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Is this the same case where the family whose son was molested by the granthi, were intimidated by the committee/granthi supporters? Becasue the gurdwara committe were afraid that that it would ruin the gurdwaras reputation?

I agre with kphull where he says: to achieve enlighten you need to have prem (love). The only you may love, is to break out of any duality, breaking out of recognised differences between a Human being, may it be colour, religion or caste. You can not achieve this through religion, because you still see differences in a Human beings. ............Guru Granth Sahaib Maharaj is great spiritual teacher, but cannot be used as a Guru in any religious form, because Sikh was never a religion but a root to spiritual enlightenment.

Now that I have calmed down about this. I feel a little sorry for him. How come someone who is that close the guru on a daily basis not been blessed with enough self control to stop his perverted acts?? How come his beleif is still so weak? THIS REMINDS ME OF THAT GYANI WHO WENT TO DO PARCHAAR/KEERTAN IN CANADA FROM UK, AND WAS SEEN DRINKING WHISKEY ON THE FLIGHT! WHEN onlookers asked what he was doing he , he amde a joke about it.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Granthi-caught-watching-porn-clips-in-gurdwara/articleshow/4883683.cms Granthi caught watching porn clips in gurdwara Vaivasvat Venkat, TNN 12 August 2009, 03:58am IST Print Email Discuss Bookmark/Share Save Comment Text Size: | LUDHIANA: In an incident that shocked gurdwara goers on Tuesday, a granthi (Sikh priest) was caught watching clips of a porn film on his mobile phone that was hidden under the table on which he had kept the scripture. The granthi, who managed to run away after his transgression was noticed, had allegedly been doing this for quite some time. According to sarpanch Amrik Singh of Jhar Sahab, near Ludhiana, the incident came to light in the morning when a faithful praying at the Jhar Sahab gurdwara, managed by SGPC, found granthi Gurpreet Singh ‘‘wasn’t concentrating in the prayers and was rather distracted by something else underneath the table on which the scriptures were placed’’. ‘‘I was shocked to see that the granthi was actually busy seeing pornographic clips on his cellphone that he had cleverly hidden under the table,’’ said Jasbir Singh Gill, one of those praying at the gurdwara. ‘‘I immediately called the head granthi, Jaspal Singh, and we caught the man red-handed.’’ ‘‘We have registered an FIR under IPC section 295 (deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs) against the accused after checking the porn movie clips in his mobile,’’ said Rajesh Kumar, SHO, under whose jurisdiction Jhar Sahab falls. This is the second time in recent days something like this involving a granthi has happened. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODS although this is extremely vexacious, PLEASE leave this topic in this section, as it REMINDS us all to NOT blindly trust all Granthis and to keep an EYE on them, as not all are good characters. Thank god the sewaks caught this vile man, who watched pornos by placing his mobile underneath the Granth sahib ji GURU, while pretending to PRAY

Its good to have it on as much a spossibel,m i even hav it on whilst working. even if u catch one line an hour thats something good

thanks for the info jasmit.

Have a good trip

Dats hard to believe they wud dat in a gurdwara

Interesting!

How many on this site will actuallu go to india and fight for it, lol

Good thread

I will try to attend

Running everyday from anger ego lust

Why should we try to ban it ? THATS COWARDICE What if someone does the same to us? All they will do set up another one straight away! We need to ARGUE ?Debate INTELLECTUALLY or IGNORE IT

Singh n ting, u obviuosly haven't been followin my posts. Yes wen I first came to this forum I was anti muslim but over da last 6 weeks after pming wiv good peeps on da site and at gurdwara, I realised not all muslims are bad and my attitude 2 everything has changed. My posts ova da last few weeks hav been mainly bout anger, ego, hate, pride and attachement ruining lives and spiritual betterment. I am tryin to walk in the path of our gurus, and if my post in this thread offends u, bhul chuk maafe. Read my threads and post in the inspiratio section, it mite help u 2

FORDCAPRI - said : Been many good points made and good suggestions on what to do like martial arts, learn bout history, hand leaflets out side gigs is a good one, never thought that one ever actually. Also boycott their shops/businesses or reduce usage to an absolute minimum. I no it can be hard depending on where you are from, I reduced it £5.50 week I want it down to a zero, I also keep track of weekly spending in muzzie shops sometimes its 0.00 or can be up to £10.00. We need to make an effort dont use, their shops at all. I suggest using of Private detective, who provides surveillance evidence in the form photographic and video camera. People with sister/daughters and prospect futuer partners (futuer wife) should consider this. The link below is to a person who I recommend http://www.covertres....webeden.co.uk/ If you don't want to hire any one you can do surveillance yourselves with bugs, covert cameras, or text message retrivers. --------------- U DA MAN

SWANHOUSE said : How pathetic. is it there religion that makes them molesters??? -------------- Well said - AGREED ps ; IF U WATCH THE VIDEO, THERE IS NO ACTUAL molesting, LOL

I got to say The Warrior and Nehmat got to be one of the most Intelligent guys on this site, they always make meaningful mostly FACTUAL posts! Ur right India was a UNITED country LONG before the British empire invaded. Furthermore the GUPTA Empire and ASHOKA Empire United more land mass of India than even the British, In fact parts of modern day Afghanistan were also annexed to India in those times.

Becharaa these guys need to fight back adn defedn themsleves agasint the taliban, I mean they are only human too. I know they are outnumbered but they seem to have been humbled by the taliban, DONT FORGET OUR GURUS WERE ALSO OUTNUMBERED!

