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THAT is the best :umm: That's one thing I'd read 4 sure, all its talking about is Naam haha wicked. i hope this gursikh keeps it up vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Canada is good. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Wow. So far it says only 19% of us keep Amrit Vela vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! (from www.searchsikhism.com) This is nice, to clear up faulty assumptions alleged by the Indian government and Indhira Gandhi. Please read it all, it's worth it 4. Hating and Killing Hindus and Others The Government blamed Sant Bhindranwale for 'advocating the killing of Hindus in Punjab so as to set in motion a general exodus', 'random killing of persons belonging to a particular community aimed at creating terror' and for 'carrying on a systematic campaign to create bitterness and hatred between Sikhs and Hindus'. As noted earlier, prominent intellectuals and the news media went along with the official line of thinking. Sant Bhindranwale emphasized the uniqueness of the Sikh faith being founded upon its set of beliefs and practices, not upon hatred of any religion. He advised everyone to be true in their own faith. The Sant did not consider Hindus to be 'close' to the Sikhs in their beliefs and practices. However, emphasizing the catholicity of the Sikh faith, he pointed out that Siri Guru Granth Sahib includes verses composed by some Hindu saints. Addressing the Hindus, he said : 'Who was Jaidev? Wasn't he a Hindu from amongst you? He was a Brahmin. Jaidev is sitting here in Guru Granth Sahib. If a son of a Sikh has made obeisance here he has done so at the feet of Jaidev, the Brahmin.' Sant Bhindranwale did note that even though Sikhs had defended the Hindus' right to free worship, Hindus were ungrateful. He said : 'The one who got the Fifth King tort ured on the hot plate was from among them; the one who administered poison to the Sixth King was from among them; the one responsible for the martyrdom of the Sahibzadas was from among them. For the sake of all of them, for the sake of their janeoo and tilak the Ninth Kinggave his head and now these people have had books published claiming that Guru Tegh Bahaadar Sahib Ji gave his head for some personal feuds and he did no service to the Hindus. What can we expect from the nation, the people, into whom such ingratitude has crept in.' Nayar, informs us that : 'Bhindranwale asked Longowal to give a call to the Sikh masses to purchase motorcycles and revolvers to kill Hindus in Punjab.' This accusation was based upon a public statement by Sant Harchand Singh Longowal, President of the Shromani Akali Dal. Sant Bhindranwale took Longowal to task for attributing to him something that he could never even dream of, namely, killing members of a certain community. During one of his speeches attended by many Hindus, he said : 'You have learnt from the newspapers, and from propaganda by ignorant people, that Bhindranwala is an extremist; that he is a dangerous man, a communalist; that he kills Hindus. There are many Hindus sitting here. You should carefully note how many I injure and how many I kill before leaving. You will be with me. Keep listening attentively. Having listened, do think over who are the communalists; whether they are the turban-wearers or your newspaper owners, the Mahasha Press.' Addressing this issue in some detail, he said : 'I have no enmity with the Hindus as such. If I were their enemy, why would I rescue the daughter of a Hindu from Jalalabad. ... Kailash Chander owns a retail shop here. His shop was burnt down. The Retail Merchants Union asked him: "Name Bhindranwale." He did not do so. The Hindu along with two Sikhs, the three of them, came to see me in my room. He came and started to cry. I asked him: "What is the matter? Why are you crying?" He said: "My sh op has been burnt down." ... I gave him the five hundred rupees. In Kapurthala, a copy of the Ramayana was burnt. The leaders of that place know about this. The Jatha spent 5,000 rupees in litigation over that. On the 4th (April 1983), two Hindus were martyred in connection with the 'rasta roko' agitation. Shromani Akali Dal and the Shromani Committee paid (their families) 10,000 rupees each and the Jatha gave another 5,000 to each family. If I was an enemy of all the Hindus, where is the need for me to pay all this money?' He did not at any time preach initiation of conflict or confrontation although he did advise resistance to oppression and to wanton killing of innocent people. In response to Indira Gandhi's accusation, he declared : 'She says that Bhindranwala destroys temples, that he does not like temples and wishes to destroy them, that he kills Hindus. Responsible persons who are associated with the Jatha go there and build temples. You can figure out yourselves whether I am in favor of destroying temples or of keeping them. Our Father sacrificed his entire family for the sake of (Hindu) temples and she gives help to people who destroy gurdwaras; to the followers of human gurus and of hypocrites. On top of it she blames Sikhs that they make trouble.' Emphasizing the need to stay peaceful and to avoid confrontation as far as possible, Sant Bhindranwale said : 'The Government is trying very hard to start Hindu-Sikh riots. Avoid this as along as you can. However, if the Hindus also get into the Government's boat and start to dishonor the daughters and sisters of the Sikhs and to take off the Sikhs' turbans, then, in order to save our turban, we shall take what steps the Khalsa, following the path shown by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, has always taken in the past. We might have to adopt those methods but we shall do so only when we are forced to. We shall not resort to those methods on our own. We have to be peaceful.' vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

