amarjeet_singh_1699

will the langar be suitable for all types of people?

It is in thinking as the above where the danger lies. To say that both shud have the same status, this is a very slipperly slope. Say someone 'discovers' some rare manuscripts or purataan steeks with names of nanak or gobind singh in them are we to accept them as being gurus word also? For the precendent will have been set with dasam granth and no one cud stand on two feet and argue against anyone who chooses to make a claim that is the richnavaan of guru sahib. Once we set the precedent with dasam granth then it will open up all kinds of doors for others who may only have evil intentions towards sikhi to take advantage of this loophole. When we attribute the dasam granth as the works of guru gobind singh then countless problems arise. As seen by above remarks, on the one hand ppl maintain that yes guru granth sahib is our guru and dasam granth is not, but then at the same time they will say that the work of dasam granth shud not be regarded as lower than guru granth sahib. who are we kidding here. We all know that only guru granth sahib is our guru so how can we even think of comparing anything with it? How can we even fathom the thought of regarding any other work on the same level of it? There is a reason only guru granth sahib the saroop is given parkash on manji sahib, wiht palki and chaur because only it is worhty of being our true king. SO if we accept is as our only True King how then can we sit another king at the same level or even mention another king as being of the same status? This is where problems and division in the panth will start (and in many cases already has). So let me make it absolutely clear, NO BANI CAN BE REGARDED IN THE SAME CLASS AS THE BANI OF GURU GRANTH SAHIB. There shud be no argument about this. If one wishes to even argue this most fundamental of sikhi sidhaant then we can never expect Sikhi to ever flourish. It does not matter how great, famous, learned, or spiritual the person is but if they dare to challenge that some other bani (no matter who allegedly wrote that) is of the same status as guru granth sahib then that person has no right to call himself a sikh. Sorry to sound harsh, but this is the most fundamental of sikhi principles which no invidiual has the right to violate. As a final note, i concur with bijla singh that we shudnt get mad or fight. We shud remain open and tolerant to each other and listen each other out and counter reason with reason, not hatred or emotion. Rab Rakha 140573[/snapback] ur not gettin the point. i agree the dasam granth is not our guru and it has some dubious things in there which appear not to be gurbani. BUT if youre telling me that u think that jap ji sahib is "higher" or "better" than chaupai sahib then ur rong. gurbani is gurbani, you admit that guru nanak dev ji had the same jot as guru gobind singh ji, so why should their bani be any different???????? how can u question gurbani? to even say that certain gurbani is lower than others is maha paap and i dont think you can call yourself a sikh if u have no faith in guru gobind singh ji's bani. so in ur nitnem 3 banis are less important than the other 2?

how can u compare gurbani which was written by guru gobind singh ji and gurbani in the guru granth sahib? both are gurbani and both shud have same status. yes the guru granth sahib ji is our guru and dasam granth is not, but the gurbani written by guru gobind singh ji should not be classed as lower than the bani in the guru granth sahib ji

i think the best thing to do about drinking milk, would be to go to a farm personally, a farm which u know treats their animals well, and collect milk from their every week, some farmers are really nice and mite even let u milk the cow yourself :TH: and obviously avoid all meats, egg etc. that goes without saying

