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  1. BhForce
    Exactly. Social restrictions in our society are there for a reason. That's why we have nearly 1/20th the divorce rate of Westerners.
  2. BhForce
    Well, if they only had kaam feelings towards each other, it would have been one thing. But we all know that's 99% likely not the case. What's more likely is that both she and he fooled around (however you want to define that) with 4 or 5 people before "settling" for their current partners. Even if she/he didn't actually have sex with or even make out with other people, they did lust after them. After it didn't work out with previous partners, they settled for their current ones. In their mind, they have resentment for their partners because they think they could have done better. At some point or another, when the opportunity presents itself, then they'll take advantage of it to cheat. And that's why Westerners have around a 50% divorce rate. That'd be the same rate for Westernized Punjabis.
  3. BhForce
    Please don't do this. Are you 15? I don't mean that as an insult, but if you're actually mature, why not act like it? You must certainly know that the vast majority of Gurdwara presidents are there just because, not because they have any special deep knowledge of Sikh history. If you do, it is much better to talk with people one-on-one and let them know about Sikh history than to suddenly demand changes. That's an excellent way to split the sangat. Is that what you want?
  4. BhForce
    No, it is not "forbidden" to learn from a non-Sikh. Of course, you should never bow to the Namdhari "Guru". But that "Guru" is not going to travel from Bhaini in Punjab to England to ask you to matha-tek to him. It's no more forbidden to learn music from a Namdhari than it is to learn English from a Christian. Finally, if it would be forbidden for an Amritdhari to learn from a Namdhari, it would equally forbidden from anybody who calls himself a Sikh.
  5. BhForce

    Help plz.

