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Sat Sri Akal: Hey ju, shut up your face eh? Me and Sangat Ji trying to listen to Kirtan of Guru Sahib!!! All of this "Langar vich laduu hagae?" and "Pinky Singh Kithae Giya?" I should beat you like Punjab Police!!! :umm: :umm: :D Seriously, don't worry about what people say and talk about. Go to Rehansabhais and listen to Kirtan. Too much talking...go sit WITH the Kirtanias and do Kirtan!!! Plenty of Kirtan has occured in New Jersey Rehansabhais in which the Kirtanias name is not even known.

Sat Sri Akal: Same guy who thinks RSS saved Sikhism in 1984 no? :T: :umm:

Sat Sri Akal: Invite them in, have a discussion, tell them about Sikhism. They are driven, but they are not educated in other world religions. If anything, you will have dispelled someone's ignorance and at least familiarized another person about Sikhism.

Sat Sri Akal: Dear Mrs/Ms R. Dorothy Wayneright: First, welcome. Your theory of humans losing hair is onlypartly correct. Now, a theory. Our closest relatives are the chimpanzees. It is true that we do not have a furry coat as chimps on our bodies, but compare the hair on our heads. Whose is longer? Humans, of course. If one is to believe science, then one understands that such an adaptation occured because humans had a need for more hair on their heads. If hair on our heads was completely useless, humans would be nearly bald, similar to the hair on the rest of our bodies. It's there for some reason. Everytime it is cut, it grows back to that length. It is not a vestigal tissue, but rather a body part whose function is not fully understood by science.

Sat Sri Akal: Rehat Maryada: Chapter III , Aritcle IV-Meditation on Nam (Divine Substance) and Scriptures (B) Sodar Rehras compromising the following compositions: (i) nine hymns of the Guru Granth Sahib, occurring in the holy book after the Japuji Sahib, the first of which begins with “Sodar” and the last of which ends with “saran pare ki rakh sarma”. (ii) The Benti Chaupai of the tenth Guru (beginning “hamri karo hath dai rachha” and ending with “dusht dokh te leho bachai” (iii) the Sawayya beginning with the words “pae geho jab te tumre” (iv) the Dohira beginning with the words “sagal duar kau chhad kai” (v) the first five and the last pauris (stanzas) of Anand Sahib (vi) and Mundawani and the Slok Mahla 5 beginning “tere kita jato nahi” in the evening after sunset.

Sat Sri Akal: If Canada wasn't so cold, I wouldn't mind moving out there, run for office and open a Dhaba near Niagra Falls... If only the Almighty would turn up the thermostat there...

Sat Sri Akal: Ok, which one of you peoples here think that this movie will be done with Sikhi in mind? Yeah...wouldn't be surprised if thy got Maharaja Ranjit Singh doing Bhangra with an elephant. Sure...

Sat Sri Akal: Strange question to ask at a Sikh site when Sikhs are the most Chardi Kalaa people!!! :umm: Why be so depressed?

Sat Sri Akal: HEY!!! What about Indian Wrestling?????? It was the hand to hand martial arts taught by the Gurus to the Sikhs!!!

Sat Sri Akal: Es true. Guru Sahib is ever-present in the Guru Granth Sahib and the Sikhs who embody its teachings. Physical death of the tenth Saroop...think about it. The Guru Sahiban came and left when their time had come. They were one with the Almighty...all knowing and all present. The two Pathans were just the scenario through where the Tenth Master's body could complete his mission...that being to infuse the Divine Spirit into the Eternal Guru Granth Sahib. Who says the Tenth Guru Saroop did not know how he was to pass on or when? :umm:

Sat Sri Akal: Not worth even addressing. Just kick him out of the Panth and watch him crawl back to Delhi so his Masters can pay him.

Sat Sri Akal: Yes...description giving me gas. Ah well, at least Sikhs aren't a "sect" of Hinduism here... :e:

Sat Sri Akal: Maybe someone should "threaten" her with an invitation to a local Gurudwara for a day to see the people she bashed without knowing them?

Sat Sri Akal: "let me tell you what naam is." Any person with enough ego to think that he/she knows more than the Sangat or a Keertaniae...I would be a little careful around that person. This is how Kala Afganas are born. To such people, there is only one question: "Have you met God?" Take it from there.

