, the God, who transforms the woman into a man and the men into women, says Kabeer, is beloved of the Saints. I am a sacrifice to His image). (Sri Guru Granth Sahib, page 1252). There is another ridiculous argument against ‘Khande Da Amrit’ to women. The writers says that if a woman remains a woman, remains a wife and becomes pregnant as usual even after taking ‘Khande Da Amrit’, then what is the use of ‘Khande Da Amrit’. A man remains a man and a woman remains a woman even after taking ‘Khande Da Amrit’. If ‘Khande Da Amrit’ does not transform a male into a woman, then how can someone expect a woman to be transformed into a man? If we follow the Gurbani, ‘Khande Da Amrit’ can transform us into angels without any delay, “Balehaaree Gur Aapne, Diohaarhee Sad Vaar. Jin Maanas Te Devte Keeye, Karat Naa Laagee Vaar” (I am a sacrifice to my Guru a hundred times a day, who made angels out of human beings, and it was done without any delay). (Sri Guru Granth Sahib, page 462).

Are you talking about those Sindhis who don't support flowing beards and long hair? What use is the Naam without Maryada. For all i know we could be Japping Naam for selfish needs?

Muslims are like only 0.5% of USA. The greater threat is from Christian extremists. At least Muslims have some shame and safe guard their women. Taliban is a goverment voted by the Afghans and Bush was and is a <banned word filter activated>. Famine? why are Americans so over weight and own 90% of the worlds money.

Some people just like to give a slap back to the Singh Sabha movement. Mahants took over Gurdwarey and were worshipping several Granths, Hindu Gods and other manmat stuff like tieing a Rakhri to the Granth etc. There is only 1 Granth for the Sikhs that is Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Dasam Granth contains the autobiography of dasam patsaah so we respect that as well.

Too me it looks like Durga with a lions face? foolish people

Besoft you need to do more research on the word "Amrit". There is Amrit Bani, Amrit Naam and Khanda da Amrit (prescribed by Guru Gobind Singh Ji). Amrit Bani - Guru Granth Sahib Ji whose message is universal. Amrit Naam - Gurmantar Khanda da Amrit - Maryada Amrit bani is for non-sikhs as well. Amrit Naam and Khanda da Amrit is only for Sikhs.

.....so true i was listening to Katha and the Katha vaachak went on and on about Hanuman, Ram Chander (calling him Bhagwan) and stories from the Mahabharata. How many actually preach "Tat Gurmat". They do Katha of one line from Guru Granth Sahib and then spend the next hour talking about the Ramayana.

Yes, the UK is all messed up. I can't even see it on the map. There are proper Singhs in Canada and Bay Area.

If you do Paath of Guru Granth Sahib Ji (beginning to end) twice or three times the meanings will become very clear. Always remember the Mool Mantar, this is why it is given over and over again. There is no Granth like Sri Guru Granth Sahib, where you can actually talk with God, get to know God and meet Him just by reading it. So Sikhi is best for me.

Nice comments true we need bhai sahib randhir singh sant jarnail singh etc but look to the future! and not live in the past to much. harvey1 are you even Sikh with a avtar like that?

wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh I read this comment by a Afghan Muslim on a forum: "The Sikhs brought up by a mixture of Islam and Hinduism, were ferocious warriors who pushed us back into Afghanistan. They will either abort themselves out of existence (Kurri Maar) or cut their hair and become Hindus again" Although i disagree with the mixture part the rest is 100% true. You will see more Sikhs paying homage to Naina Devi Mandir than Hindus! The Sikh youth in Punjab are now 80% with hair cuts.

No where near a Gayetri Mantra. Go to Sridasamgranth.org for translation.

If the Vedas are saying God has 4 arms and a monkey can talk, then we reject it.

The Akal Takht Jathedar, Giani Gurbachan Singh commented on the relationship of Sri Guru Granth Sahib and the Sri Dasam Granth, “Puratan Rehatnamas state that the Dasam Granth and the Guru Granth Sahib should be read together”. He praised the Damadami Taksal for showing strength in resolving Sikh matters especially as they take their lineage from Shaheed Baba Deep Singh. :gg: does this mean doing Prakash together?

Bhai Harjinder Singh Sri Nagar wale Sant Anoop Singh Una wale Sant Sujan Singh Nanaksar Bibi Baljit Kaur Khalsa Giani Amolak Singh Bhai Sadhu Singh and many more Bhai Harjinder Singh is classic Kashmiris have wonderful voice

Certain modern westernised so called educated Sikh scholars have started questioning NAAM SIMRAN. This is infact laughable since Gurbani is full of Naam Simran itself HAR HAR HAR and Raam Raam Raam, sometimes upto five times in one go. They are reffering to this Simran as parrot fashion and Brahmin Mantras. Naam Simran is the nourisher of the soul without it, it dries up eventually. They are calling rosary as pakhand. If one reads Gurbani there is no doubt left about Naam. The reality is these scholars don't even read Gurbani on a regular basis.

Ignore these clowns. The world is going BANKRUPT. Who will pay their parents benefits most likely they will be sent back to Pakistan. They go on about returning back to Paki land and fighting with the Taliban etc but they never do. YES they have posted some random pictures from facebook and stereo typed Sikhs.

He got the answers quickly :lol: and all out of context. Since he is a Khalistani tell him Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale beleived that the whole Granth was written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. [red]This shows charitra of an unfaithfull friend who deceives his friend . Then it shows the charitra of simple minded money lender's son who is sincere towards his friend but had to pay him back in the same coin when he does not understand rule of good ethics[/red] Isn't that like rape for rape. Eye for an eye. Is this what Gurbani teaches? What happened to Jahaa Lob Teh Kaal Hai Jahaa Khimaa Teh Aaap? This personal vengence tactic isn't Gurmat and was the reason for downfall of Khalistani movement.