HUMKIRE said : We cannot keep looking back at memories of a glorious past . We need to create a glorious future . A lot of what we need to do does not require much money but instead requires new skill sets . In the main towns such as Southall ,Birmingham we need little stalls in the busy town areas where pamplets on sikhi are handed out especially on saturdays when people are out shopping . We also need amritdharee restaurants ,sikhi libraries ,sikhi bookshops in big towns . We tend to be aggressive towards each other but very pacifist,indifferent and inate when it comes to taking up new parchar challenges . well said

Satpunga I agree ur avtaar looks great. All Singhs should wear a turban like that, me included!! ------------- Cool water, I disagree when u say just as many Muslim girls are marrying Sikh men, as that is very rare - FACT ------------- Fordcapri - thanks for the info, i will try to be there, we ned more marches lke this. ------------ On a side note in my college and UNI, i generally found that the Hindu Punjabi guys were the most popular with the girls and most Hindu girls (Punjabi or gujrati) and Sikh girls went out with them. As they werent into converting anyone etc I also noticed that Muslim guys were often a second preference after Hindu guys ie for girls who wnated to play away and not get found out.- A lot of these girls ended up converting or running off with muslims And us Singhs were always called Paaji and that was it, lol ------------- When i asked girls why they dodnt go for Sikh GUYS they said it was the Kesh, looks adn sharaabi culture????? THIS WAS ANNOYING AS MOST OF US SINGHS DID NOT DRINK! AND LOOKED PRETTY SMART

1. Looks, a lot sikh girls prefer guys wiv cut hair and think muslim guys are better looking than keshdari singhs. 2. Muslim guys are very smooth, crafty and good at brain washing sikh girls. 3. When sikh girls want to play away from home hom and don't want it getting back to parents, they do it wiv muslims, but oin da end fall in love wiv em, and run off wiv them. Sad Solution is to make these girls aware of sikh history, eduvate them bout our gurus and what sacrifices they made 2 avoid being muslim, and how sikh girls committed suicide in 1947, rather than sleep wiv a muslim. Also educate them bout the agenda of muslim guys and their religion intolerance of women

Singhs like this bring shame upon the kaum, he got slapped by a Hindu woman for PERVING! http://www.ndtv.com/news/photos/album_details.php?albumPage=2&AlbumType=PHOTO_GALLERY&AlbumTitle=The%20woman%20who%20took%20on%20the%20Armyman To Mods, I accidentally posted this thread twice, please delete.

I agree with Hoshiarpuria on this one ; "If i was missing that point i wouldnt have posted the article, The Sikhs should never support a scumbag who is serving time for such a henious crime !!! So what the United Sikhs are doing is spending Sangats money on a wife beater.......Why ? ....... ....Its a disgrace "

Citizen Soulman writes such bile, or in his language "crap" its laughable. I will answer his Colourful ( red, white and blue), large fonted - Childish post : 1. When I say SIKH, Hindu, Muslim are just name tags, what I mean is we are ONE family, HUMANITY, belonging to ONE creator. True spirituality has no name or boundary. --------------------------- 2. When I say Guru Ji would not REFUSE anyone, what i mean is if a NON Sikh wanted to marry a sikh in the gurdwara, OUR LOVING Gurus would not refuse them, they would ALLOW them. Our gurus preached LOVE and TOLERANCE fo ALL RELIGIONS, SON. --------------------------- 3. No where does it say in the granth sahib that a non sikh can not marry a SIKH in the Gurdwara, I am only bound by the Granth sahib, not by a rehat maryada that CAN BE at times, susceptible to change and dictoral ISLAM preached closed Society and Dictoral regimes, Our Gurus preached OPENESS and ONENESS ---------------------------- 4. The Lavaa written by Guru ram Dass Ji, is a prayer which talks aboutu the Unbreakable, Everlasting union between the SOUL and GOD. Guru Ji NEVER said it was to be used for MARRIAGE. None of our gurus USED these LAVAA for marriage purposes, as the LAVAA are a prayer - talking about the union of the soul with god. READ IT I think its wrong of people to use the lavaa for marraige today, - THE FORM ADAPTED IN 1909, after passing of the ANAND KAraj Act in 1909. As the Lavaa prayer talk of an unbreakable union between the souls and god, however people today, who get married under it, get divorced, hence BREAK that union within 4 months. ----------------------------- 5. Actually my local gurdwara is a not a Ravidassia gurdwara ( although I have the same respect andlove for all gurdwaras and am NOT RACIST against ravidassi gurdwaras like seem to be). My local gurdwara has inter faith marriages all the time. Ieven attende a marriage in Birmingham lately where a non sikh amrried a sikh. OUR GURUS DID NOT BELIEVE IN CASTE DISCRIMINATION OR IN ANY SORT OF DISCRIMIANTION BETWEEN RELIGONS-MANKIND - SO WHY DO YOU WANT TO? ----------------------------- 6. On the Contrary Mr Citizen Soulman - what you call dillution, I see as Expansion and Encompassing all MANKIND INTO SIKHI. SPREAD THE LOVE OF THE GURUS, DONT BE DICTORAL OR SPREAD HATE. WE ARE NTO A CLOSED RELIGON LIKE ISLAM, WE ARE FREE JUST LIKE OUR GURUS WANTED. If someone has enough PYAAR to want to be married in the gurdwara let them, the seed will be sowed and eventually they may become GURSIKH ------------------------------------------------------------------- PS : Citizen Soulja - You HATE - HINDUS , You think RAVIDASSIA's are wrong and dont follow Rehat Maryada- Anger/Ego, You think Sikhs with cut hair are NOT SIKH - PRIDE, ANGER/EGO ...and YOU want other SIKHS to follow what YOU say????.......RID yourself of YOU vices rather than trying to be a a dictator. PS : i am also TRYING to work to be a better person by doing so myslef. Bhull chuk maafe