Sat Sri Akal: Let them laugh...but when they scream for help when someone is attacking them, I am pretty sure that a mona drunk will not be rushing to the rescue. Vir Singh Sahib, much respect to you.

Sat Sri Akal: Contrary to your beliefs, all members of this board are not "Jatha" members. So please, do stop generalizing.

Sat Sri Akal: Ok, so far Learner Singh Ji, I have presented evidence that Gangoo was an ancestor of the Nehrus. You have provided no evidence to the contrary. Even J. Nehru acknowledged that his ancestor was Gangoo. Motilal even explained to J. Nehru that Gangoo turning over the Chotte Sahibzadae to the Mughals because, to him, they were a threat to Brahminism. If you choose to not believe so, then so be it. Do not try to dismiss evidence by stating that I must read with an "open mind". It is not a good defense. Every Sikh does an ardaas every day for the good of all. However, forgetting history and the individuals who have done wrong against the Sikh community is a grave error. What shall we do...forget what the Brahmins in power (go ahead, check their castes) feel about the Sikhs? Shall we forget when Gandhi repeatedly stated that Sikhs are Hindus? Shall we forget an official of the Punjab Government after independence declared all Sikhs to be "lawless troublemakers"? Shall we forget how Nehru broke his promise of Sikhs to be given fair treatment? Shall we forget how Indira attacked Harimandir Sahib and funded Nirankaris? Shall we forget the Delhi 1984 riots? Shall we forget Rajiv Gandhi's famous "When a tree (Indira) falls in a forest, the ground (Sikhs) shake"? Shall we forget the massacares of 1/4 MILLION Sikhs in the Punjab who "mysteriously disappeared"? A Sikh shall ALWAYS forgive, but a Sikh shall NEVER forget. Brahmin politicians haven't just made a few mistakes. Since the time of the Gurus, they have been scheming maliciously against the Sikh community. You told me to read history with an open mind, I tell you to read it with open e yes. Read how many times the Brahmin regimes have attacked Sikhs repeatedly. Read the words of the Indian politicians about Sikhs. Can't find evidence? Here is some for you: ( http://saintsoldiers.waheguroo.com/ss/?p=hinduleader ). Forgive any harshness you may feel in reading this post. Obviously, I feel a little strongly about this topic.

Sat Sri Akal: Bhai Learner Singh, J. Nehru himself writes in his Autobiography (1936) that his ancestor was Gangu Brahmin (aka. Raj Kaul), a Kashmiri Brahmin.

Sat Sri Akal: I defend what I like. And I like Bhai Sangat Singh's book for the reasons in the previous post. I am not anti-Kavi Santokh Singh, but it would be wrong to say that Kavi Santokh Singh's works were the almighty truth. Indeed, it is an invaluable resource, but it is not without its shortcomings. No "Jatha" politics here... BTW, sorry for assuming it was me... :e:

Sat Sri Akal: Oh Gabroo Veera, Guru Sahib stated in Sarbloh Granth "Jab Lag Khalsa Reheo Niara, Tabh Lag Tej Dio Me Sara" - as long as the Khalsa remains distinct (keeps its identity aka. physical identity) , until then I shall rush to their aid. Without that distinctness, Guru Sahib shall turn his back towards us. How shall Khalistan be made without the Guru's Kirpa?

