MiddxSingh

Scali ji, "Since you are part of creator your belief creates your reality." This is an example of mass brainwashing of all is one and there is no ONE personal waheguru propaganda. Your beliefs and thoughts may create a false reality, but the true reality works under Vaheguru's hukum. There are many tuks explaining that all happens under Vaheguru's hukum and we do not have much control. Again there are so many tuks, search them yourselves, best to do your own research then being spoon fed. This is why gurbani makes so many pleas to vaheguru ji to save us and ignore our avguns, because reaching him is not under our control no matter how many n30singh style gyan "i am god" jugtiya you use.

Singh Jio, you're doing it again! Read your post again particularly last 2 lines.

If only the "sikhs" of panjab followed Guru Dashmesh Pita ji's hukum of being always carrying shastars this wouldn't happen. Imagine these evil dushts trying that to a nihang singh, who normall carry big kirpan all the time, the singh would slice them all up. If you really want to help tell friends and relatives in india to carry a good quality big sword or an axe all times regardless of if they are amritdhari/keshdhari/mona. One does not need to be a martial arts expert in this situation, if a group like that comes just get your shastar out and go crazy like monster swinging the shastar madly everywhere until they all drop Please give this advice to dear ones in india and make sure they spread this message!.

N30 singh sahib, if you believe that all one universal oneness type thinking and there is no personal god (the way you keep saying sikhi does not believe in a personal god as christianty) then I feel you haven't read much bani but instead have listened/read to vihcaar which has all this is one consious, god is impersonal type thinking. Anyone who has read a little bani can clearly see the loving personal relationship between jeev and waheguru i.e. the countless personal loving bentis to waheguru ji in bani, the love-struck praising of waheguru ji in bani. All the tuks which say god is everywhere and in everything is true, but do not twist this to mean the chair you're sitting on is waheguru. Waheguru is secretly mixed in creation just as you get butter from milk, but this does not make creation god. This is an example of the dangerous extreme left mindset thinking in panth. Anyone who thinks otherwise is spiritualy lost as per sikhi. I don't think I need to post the countless gurbani tuks to make my point. Just do a few random searches on sikhitothemax!

The orginal poster is mistaking some spiritual experiences to being sachkhand, a mistake many many gursikhs, sants make when doing bhagti. Those knowledgable in akj i.e. having read the books of bhai sahib know this description by op isn't sachkhand at all. Reaching sackhand is ultimate and rare few are fortunate to be so blessed.

N30 Singh Sahib, you are concerned at some being too right winged in the panth today, however do you agree and realise that you are abit too left wing i.e. you have the opposite problem to "right wing" vale as you call them?

Few thoughts: It is good that numbers were larger this year but I believe there was a mistake by organisers, although not really their fauly. The rally should've been at trafalgur sq which is a prime location where outside public can see what's going on. This rally last sunday was abit out of the way and not a "prime" location compared to traf sq. Apparently indian gov did cleverness and got traf sq booked earlier in advanced to hold a hindu function so that we could not have out rally there. However our organisers should have also used some intelligence and moved back or forward the march/rally by a week. Let us not give in to their cleverness, if they manage to book traf sqaure before us, then just do it another week! The previous years have been excellent, with the initial meet up point also being in a prime location - a good march through main streets of london then finishing at traf sq. Even if turn out is increasing it wont matter if the area of the rally is out of the way from such a great prime location as traf sq. So please organisers go back to the initial meeting point, march and rally! We cannot get a better location.

If I have remembered it correctly, the reason why Gurmukh Singh Musafir relaxed the rule was due to his own wife stopped wearing her keski. As Jathedar of Akal Takhat, his position became tenable to enforce the rule. There used to be amrit sanchars at Akal Takhat every Sundays and Wednesdays (not sure if it still the case). As a solution for his personal position, Gurmukh Singh declared one of weekly amrit sanchar days (I think it was Wednesday) to will allow bibian taking amrit without keski. Over time, the day which did not enforce the keski rule became more popular and eventually the keski rule was relaxed for the Sunday amrit sanchars as well.

And again he ignores the gurbani..........

Why is it krishana seems to recieve some praise and then outright ridiculed and looked down upon in gurbani. This proves he didn't reach highest destination. How could guru sahib ever write insults against someone at pooran avastha? However he was also praised considering he wasn't a normal person. He did reach some higher realm and had alot of powers. The sants your thinking of cannot have reached the real gurmat sackhand. They've had some other mystical wonderous experience and mistaked it for sachkhand. This is common problem amongst sants. Thats why they think krishan is in sackhand. Why do you ignore Guru Nanak Dev in favour of your human sant gurus? There's a difference between having a role model and checking their vichaar with gurbani all the time to make sure they are inline with gurmat and its another thing to ignore guru sahib and blindly believe in your mahapurash. I challenge you to present recording of Sant Gurbachan Singh ji saying krishna reached the sachkhand which gurbani mentions. You'll find the opposite. kyqy pvx pwxI vYsMqr kyqy kwn mhys ] kaethae pavan paanee vaisa(n)thar kaethae kaan mehaes || So many winds, waters and fires; so many Krishnas and Shivas. From jap ji sahib in gyan khand pauri. Now talk...