isrIrwgu mhlw 1 ] sireeraag mehulaa 1 Siree Raag, First Mehl: suix mn BUly bwvry gur kI crxI lwgu ] sun mun bhoolae baavurae gur kee churunee laag Listen, O deluded and demented mind: hold tight to the Guru's Feet. hir jip nwmu iDAwie qU jmu frpY duK Bwgu ] har jap naam dhiaae thoo jum ddurupai dhukh bhaag Chant and meditate on the Naam, the Name of the Lord; death will be afraid of you, and suffering shall depart. dUKu Gxo dohwgxI ikau iQru rhY suhwgu ]1] dhookh ghuno dhohaagunee kio thir rehai suhaag The deserted wife suffers terrible pain. How can her Husband Lord remain with her forever? ||1|| BweI ry Avru nwhI mY Qwau ] bhaaee rae avur naahee mai thaao O Siblings of Destiny, I have no other place to go. mY Dnu nwmu inDwnu hY guir dIAw bil jwau ]1] rhwau ] mai dhun naam nidhaan hai gur dheeaa bal jaao The Guru has given me the Treasure of the Wealth of the Naam; I am a sacrifice to Him. ||1||Pause|| gurmiq piq swbwis iqsu iqs kY sMig imlwau ] gurumath path saabaas this this kai sung milaao The Guru's Teachings bring honor. Blessed is He-may I meet and be with Him! iqsu ibnu GVI n jIvaU ibnu nwvY mir jwau ] this bin ghurree n jeevoo bin naavai mar jaao Without Him, I cannot live, even for a moment. Without His Name, I die. mY AMDuly nwmu n vIsrY tyk itkI Gir jwau ]2] mai andhulae naam n veesurai ttaek ttikee ghar jaao I am blind-may I never forget the Naam! Under His Protection, I shall reach my true home. ||2|| gurU ijnw kw AMDulw cyly nwhI Twau ] guroo jinaa kaa andhulaa chaelae naahee thaao Those chaylaas, those devotees, whose spiritual teacher is blind, shall not find their place of rest. ibnu siqgur nwau n pweIAY ibnu nwvY ikAw suAwau ] bin sathigur naao n paaeeai bin naavai kiaa suaao Without the True Guru, the Name is not obtained. Without the Name, what is the use of it all? Awie gieAw pCuqwvxw ijau suM\Y Gir kwau ]3] aae gaeiaa pushuthaavunaa jio sunnjai ghar kaao People come and go, regretting and repenting, like crows in a deserted house. ||3|| ibnu nwvY duKu dyhurI ijau klr kI BIiq ] bin naavai dhukh dhaehuree jio kulur kee bheeth Without the Name, the body suffers in pain; it crumbles like a wall of sand. qb lgu mhlu n pweIAY jb lgu swcu n cIiq ] thub lug mehul n paaeeai jub lug saach n cheeth As long as Truth does not enter into the consciousness, the Mansion of the Lord's Presence is not found. sbid rpY Gru pweIAY inrbwxI pdu nIiq ]4] subadh rupai ghur paaeeai nirubaanee pudh neeth Attuned to the Shabad, we enter our home, and obtain the Eternal State of Nirvaanaa. ||4|| hau gur pUCau Awpxy gur puiC kwr kmwau ] ho gur poosho aapunae gur push kaar kumaao I ask my Guru for His Advice, and I follow the Guru's Advice. sbid slwhI min vsY haumY duKu jil jwau ] subadh sulaahee man vusai houmai dhukh jal jaao With the Shabads of Praise abiding in the mind, the pain of egotism is burnt away. shjy hoie imlwvVw swcy swic imlwau ]5] sehujae hoe milaavurraa saachae saach milaao We are intuitively united with Him, and we meet the Truest of the True. ||5|| sbid rqy sy inrmly qij kwm k®oDu AhMkwru ] subadh ruthae sae nirumulae thaj kaam krodh ahunkaar Those who are attuned to the Shabad are spotless and pure; they renounce sexual desire, anger, selfishness and conceit. nwmu slwhin sd sdw hir rwKih aur Dwir ] naam sulaahan sudh sudhaa har raakhehi our dhaar They sing the Praises of the Naam, forever and ever; they keep the Lord enshrined within their hearts. so ikau mnhu ivswrIAY sB jIAw kw AwDwru ]6] so kio munuhu visaareeai subh jeeaa kaa aadhaar How could we ever forget Him from our minds? He is the Support of all beings. ||6|| sbid mrY so mir rhY iPir mrY n dUjI vwr ] subadh murai so mar rehai fir murai n dhoojee vaar One who dies in the Shabad is beyond death, and shall never die again. sbdY hI qy pweIAY hir nwmy lgY ipAwru ] subudhai hee thae paaeeai har naamae lugai piaar Through the Shabad, we find Him, and embrace love for the Name of the Lord. ibnu sbdY jgu BUlw iPrY mir jnmY vwro vwr ]7] bin subudhai jug bhoolaa firai mar junumai vaaro vaar Without the Shabad, the world is deceived; it dies and is reborn, over and over again. ||7|| sB swlwhY Awp kau vfhu vfyrI hoie ] subh saalaahai aap ko vudduhu vuddaeree hoe All praise themselves, and call themselves the greatest of the great. gur ibnu Awpu n cInIAY khy suxy ikAw hoie ] gur bin aap n cheeneeai kehae sunae kiaa hoe Without the Guru, one's self cannot be known. By merely speaking and listening, what is accomplished? nwnk sbid pCwxIAY haumY krY n koie ]8]8] naanuk subadh pushaaneeai houmai kurai n koe O Nanak, one who realizes the Shabad does not act in egotism. ||8||8||

pardon me...this may be offensive to you..... Please get a Life! Colours...please....im a singhnee and wear any colour i want...there are bigger issues in the panth today and what colours people are wearing is not one of them and i dont see Maharaj ji taking preferences......locate bani! take care Chardikala! 139153[/snapback] thats not very nice at all "Please get a Life!" he simply stated a true fact. the khalsa colours are as he stated. just because u wear different colours doesnt mean u try and change this fact to suit yourself. and jus becos its not in bani doesnt mean we shudnt follow it. for example it isnt in bani to comb your hair twice a day or to eat only afta doin ur nitnem, etc. leave the poor guy alone and go do a sukhmani sahib 139280[/snapback] bro i dont know you and i dont know what u mean by go and do a sukhmani sahib....thats just....so not your place.... i live and let live....have no himmat of changing any facts and dont wish to either. neway i have my beliefs...u have yours....im happy with my beliefs you stay happy with yours. 139475[/snapback] chill. wats wrong with saying do a sukhmani sahib its jus a piece of good advice, as it gives u peace

what school are you at? and how old are the racist people?

