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Keith Vaz is MP for Leicester which is another area (other than NW London/Wembley area) which is heavily populated with Gujeratis. He

The date that Diwali fell on back when our Guru was released from Gwalior should be the date we use. Simple.

We always claim that Bandi Chor Divas is not the same as Diwali. What better way than to not follow the lunar cycle. Let the Sikhs in the West co-ordinate and find the actual date and stick to it. There is no way the RSS/Indian government/Hindutva group will be able to do anything if we in the West and other countries outside India do this simultaneously. We must lead and then the Sikhs in India and Punjab will follow.

But the Gurpurab for Guru Nanak Dev Ji is the same date every year, why can't we do the same for Bandi Chor Diwas? I am quite fed up with it being a different date every year. There is no need for it.

Is it not about time that we stop following the lunar cycle and celebrate Bandi Chor Dinas on the day it actually happened?

They are a mercantile people. For some reason the trading people's are the anthisesis of Sikhi. I have some theories as to how they are the way they are, but I do not have time to divulge this. Though Gujus that are surrounded by a heavy Punjabi or Sikh population have a different attitude compared to the ones that live in Guju dominates areas or ones that live in whiter areas.

All the Gujerati fan boys will be out in full force considering it is in their heartlands.

Wasn't that little runt in Goodness Gracious Me?

They are mercantilists, part of the trading classes. The trading classes have always shown themselves to be most anti-sikh. It is kind of strange that they for some reason have a foot in the Hindu camp and the other foot in Sikh camp. It is like they are hedging their bets and swing in whichever way it seems favourable to them.

Their Chankian mindset will not accept their own faults because they think that it will create weakness which means that they will be taken advantage by others. Also it means they lose face which means other people's perception on them will change. Perception is everything amongst our people. By being self - critical also means they have to be honest, which is also an alien concept. Chanakya once said "a crooked tree gets cut last". A lot of our people have that mindset.

This protest is not even covered in the BBC. What does this tell you about the BBC? This institution needs to be dismantled.

Dallysingh101, The only way Sikh females will come forward is if more men come forward. The female leaders who step out of the herd are inspired by men not by women. Men lead, the women follow. Apologies for if my comment sounds sexist

I said nothing about making alliances. We all know what the right wing stand for, they will stab you in the front. The left are sneakier as they will stab you in the back. They are both racists, they just have different approaches.

Yes he did say Belgian Chocolate is better than milk chocolate. But it is me who is saying Swiss Chocolate is better than Belgian Chocolate. Belgium still none the less make great chocolate. They make even better waffles☺

Canadian Sikh community is by and large a post 1984 community therefore they are far more politically cohesive than the UK Sikhs. The UK Sikhs are by and large a post - war/post - partition community. These particular dynamics the kaum in different ways.

At least with right wingers you know where you stand with them. The ones on the left are ones you need to look out for.

Agreed.I do not like talking about caste. The leftists are actually worse and more racist than the right wingers. But they hide it and are authoritarian. They try to censor free speech particularly if it is against their agenda. From Facebook page, very useful regarding media dealing: To Basics of Sikhi, The next time "The Media" asks you for a Sikh Representative please ask the following: 1. What is the main exact topic of conversation. (Cultural/Faith) 2. How LONG is the Segment and who is the presenter. 3. Who else has been invited to the segment (seated or video feed) and their background/representation/experience. 4. Which faith/s is the segment focused on as the backstory, those individuals age/maturity, life experience and whether practicing/non-practicing. 5. What other segments the proposed segment links to BEFORE or AFTER the proposed segment you have been requested for. (i.e Hardeep Singh Kohli) This will give you time to meditate on and prepare for the topic. You could also see if any uninformed guests or linked FOLLOWING topics are or could represent a direct subliminal comparative reflection of Sikhs (Hardeep Singh Kohli) to the wider public/viewers as a subtle yet indirect reference to the topic being discussed. If the discussion is about marriage or relationships please send a learned FEMALE Sikh advocate as representation. Psychologically she will be more appealing and received as easily as female TV presenters are but with a valid Sikh perspective. If the topic in question is sensitive to the wider Sikh audience due to the immediate unrecognised climate of Human Rights or faith defilement in the Punjab you have the right to politely ask the BBC to rethink its broadcast. The above points will give you enough clarity to measure the weight of any presentation/topic. If you feel during the broadcast you're valid experienced practiced way of life is being misrepresented, ignored or being used as leverage to make a cultural affirmation to the many uninformed immature (due to age and experience) Sikh minds/viewers you have the right to contest this in advance or simply get up during the interview say "Thank You I feel I cannot continue with this presentation as it seems the practiced/mature experience of my input and the people I represent is being ignored or misrepresented for the cultural aspirations of the topic, I bid you Good Bye"....and simply walk off the set.

I was talking from the context of the two particular people Sanghera and Sian you speaking of. I would call them Self-hating Sikhs.

Jattis are one thing and they would need to be dealt with, they have self-hatred. The HP Khatris (some who may have Sikh relatives) have one foot in the Sikh camp and the other Hindu camp who I find in some cases quite twisted in their thinking. I personally known some HP Khatri Arya Samajis and their bigoted anti-sikh views of which I had to correct them on. Remember Bollywood is dominated by these lot and they play a big part in making Sikhs to look like big bumbling idiots.

People talk about Brahmin, what about the Hindu Punjabi Khatri as in this example? They seem to be virulently anti Sikh as in this example. Particularly if they are Arya Samaji they are full bile and vitriol.

Jagraj Singh: Swiss Chocolate is better than Belgian Chocolate ?

The reason I think that this cousin marrying happens in the Afghan Sikh community (Arora based) is probably because they are traders. Traders being mercantilists like to retain their fortunes so they "keep it in the family" so to speak. However, if future generations move out of their traditional trading professions then I would reckon things would change.

Maybe. There is a part of Pakistan that is called Kaffirstan and a lot of these tribes still believe in their animist traditions. They have red/brown hair and have green/blue eyes. In North West China lived a tribe called Tocharian with red hair and different coloured eyes. They have found well preserved mummies. I would not be surprised if some of the Pathan or folk from North West frontier are related to this lot.

I hear about this Pathan being descended from Greek malarkey before. A lot of these Bactrian-Greek kingdoms were in North Afghanistan, Kyber is Afghan - Pakistan border. Shah Rukh Khan is an ethnic Pathan, does not look Greek to me. I think there is another reason.

Aroras are not ethnic pathan.