N30 bhai sahib, I don't know if you are genuinly misguided or an indian agent trying to promote certain hindu ideoligies. Anyone, who manages to disprove your hindu natured points through gurbani, ithaas or just simple sikhi logic/reasoning you either label them as hindu phobic or new age whatever. As a so called sikh of the guru have more maan of your guru sahib (assuming the one and only satguru is really your one and only guru). You like to bring up the phrase "bhasuari mindset" alot whereas I could also start topics "warning" people against vendat hindu mindset which you love to say is really universal mindset. Bhausauri was a sikh who went over the top and let his limited mind over take him and as such commited great mistakes by rejecting bhagat bani and whatever else he did. Other gursikhs relied on gurmat sidhaants and scholarly works to make decisions on sikh matters, so don't make the mistakes of putting them in the category of bhasauri. Also Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh, who bowed his head to authority of khalsa panth, refused to meet bhasuria and told him he must first ask for forgiveness from akal takth. I love Sant Gurbachan Singh because despite learning about other religious topics particularly vedant, he never let that overtake gurmat principles and people such as yourself will never truly accept Sant ji's bachans and will rather follow other samprada gyanis who had less knowledge and less kmayee to put it frankly. My thoughts are inline with bhai sahib Randhir Singh, but Sant ji truly was a great gursikh gem who always did ustat only of guru sahib and kept the guru's rehit, where as other "sants" seem to think they know better then Guru Gobind Singh and think rehit is optional. Know this brother only an amritdhari may get to sachkhand. Who do you think oragnised the first amrit sanchar? It wasn't Guru Gobind Singh my friend, it was sri Guru Nanak Dev! Yes! in the form of charan pahul. 10th guru ji had to change marada as per divine will considering gurgadi was going to Sri Guru Granth Sahib. So those who want to be sikhs only of our 1st guru then fine. but wait...there's a problem - Guru Nanak's physical body isn't here to give charan pahul anymore so sadly they cannot become sikhs that way. Only option now is to take khande pahul. Stop your brainwashing attempts on sangat. Let us keep our full faith, acceptance and pride in our one and only guru and leave us alone. Fair enough sangat doesn't need to follow akj or new age taksal rehat as you like to call it, but let us keep our basic gurmat principles intact. Other religions: Why tell lies and be so chalaak(cleverness). Noone says they will go to hell! they can reach the points which their religions aim for, but not any further. Without gurprasad noone did and none will ever realise akal purakh and reach highest avastha. You can call whatever sufi brhamgyani, but the gurmat brahmgyani avstha (as written in gurbani - I know you have allergy to the word "gurmat") is only realised through the guru. The sants your thinking of cannot have reached the real gurmat sackhand. They've had some other mystical wonderous experience and mistaked it for sachkhand. This is common problem amongst sants. Thats why they think krishan is in sackhand. Why do you ignore Guru Nanak Dev in favour of your human sant gurus? There's a difference between having a role model and checking their vichaar with gurbani all the time to make sure they are inline with gurmat and its another thing to ignore guru sahib and blindly believe in your mahapurash. I challenge you to present recording of Sant Gurbachan Singh ji saying krishna reached the sachkhand which gurbani mentions. You'll find the opposite. kyqy pvx pwxI vYsMqr kyqy kwn mhys ] kaethae pavan paanee vaisa(n)thar kaethae kaan mehaes || So many winds, waters and fires; so many Krishnas and Shivas. From jap ji sahib in gyan khand pauri. Now talk...

The current situation (lack of love and respect between akj, taksal (and perhaps other samperdava) is mainly due to the Indian State machinary (government, intelligence) policy of divide and rule (which they learnt from the British). After Independance, the Indian State slowly weakened the Akali Dal as a panthic power base of the Sikhs. Then they wanted to weaken the influence of Gursikhs mainly in akj and Bhindranwala Jatha who were doing Sikhi parchar and amrit sanchars. They did this intially by "killing" off the active members during the militancy years of the 1980's and 90's. After 1984, the state started to exploit the differences (e.g. raagmala, keski, etc) to divide and weaken the Sikhs further. Before 1984, the sikhs (not just only the mahapurks) had mutual respect for each other and always celebrated the common values, rather than look at the differences. If the state machinary fully acomplish this policy, they will use this policy to further divide the other samperdava and other jathebandia with the goal of destroying the panth as an active and seperate community.

It seems the old singhs of Taksaal are still keeping the original sikhi alive

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