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red bull is an energy drink, contains caffeine, taurine and glucose its not intoxicating. How is it contradictory?

It is true - later, but as a beginner theres no problem

is it so hard to believe that people would do such a thing...you live a sheltered life in Canada, in Africa and Asia withcraft is an everyday thing. according to different sakhis good prets just looking for mukti will make themselves heard to the person they appraoch, bad ones take possesion of the body Theyre attracted by meat and alcohol according to Suleman. A nitnemi Gursikh naturally has nothing to worry about. paath and ardas

tbh this is why I can understand plays like "Bhezti" are produced

india is a political entity, the only connection I have with it is that my ancestors came from land which is now part of India and that the Gurus lived in what is now India Britain isn't perfect, but as a Sikh I sure as heck get a lot more respect for my beliefs from Muslims, white, black and Asian people than I do from Indians..

I would say irrelevant ...we arent Indians

its tough they shoudlnt be driven away, but they shouldnt be allowed to continue if they want to be Sikhs. the problem is they think Sikhi is all about image, Khalistan, beating up people

I disagree, religion should not be imposed on anyone if they want to drink they should not identify themselves as Sikhs, thats all Sikhism is a path that must be chosen, nothing will come out of it if it is forced.

also read this from Sikhawareness the recording can be downloaded from here LINK

its not a contradiction - in this case the word 'believe' means we are not supposed to use them.

There are various subtle levels of realms that can only translate into english as heavens and hells. All will one day be destroyed and its not eternal damnation as other faiths preach. Waheguru transcends all these realms, and a Gurikh is unconcerned about them - all the devte in these heavens hope for human birth so that they have a chance at merging with Waheguru, the hells are places where you go if the bad you do outweighs the good, you stay until your lesson has been learned.

well yea they do, I don't have time right now for quotes - I'll give em later.

I disagree with the book. When I was 16 I slept less than you say you do, and I know people who hardly sleep even now, and they are *extremely* smart. Get involved on a more personal level with studies and your concentration should pick up in my experience lack of concentration is caused either by not caring - which you obviously do so its not that, and by trying too hard. Instead of trying to concentrate get personally involved in whats being taught in class and you'll develop a natural interest in it...

I wonder how you went 3 pages without realising the debate was whether or not it is an intoxicant in the form which it is used.

don't worry its a long documented phenomenon it is *extremely* rare to have family and parents that support a child's bhagti.

we've argued over this a million times - try searching the forum. Theres a bunch of people who don't believe in using jot, and a bunch who do. The jot is not there to 'make waheguru happy' or 'bring him closer', waheguru is already inside of you - the point is to do paath so you can recognise waheguru everywhere. I think the theory behind the jot is that it attracts gupt shaktia which purify the pace in which you are doing paath.

I think its a good thing. Sikhism should be totally voluntary, when we turn into a group that forces non willing people to become SIkhs for the sake of them being accepted in the society we'll get a bunch of people that do things against Sikhi in public and campaign to get the techniques of Sikhi changed. I dunno who said it, but volunteers make the best soldiers.

Why are you so touchy? Depending on how it is prepared, cannabis drink can be a blatant intoxicant. We all know there are some Nihangs who take it and get high. It is wrong as far as I am concerned for any kind of intoxicant to be consumed. They should not do it. 153528[/snapback] because its been said over and over. The argument that it makes you high is untrue, unless the Nihangs purposefully prepare it so that it gets you high. I personally don't agree with it but we need real arguments. As far as whether they should do it or not, I couldnt care less. If someone wnats to pervert the way they follow their religion then it doesnt matter - whether they do it or not they fail to understand the basis of Sikhi and are using it for their own personal means...like the people going around saying its ok to cut your hair/drink beer/eat meat etc If they want to do it its fine by me...its the parading of it as part of Gurmat that bothers me.

for like the fourth time I dont know how to make this any clearer If it is not prepared with heat there will be no intoxicant. The amount of resin from a whole bush let alone a few leaves has a negligible effect so that doesnt count either. Is there anything in that sentence that you didnt understand.

ok... I disagree though "Nanak hukmai andar sabh ko, bahar hukam na koi"

thanks for the quote. raw cannabis can only intoxicate if the resin is collected. Otherwise the THC is released only if heated... It takes vast quantities of raw cannabis to intoxicate, you could eat it as a salad and it would have no effect.

just force yourself to do it once you get into it and you get excited by the challenge and start enjoying the material you'll study coz you want to.

thats my point...Bundy killed those people, not pornography or are you saying that if he had never seen any pron he would be a model citizen

OMG IF IT IS NOT PRODUCED WITH HEAT IT IS NOT AN INTOXICANT. Do people even read the posts before writing. <.< can someone please show me where it is banned in gurbani.