Sat Sri Akal: Someone finally got the right idea!!! _______________________________________________________________________ PRESS RELEASE For Immediate Release September 16, 2003 Contact: Preetmohan Singh media@sikhmediawatch.org Phone: 202-393-2700, Ext. 27 Sikh Sues Delta Airlines over Racial Profiling, Harassment Sikh Civil Rights Organization Concerned about Airlines’ Failure to Adequately Train Employees Washington, DC – On Tuesday, September 16 a Sikh businessman will file a lawsuit against Delta Airlines, Inc., its affiliate Atlantic Coast Airlines, Inc. and the flight crew alleging acts of racial profiling, intimidation and harassment during a routine commercial flight. Immediately after filing the lawsuit at the U.S. District Court, Newark, NJ, the plaintiff, Mr. Hansdip Singh Bindra, and his attorneys will hold a press briefing at the courtroom steps and will be joined by representatives from national civil rights organizations. On November 26, 2002, Hansdip Singh Bindra, a software consultant who maintains a turban and beard in accordance with his Sikh faith, boarded a flight in Newark, New Jersey bound for Dayton, Ohio. According to the complaint to be filed tomorrow by Mr. Bindra’s attorney, on seeing Mr. Bindra board the airplane, the flight attendant approached several passengers prior to the flight’s departure and commented "she would not allow what happened before, on this flight," making reference to the terrorist attacks of 9/11. She then solicited the passengers’ help to physically subdue Mr. Bindra on her signal, because she felt he– the one wea ring the “turban” – would be “trouble” on the flight. Before the flight took off, Mr. Bindra retrieved a magazine from an overhead compartment. After assuming his seat, Mr. Bindra was confronted by the flight attendant, who informed him that he and others from “the Middle East” should maintain a “low profile.” Mr. Bindra politely attempted to inform the flight attendant that he was a Sikh of South Asian origin, but was told to “shut up,” “stay seated” and “do not cause any problems.” Furthermore, the flight attendant told Mr. Bindra that she felt threatened by his presence on the airplane and was going to ask the captain to take the airplane back to the gate so that Mr. Bindra could be removed by law enforcement officials. In response to these disgraceful events, a number of Mr. Bindra’s fellow travelers filed complaints against the flight attendant at the conclusion of the flight. Passengers were outraged at the flight attendant and felt she had lost her composure and she, not Mr. Bindra, was a security risk to the flight. Passengers have also submitted affidavits verifying Mr. Bindra’s version of events on the flight. Although Delta Airlines has been presented with compelling evidence of unlawful racial profiling, harassment and intimidation, it has refused to take adequate measures to accept responsibility for such inappropriate conduct. Additionally, Delta has refused to offer Mr. Bindra adequate assurance that it will train its employees in a manner that would avoid similar incidents in the future. Delta has also failed to disclose publicly whether any disciplinary action has been taken against the flight attendant. "An important reason why I am here today is to help put an end to racial profiling at the airports and on the airplanes in this country. There is simply no justification for racial profiling – period," said Mr. Bindra. His attorney, Ravi Singh Bhalla in a brief statement said, "There is no legal or other justification for the behavior of this flight attendant and Delta Airlines. Hansdip looks forward to telling his story to a jury of his peers in the coming months." In response to Delta’s attempt to sweep this matter under the rug, the Sikh Mediawatch and Resource Task Force (SMART), a national civil rights organization, is urging the Sikh, South Asian and Middle Eastern communities to exercise caution before choosing to fly Delta, until the airline takes concrete steps to prevent future acts of discrimination and publicly discloses the action taken in response to this particular incident. “Unless Delta takes affirmative, satisfactory steps to resolve Mr. Bindra’s lawsuit, and actively demonstrates acceptance of religious and cultural diversity among its customers, we will urge Americans, including those in the Sikh, South Asian, Middle Eastern, and other concerned communities, to take their business elsewhere,” said SMART’s President Manjit Singh. “First, however, we will evaluate Delta’s response to Mr. Bindra’s lawsuit before taking further action,” he added. Mr. Bindra’s lawsuit, among other things, seeks to mandate cultural and religious awareness training of all Delta employees to prevent acts of illegal discrimination against air travelers in the future, by ensuring passengers are not profiled on the basis of race or religion. Mr. Bindra is also seeking compensatory and punitive damages. The statements to be read at the press briefing by Hansdip Singh Bindra, Preetmohan Singh, National Director, SMART, Marie Watteau, MALDEF, and others are available below: Hansdip S. Bindra's Statement at Press Briefing (http://www.sikhmediawatch.org/attachments/Bindra_statement.pdf'>http://www.sikhmediawatch.org/attachments/Bindra_statement.pdf) SMART's Statement at Press Briefing (http://www.sikhmediawatch.org/attachments/SMART_statement.pdf) Statement of Support from MALDEF (http://www.sikhmediawatch.org/attachments/MALDEF_statement.pdf) View Time Line (http://www.sikhmediawatch.org/attachments/Bindra_ timeline.pdf) ### END ### About SMART: Founded in 1996, SMART is the oldest national Sikh American civil rights organization. Our mission is to protect the rights of Sikhs through legislative advocacy, public education, legal assistance and ensure accurate portrayal of the Sikh religion.

Sat Sri Akal: Gabroo Sahib, when you compromise the very values that you are fighting for, then the fight becomes meaningless and the fighter a hypocrite. Khalistan will be made when the Khalsa arise. Is it practically feasable? Sikhism is quite "impractical" really. If it was up to practicality, Sikhism would have died out a long time ago from all of the genocides and massacares. What the Almighty has made, nothing in this planet can destroy.

