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This is not about hating them - this is simple fact as stated above they have been excommunicated by the Akal Takht and sangat tv gives them space - i will pull my donation if they don;t apologize to sangat on air for airing such excommunicated individuals.

Not sure anyone noticed - SANGAT TV gave air to naamdhari for an hour yesterday evening What is going on - have we lost the plot totally????

Veer many Thanks for posting the details - much much appreciated. And you are correct indeed - instead of spending £200 odd going up there it's better to contribute to seva84 or SOPW as we have 1m signauteres which will be handed in anyway.

I agree to however this is historic any which way attendance or not it matters anyhow. It's not about swiss media - its about the UN - they may not give a damn - if THE UN is at present recognised in the world then we need to present this to them.whether they do somehting or not doesnt matter - our duty as sikhs is to do something..funny thing no one still hasnt posted an adderess where the meet up will be-- great input here.!!!

Guys, First of all we are all bhullanhar - and with mistakes - however the reaction here is of anger - anger which has to be understood by our sikh media and they have a duty to present the show on beadbi. If they don't then they are big deendaars of Guru sahib. Sikh media must understand - they are only here because of SGGS and where there is a wrong and it's obvious it should be highlighted no matter whose ego's it is going to hurt.

Could some one also please advise of the exact address and time sangatan are meeting in Geneve to hand this petition to the UN. We should all aim to be there only a stone throw away from the UK

well sorry the website is a shambles - cant view them properly and of course they are too expensive - 100 dollars less than the prices advertised is right other wise way too expenive

well we ar sikhs - we are to make a positive out of the negative -- the hardest is of youth to run gurdwaras due to their work,study life commitments.and the old boaks have plenty of time - their own family mostly fall out with them so they only linger in the Gurdwara playground politcs which they love and enjoy andhave a great passion drive and plenty of time for it too. so whats' the answer: a bunch of 25 youth who can commit 5-10 hours a week in the Gurdwara can over take the whole lot of them - if they really had the passion for it. 5 - as main running of administraion of the gurdwara 5- for the darham parchar seva 5- for langar seva 5 - for building services 5 - for sport and other acitvities assoicateed can we find 25 who will be commited - if you can then go for it and stand - you will win and knock these old guys for 6.

100% spot on - on another note a protest should only be a protest not keertan - who is going to understand keertan ? i was shocked the way this has turned out now - it should only be a protest - i.e handing out leaflets - making people aware of what is our problem . even if you had translation up for gurbani there - it would be not be related to the protest.

what planet are you on sir - ? I disagreee - you need to read further - The akalis at the time used to throw horseshite at maharaja for his stupidty and this is factual. However to be fair I still say that kicked a** amritdhari or not - i have respect for him. Gurmat you talk of is warped - alchol at that time Sikhs didn't know about it - how absurd?

mr sat - great words thanks in advance - from where it started and where it is not what great input - can u see where this is going now? are we happy with this debate? how skilled we are - absolutley top rock

what did he get the lashing for by Akali phoola singh ?? - read history - he built a bridge for prostitiue- correct me if i'm wrong - how many wives did he have?

do you feel good now - i love the way you twisted my words and came out with all this garbage - stick to the topic - amritdhari or not - we all have to contribute to sikhe - some more than others -whether amritdhari or not - we all owe sikhe. Calm down darling stop twisting and taking my words out of context - this is what is wrong with youth - hope admins are paying attention

no one is geting irate - if you reread my comments prorperly i have never said cos he wasn't amritdhari - he didn't achieve what he should have - or would have lived longer - how absurd are you.your making up as you go along. LISTEN - HE WAS GREAT BUT THE FACT IS HE NEVER TOOK AMRIT- FOR THAT REASON WE SHOULD ALL REPECT AMRITDHARI OR NON AMRITDHARI - AS AT PRESENT WE DON;T IN THe KAUM- even NON AMRITDHARI HAVE AND CAN ACHEIVE GREATLY AS HE DID. AMRITDHARI DOESN'T MAKE ONE SPECIAL - WE SHOULD ALL TRY OUR BEST AT CONTRIBUTING TO SIKHE NO MATTER WHAT- Hopefully that may clarify wheere iam coming from - no more on this from me.goodness me.

if he did take Amrit - then why was womanising - drinking alchol -- tell me that - there is proof of this - he was not amritdhari . however don't get twisted just on this - i have deep respect for him for what he did which was kick some real a** and get on with whats at hand. now stop quoting me willy nillly and get on with you need to get on with - and stick to the topic- stop knit picking

agree he did sewa immense beyone our imagination - that's why he was great - but we all are human and make mistakes - so did he too- i have nothing further to add -

amritdhari ancestors or not - until one takes the dip himself - there is no way you can be amrtidhari just because your parents were ? which sikh refereance or history or maryada mentions that please?

He was given to the Sikh Kaum as a blessing from Akal Purakh- lets take the positives from his jeevan and learn and adpat accordingly. Each and every human has faults none of us are perfect - lets work at our faults first and before any critcisms - Ranjit Singh did immense seva - even though not an Amritdhari -

Guys, In Jap Ji -- " Ant naah japeee keyaaaa mun munt" There is no way of knowing what Akal Purakh has in mind next -- and Guru Sahib Jee said this in Jap Ji .. So why go wondering around this topic - it's a waste off time and talent you guys may have else where.

something really dont smell right - dal wich kala kala

That was due to the by election going on at the same time - mps' were buys all over the shop -- the timing was not good at all

no matter what THE MAN KICKED A88 AND BIG TIME -- WE SHOULD NOT CRITICIZE NONE OTHER THAT GURU SAHIB AND AKAL PURAKH ARE PERFECCT - ALL OF US ARE PRONE TO WEAKNESS AND FAILURES - SO TAKE A POSITIVE LEAVE OUT OF HIS BOOK AND LIFE NOT NEGATIVE

not sure what this will achieve - great getting 100000 signatures - but real issue is the UK is in DEBT and has no real power or say in the world. Cameroon went to India and came back with nothing - nothing.name me one thing he came back with? It's great we got together and did this but deep down i feel this effort won't go anywhere as the UK is not the UK of ol their soft and hard power is weakened dramatically in the world - but this is just my opinion. But above all lets hope the childish indian governement won't hang Bhullar Sahib and Rajonaa - i doubt if it would happen with a sikh being as prime minister - rememeber this sikh was made to apologize by the hindu government to the sikh - no hindu leader has ever done that - but they got a sikh to do it - so for a sikh to have a sikh hanged - doubt it won;t happen. Secondly whaht are sikhs in canada doing inthis regard - i know sikhs in America are kicking butt - but candaians what are they doing?

taran0 - your are 100% correct - simple thing we all get tested to whatever we claim to be - darshan got tested on his sikhe and failed miserably that is the short answer- who knows we can all fail make mistakes only we are only human. But the disgrace this guy has done continues to do so is worse. He didn't have to do this - there is no end to it no solution either.

Focus on You- forget all of them mate - aint worth the hassle