    BhForce replied to a topic in GUPT FORUM

    Why do you care? Did you meet your great-great-great-great-grandfather, and you'll be sad if he's not in Sachkhand? Guru ji says to devote yourself to Gurbani. Would you not have devoted yourself to Gurbani if your ancestors were not going to be saved? So that's the only reason for you to read Gurbani?
  6. BhForce
    Sikhs in the UK have around a 2% divorce rate, general society has around a 40% divorce rate. Hooray for "backward thinking"! Huge numbers of people walking around are bastards (illegitimate children), products of those "friendships" that you praise. And that's 2019. Mate.
  7. BhForce
    I would say "small talk" is actually OK. Small talk is just the meaningless, "so, it's pretty cold out these days" or whatever else innocuous topic. What you really want to avoid is deep conversations with people that you don't want to get into a relationship with. Because having deep conversations leads to relationships.
  8. BhForce
    No, it's completely abnormal. To think that you can will yourself not to be sexually attracted is an exercise in delusion. A Westerner will either come to the point of being sexually attracted to his female "friend", or will decide to not be so close anymore. Human decency is saying "Good morning" when you see someone when you come into work. How in the world do you you equate that with a "relationship"? What's a "normal" friend? If by friend you mean someone that you talk with at work, fine. If it's someone that you have a "relationship" with, as you said above, you're on a destructive path. The point that everyone in this thread advocating traditional social mores is making is to avoid situations where those "urges" will come up in the first place. And they will, unless there's something wrong with you, or she's ugly, or something else.
  9. BhForce
    Good points. Communicating is like saying hello to your co-worker in the morning and discussing your upcoming projects. Or responding to a work email. A friend that you can call on all hours of the night is something totally different. Amazing that someone could try to promote opposite-sex "friendships" by badgering Sikhs about "what's wrong with communicating?".
  10. BhForce
    Amazing how you jump straight from "communicating" to "befriending". That's called equivocation (i.e., trying to make two different things seem to be the same). You're either lying, or even worse, deceiving yourself. Whatever. Do you care what Guru ji thinks? If not, that's fine, but what are you doing on this board?
  11. BhForce
    I really am speechless and don't even know how to react to that jihadi with the sign. I'm trying to figure out if he actually doesn't see the irony, and is actually earnest? In any case, they'll be "moderate" up until the point where you even so very slightly criticize Islam.
  12. BhForce
    Did they? They basically stole nuclear plans and such. They have uranium in their territory, which used to be our territory. I'm not aware that any power gave them anything. In an alternative history in which we had not lost our Raaj, the existence of a rural farmer would have mattered no more than the rural farmer or tribesman matters to the fact that Pakistan has near nuclear parity with India. No, I think that would be Pakistanis, with their huge % of birth defects in the UK, much more than their percentage of the population.
  13. BhForce
    Good statement. What boggles me is how people are making fun of Sikhs for supposedly "not even talking with girls" and then taking that and equating talking with "friendships". It's one thing to talk with a co-ed or co-worker. It's quite another to have a relationship with them. Also, there are different types of "friends". If by "friend" you mean just being pleasant to people that you see at work, that's fine. If you mean meeting up alone after work, you're on the path to bajjar kurehit (fornication).
  14. BhForce
    There's a vast amount of difference between "talking to another girl" and a "friendship". The Sikh view on this is one which has been posted before on this website. It's simply think of the person of the opposite sex like you would your sister. So if you wouldn't want to get it on with your sister, then don't think of that way with your female co-worker. And be honest, most people's entire reasons for engaging with female co-workers or co-eds is to get it on.
  15. BhForce
    Behead those who say Sikhism is violent! (Just a take on an actual photo where some jihadi is carrying a sign saying "Behead those who say Islam is violent." Lol.)
  16. BhForce
    What I asked is if you would do accounting for free, not teach Sikh music for free. Or plumbing, or doing truck deliveries, or programming, or whatever else it is that people do for money. And granted that people do seva for free, but that's your dasvandh (1/10th). That can obviously never be what your main work is, unless you're a multi-millionaire. If someone teaches music for free, that's wonderful, but that doesn't mean someone who charges for it is immoral. Also, there's no way someone could become a master of 60 raags in his spare time and then keep up his knowledge, too.
  17. BhForce
    That seems to be highly unlikely. "Elders who weren't thinking about any profit"? That would maybe be like some old lady teaching a neighbor kid how to play a shabad or two on a harmonium. I can't imagine how that would apply to a full-fledged ustad who has learned from top ustads and has learned and is teaching 60 raags of Guru Granth Sahib. Sixty. The vast majority of people (even some "ragis") don't even know one. That too on a dilbruba? The vast majority of even professional ragis wouldn't know how to even play sa-re-ga-ma on a dilruba, much less 60 raags. To want someone of that level of learning and accomplishment to work for free is just wrong, I'm sorry. It's disrespect of his scholarship. To the OP: you need to get your life in order. I don't know if you're a student or what, but get a job. Earn money, learn the value of a dollar or a pound, and then give that money with the greatest respect to an accomplished ustad, and you will earn some benefit. Otherwise you're devaluing our musical heritage.
  18. BhForce
    ਗੁਪਤੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਸੰਗਿ ਸੋ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਡਹਕਾਵਏ ਮਨੁਖਾਇ ॥ You may act in secrecy, but God is still with you; you can only deceive other people. ਬਿਸਾਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਬਿਖੈ ਭੋਗਹਿ ਤਪਤ ਥੰਮ ਗਲਿ ਲਾਇ ॥੧॥ Forgetting your Dear Lord, you enjoy corrupt pleasures, and so you shall have to embrace red-hot pillars. ||1|| Page 1001
  19. BhForce
    What's Basics doing these days? Is it taking a liberal bent like Nanak Naam? It's amazing what sort of stuff you can say when you've got a beard.
  20. BhForce
    I think it is extremely naive of you to think that someone should spend their time giving you individual instruction for free. What line of work are you in or are planning to go into? Would you do accounting work for free?
  21. BhForce
    I can't help but say that this may be the case, but how can any of us honestly begrudge accomplished masters their due? I mean, we all (or our parents) are engineers, doctors, lawyers, shopkeepers, businessowners, etc., earning a lot of money. If someone among us takes the time to learn dozens of raags and the fine points of playing stringed instruments, how can we expect them to spend their time on us for free? After all, ustad work doesn't have a retirement plan.
  22. BhForce
    Well, we could have. I mean, if the close-to-failing jihadi state of Pakistan can have basically nuclear parity with India, we certainly could have had a space program if we hadn't lost the Sikh Raj. Israel does.
  23. BhForce
    I think we need to be careful. If we are to grow, it will naturally entail nonPanjabis becoming Sikhs - I think it is dangerous to equate this to the issue you are referring to (which is an important, but a separate one). Clarification to both @dallysingh101 and @MisterrSingh: I didn't mean to say that you can't have non-Punjabis among Punj Piyare. That's fine. What I was making fun of was the thought among leftists (adopted by apne) that you have to have mandatory quotas among every group. So it's OK to have a non-Punjabi in the Punj Piyare. It's not OK to look around for non-Punjabis just for the sake of it, perhaps forgetting the selection criteria (hopefully faithfulness to Parmatma) along the way. I was also mocking the difficult mathematics involved in getting 3 "women", and 2 "men", some possibly homosexual, others transitioned, maybe one intersex all the while also trying to get the racial diversity "right" as well. The way the left is currently going, we won't even be able to have a requirement for speaking the 5 banis, much less have them memorized, because that would discriminate against the mute. If we were to follow along those lines, we would find ourselves in the position of the Church of England: no followers, empty churches, except as tourist curiosities.
  24. BhForce
    hypocrite. the living guru is jus an 'it' to u now? I don't think that's what he meant. I think he just mean "it" in the way it's commonly used in English. "It" doesn't refer to anything, it's just the way you construct the sentence in English. I.e., It's raining. What's raining? Nothing. "Read books. It'll help your English". It doesn't refer to books because books is plural, it is singular. Rather it refers to "reading." Or "Call your Mom. It'll help you." Here "it" refers to "calling". Similarly, "it will help you" refers to the act of reading Guru Granth Sahib ji. "it" does not refer to Guru Granth Sahib.
  25. BhForce
    Yes. And the Sikh panth will be like the Christian denominations who hilariously don't believe in really anything anymore, other than whatever the latest idea of the day is from the "hip" intellectuals. If you're only a year or so behind the curve, you're a racist, you're an able-ist, a homophobe, transphobe, etc. This, by the way, is in itself a good idea to keep sex-segregated seating in Gurdwaras, because it underlines the idea of two sexes. You will see a push for mixed seating for exactly this reason (that otherwise people have to make a binary choice). Also, you'll see people questioning Guru Gobind Singh ji's decision to make a binary split on sex naming his Khalsa members "Singh" or "Kaur". Since these explicitly split up Sikhs into male and female, that'll be the 1st thing on the chopping block. Mixed Panj Piyare. It'll be like a diversity parade. Every Punj Piyare will have to have 3 "women" and 2 "men", 1 of them, of course, transitioned to something, or nothing. 1 of them African, 1 white, 1 Indian, 1 Pacific Islander, maybe 1 Punjabi. 1 of them, at least, disabled. So they won't be able to sit in bir asan, of course. They'll have chairs in front of the Amrit bata. And so will the sangat. 1 of them will not even be able to speak, so they'll just use a voice synthesizer--Steven Hawkins-style.
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