simple question.. where does guru jee state the 'khalsa' colours?... please don't mis-quote Guru Jee... anywayz.... why are we discussing colours... that has already been discussed... lets stick to the topic... and btw... disguised... grow up... 139405[/snapback] where does guru ji state to wear bana all the time, to eat only afta nitnem is finsihed, to comb your hair twice a day?

pardon me...this may be offensive to you..... Please get a Life! Colours...please....im a singhnee and wear any colour i want...there are bigger issues in the panth today and what colours people are wearing is not one of them and i dont see Maharaj ji taking preferences......locate bani! take care Chardikala! 139153[/snapback] thats not very nice at all "Please get a Life!" he simply stated a true fact. the khalsa colours are as he stated. just because u wear different colours doesnt mean u try and change this fact to suit yourself. and jus becos its not in bani doesnt mean we shudnt follow it. for example it isnt in bani to comb your hair twice a day or to eat only afta doin ur nitnem, etc. leave the poor guy alone and go do a sukhmani sahib

hmmmmm, well that doesnt explain why in one of you previous posts you posted the following "waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh i'm darshan kaur frm uk....i'm a onli an ickle babi compared 2 the rest of u guys o well..i'm interested in ..sikhi....physcology and ..thats bout it fateh"

hmmmmmmmm kirtan is maaaaaaad eh? not a very wise comment d kaur (panchenoo wala)

if u have anything to say to people who post on tapoban, why not post it there where they can see it. too amny times now ive heard about tapoban singhs or ppl hu post oon the tapoban website and its not good

hmmmm, interseting pictures

umm....depends..................... :lol: 138635[/snapback] no it doesnt depend actually, dating is manmat. fullstop

All depends on one's mindset, I sometimes listen to specific hindi songs, qwali songs and still able to picture my Guru, links some of great lyrics to him...if one's mindset is ganda, or mindset has a high sensor to frantically look for gand in the song and ignoring the song, despite of no gand in the song..then blame your mindset and not the song. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 137149[/snapback] there is no point at all in lisnin to music, and to say the lyrics remind me of sikhi or somet like that, is pathetic, listen to kirtan you will actually get benefit and progress in your sikhi, try and do naam simran all day after lisnin to sum dum pop music, not gonna work. youre not a very clever person namstang, you go ahead and bops to music and tell me when youve reached the brahmgyani stage.

no, dont eat from such places. food prepared by manmukhs is like spiritual poison

who was osho, was he amritdhari? did he keep rehit? not eat meat and so on. i heard he had loads of partners etc. if so hes not so great

so wat do u make of the idea to tie up ur hair?

put ur kakaars bak on and go pesh at the next amrit sanchaar

right, to get back on topic. if u call yourself a khalsa you obviuosly shoudnt date, and to the stupidest reply of "attachment is great", no its not "eh kutanb too je dekhda chalai nahi terai nalai saath terai chalai nahi tis naal kio chit laieeai" when we become brahmgyani we finally destroy our 5 vices, until them we should always be fighting against them, going out with someone is kaam, u may be too blind too see that and covr it up with "oh no, its love, true love" but the only true love there is is that with vaheguru.

i agree with heera singh, wear a dumala and then they wwont be able to get near your hair

u shudnt lisen to music its kachi bani

try blanking out sangat of manmukhs, speak less with manmukhs, socialise less, the less manmukhs have an effect onj your life the better

So according to you sex with your wife for pure phyiscal enjoyment is not allowed? 136070[/snapback] obviously not ***** . kaam is not going to help you in your sikhi

And what about making "love" ithats and expression of love ??? you samosa, dating is sooo soooo wrong don't even thinkabout it it will wreck your jeevan and you will not progress in your sikhi , who do you love more your Guru or some stupid teenage crush ????????? 135457[/snapback] I find nothing wrong with kissing after engagement... for you kissing must be disguisting, anti panthic, manmat because after kissing you probably cannot control your own sexual repression and strive to do more out of lust. But for me kissing is expression of love where there is no element of lust. there is always two side of an coin. 135721[/snapback] how does puting ur lips on someone else express love??? the best way to express love is through naam and gurbani