(Hoping more people will vote)! vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Enemy vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

That's a very beautiful shabad, thank you for posting it. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Interesting results. But I shouldn't have put the "sometimes" there, I was trying to see how many of us keep a STEADY Amrit Vela.. I guess that could take some more of us out of 'sometimes' vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

oh thats interesting, i've never heard that before. What book was it? vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

No need for replies As long as people vote in the poll. We can't see who voted what Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh SORRY, I MEANT TO INCLUDE A QUESTION FOR THE POLL - THE QUESTION IS " Do you wake up at Amrit Vela to do your Nitnem or simran " Just wanted to see how many of us actually practice Guru Sahibs Hukam of waking up at Amrit Vela feel free to post any comments Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh

has this issue not been discussed enough times already MOD: GURU PYAREE SADH SANGAT JEO,PLS STICK TO THE ORIGNAL POST,SIKHI DOESNT BELIVES IN CASTE AND GENDER,WE ALL ARE SAME IN THE EYES OF SHRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JEE,IF THE DEBATE CONTINUES REGARDING WOMEN OR MEN THE TOPIC WILL GET CLOSED ,SO PLS STICK TO ORIGNAL POST (AS WE NEED AMRIT FOR SALVATION)

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! For God's sake, people, don't argue about things that have already been argued about several times - it's a waste of time (hint hint, Admins). machete -- you coming on here and preaching those beliefs (not to say they are wrong - thousands of Gursikhs think they are right, including Sant Jarnail Singh Jee Khalsa Bhinderawale) is the same thing as an AKJ Singh coming on here and saying "ok guys, keski is a kakaar and all of you should accept that." Even if a Singh believes that, he's smart enough not to come on a forum and try to enforce those beliefs, knowing that it will spur arguments. People keep their beliefs to themselves, rather than trying to start conflict. I mean honestly, hasn't this issue been discussed enough now? (on other forums too). In my humble opinion, it's all a waste of time arguing about anything like this. Just follow the Maryada YOUR Panj gave you. Humble opinion. Take it as that please. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Full Chaupai Sahib is in the following link http://www.gursikhijeevan.com/community/ph...6323#reply_6351 vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

eew yucky. how did we get from mrs gandhi to the khalsa? thats quite amazing (i wish i had the puking emoticon) Anyways.. Khalsa is pure so - Purity comes from "Bani"

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! Real Sikhs don't run around in the public and try to convince everyone that they are Gurmukhs. So many of the "real Sikhs" or "real Gurmukhs" stay Gupt, and the majority of people sitting in their homes don't really see those Gurmukhs. If you go to keertan programs, you get more involved in the community, attend smagams or ransabaees of whatever sort, you will start to see these amazing Gurmukhs, creeping out of no where.. Just because a few people "don't see Gurmukhs around too often" doesn't mean they don't exist. There are countless amazing Gursikhs living today - first of all we judge people too much - just by looking at someone once, you cannot really determine how much Bani they read and how much love they have for Guru Sahib. Secondly, there are so many people that *you* may not see or have not met... I personally know LOTS of people in my community that just take my breath away because of their dedication and love -- lots of people that have extremely high avasthas and would put everything aside for Guru Sahib. Lots of people who have high amounts of bhagti, who still wake up at Amrit Vela, who try so hard to follow Gurmat, who Guru Sahib has blessed with darshan and so much more... Gurmukhs are still here and always will be. Naam Rahiou, Sadhoo Rahiou . Even in KALJUG, Saintly people will still exist and prevail. We just need to look for them and realize... those are my feelings anyway. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

I agree

but then her heart melted when she realized that the pyara Mehtab Singh was actually on www.sikhitothemax.com reading Bani like Gurmukhs do So anyways ________

tolerance

Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji Maharaj vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj Says: Even though I have made mistakes, and even though I have been wrong, I am still called Yours, O my Lord and Master. Those who enshrine love for another, die regretting and repenting. ||1|| I shall never leave my Husband Lord's side. My Beloved Lover is always and forever beautiful. He is my hope and inspiration. ||1||Pause|| Waheguru !!! hik bhoree nadhar nihaal dhaehi dharas rang maaneeaa ||6|| Please bless me with Your Glance of Grace, even for an instant; please bless me with Your Darshan, that I may revel in Your Love. ||6|| vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Sri Guru Angad Dev Ji Maharaj vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

we cannot change Gursikhi or Gurmat to benefit ourselves we need to change ourselves for the sake of Gursikhi and Gurmat vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

By the way guys, the 6th King's name was SRI GURU HARGOBIND SAHIB JEE -- their name was NOT "Guru Hargobind *Singh* Jee" as some people above said :wub: (probably by accident) ? vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!