Sat Sri Akal: O...k. I see that this is directed to me. Alrighty then. First, Bhai Sangat Singh's book is one of the few works in the Sikh world that give voice to Sikh History through Sikh eyes. This critique has three major issues. 1)Vocabulary - the reviewers have a problem with the vocabulary. My opinion: Tough...I didn't. Bear with it. 2)Inadequate coverage of the pre-1947 history: My opinion: There are enough books on that. You got a problem...write your own. 3)Lack of evidence - Bhai Sangat Singh's book is riddled with footnotes and citations that point a person directly to where he got his evidence, more so than most other Sikh history books combined. Conclusion: Yes, there are shortcomings. But the amount of references, footnotes, evidence and history in the book makes it an essential read for every Sikh. I already stated this in another post: While the critique does bring up some potential revisions for another edition of the book, it does not state that the book is all wrong or lying or a complete myth (in fact, the critiquers call it a noteworthy book). Sikh History is riddled with problems. The highest work of Sikh History, Gur Partap Suraj Granth by Kavi Santokh Singh Sahib has Guru Gobind Singh worshipping Kalka and smoking bhang. Is it correct? No. But to completely ignore the work as an account of Sikh History (with errors) would also be wrong and deprive the community of its history.

Sat Sri Akal: Laerner Singh Ji, you gave a URL. Please quote some historical text if you would as forums are not the ideal place to find evidence (I read the post...it kinda goes round and round in circles...nothing there in terms of evidence). When a historian writes a statement, to counteract it, some evidence should be given to show otherwise, not people giving opinions on written text. If that can be provided, then it is an issue to address. No offence intended.

Sat Sri Akal: Sangat Ji, you guys are funny...arguing over Guru Sahiban's weight... Well, here are some stories to keep you arguing! The Guru Sahiban commanded power that we cannot comprehend. In Gur Partap Suraj Granth, Kavi Santokh Singh Sahib details this story (which my dad told me): Once, Guru Gobind Singh was getting ready to mount a horse. He requested one of his Sikhs to help. The grandson (I think) of Baba Budha Sahib volunteered himself for the service (he is reported to be quite the picture of fitness himself...VERY strong). Upon approaching the Guru Sahib, he thought "Guru Sahib is a tall and lean man. How hard can this be?" So Bhai Sahib (as I do not know Baba Budha Sahib's grandson's name) knelt to give Guru Gobind Singh a boost. Boy was Bhai Sahib surprised! The weight of Guru Gobind Singh was crushing and extremely heavy. Bhai Sahib was unable to life Guru Sahib. Guru Gobind Singh commented, "It is good that you have the strength of your grandfather (Baba Budha Sahib). Any other man would have been crushed."!!! Sangat Ji, these are the very essence of the Almighty. There is no measuring them with our methods. Guru Gobind Singh's father himself was no slouch either. Everyone identifies Guru Tegh Bahadur with the peace and sanctity of a saint, but his name gives it away. He was given the name Tegh Bahadur for his bravery in battle against the Mughals. It is history that when the Mughals went to spy on the Ninth Master, he was seen doing Gatka. He was practicing with such speed, power and fluidity that the Mughal spies left quite unconfident of victory. And everyone knows about Guru Hargobind Sahib versus Painde Khan. If not here you go...Painde Khan was an acquaintance of Guru Hargobind Sahib. Painde Khan is reported to be so strong that he could lift a horse up onto its back legs by lifting up the horse from its front legs with his bare hands!!! Due to ego, he left Guru Hargobind's side and went to the Mughals, to whom he became a commander of. In a battle with Guru Sahib's forces, a duel took place between Guru Hargobind Sahib and Painde Khan. Painde Khan, the one who could lift a horse up, was given three tries to strike Guru Sahib, all which failed (if this guy could lift horses, imagine the hits that Painde Khan would inflict and the power it would take to repel it). Then Guru Hargobind Sahib, being a Guru aka. teacher, statad, "Painde Khan, this is how you duel" and landed a fatal blow to Painde Khan. Upon nearing death from the blow from Guru Sahib, Painde Khan yelled out "Ma"! Guru Hargobind Sahib, who sought the welfare of even his enemies, told Painde Khan "Your death nears. Remember the Lord for salvation." With such stories, Braveheart is like a playground.