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“why bring up a history which is best buried and forgotten?” Shonali Bose - Why I made Amu " quote " This is a wrong statement about Sikhs. Sikhs never forget ! Never ! Never! ) They have the highest RAM /ROM in todays world . But they do forgive when forgiveness is sought from a clean heart filled with thought of God. Each generation is replete with example be it Alexander , Mughals , Britishers , 1980's congress when Punjabis / Sikhs have avenged there honor at all cost. At the end of it they nutured no animosity to any one of them under the guiding principle of Sikhism " Nanak Nam chadi kala terebana sarvat tha bhalla " love hps

The More sikhs and hindus fight over there Gods . There are other religion in waiting to catch the wounded of these battles . What we sikhs and hindus never lost in Battle for Punjab /India in last 10,000 years of co existence from any enemy. We may now land up loosing India if we keep on fighting amongst our self. There is a similarity between Shia and sunni story trying to be re created here . Let us be wise like west and turn it into a intermidiate between catholic /protestant and shia/sunni model love hps

I do not know east or west stuff. Our gurus were universal in their thinking and there for proclaimed in there message of " Nanak Nam chadi Kala tere bana sarvat tha bhalla " I can see the same light of God in Newton , Einstein , Birds , Snakes and Osama bin laden. All of them are sikhs and non sikhs at same time by different definition and how we decide to see in them. I am how ever quite impressd by Newtons 3 law which in english language means " As you show so shall you reap " Nazis , al Queda sowed hatred and get back hatred . Christ , Nanak , Buddha preached love and are loved by millions around the world. love hps

The difference in Dasam Guru Durbar and Sarbloh Guru Durbar is that although Bir Ras (warrior essence) is born of Dasam Guru Durbar, it is Sarbloh Guru Durbar which gives an individual's warrior essence an everlasting, final and complete lethal cutting edge. With contemplation of Dasam Guru Durbar, ‘Chandi chr jandi te uttar jandi heh’, meaning 'spirit of war comes and goes'. With the contemplation of Sarbloh Guru Durbar, ‘Chandi sda chri rhendi heh’ meaning, one is always intoxicated in the spirit of war against ignorance. Thus it was from the Sarbloh Guru Durbar that the Khalsa of the Misl Period drew its greater strength and prowess. That is why Sarbloh Guru Durbar was the most secret and guarded of Sikh religious texts. Englishmen like Malcolm easily managed to procure the Adi Guru Granth and take it to Calcutta to study it. Colebrooke even managed to get his scheming hands on the Dasam Guru Durbar as well. However, the Sarbloh Guru Granth Ji because of it being guarded deep in the sanctuary of the Akali Nihang Dals, nevermind getting a hand on it, no invader never even heard of its existance. quote veerji please enligthen me more on this . I am very interested to know more about Dasam Guru Durbar and Sarbloh Guru Durbar . It is turning out for me a burning passion like that of holygrail for christians. wahe gurji tha khalsa wahe guru ji the fateh hps

Gandhi will never be worshiped by sikhs due to the difference in our philosophy. You but cannot critize Indians for liking him. Either the defence of india is so strong that no is able to conquere it. Inspite of Punjabis / Sikhs /jats/ Dogras / Rajputs ; India had to bear the torture of subjucation by mughals and Britishers due to seveal reasons. We never stood united against any of these forces. In Anglo - Sikh wars the Punjabis and Dogras got loggerehead and lost the Sikh empire. So if military is weak then the next option is non violence that is what Gandhi ji did. IF your army is down then there is no way one can stand up to the mite of imperalistic forces. If you will see the westeren philosophy / intillengence/ unity/military mite and the Islamic brutality You will realize that the Indian people pale into mediocrity at all these fronts. Our leaders need a little more vision and thoughtfulness. Do you think that in India 3 lakh people could have been killed as in Iraq and still have the tenacity to stand up . We would be on our feet begging fr mercy. having said this I believe the web of life is to complex to be anlayed in such an simple manner. These are nothing but statement of hindsites of events which have gone by. It is by remebering lords name that we become immortal . RK2 love hps

anyone got any ketchup to go with the chip on rupinder's shoulder...? hee hee hee! oh how i am so despised by the AK 47 crew and his little papoos.

RK2 = Raj Karega Khalsa Under standing spread of Islamic philosophy If Sikhs dream of Raj kare ga khalsa . This Raj cannot be obtained with a begging bowel ( like the currant Indian PM we have) For if Sikhs desire to leave a indelible ink in man kinds history they will have to ponder how there marching tune will be different from those of West or the Islamic jihad.march . Let us see the march Islamic philosophy march , west I shall discuss later Since its inception Islam in ancient Arabia in the 7th century it had a band of small follower who nearly got wiped out in early days . Persecution of the Muslims started late in the fourth year of the mission, after Muhammad had made his call public. Muhammad had already known that the Negus (title of the king of Abyssinia [Ethopia]) was a fair ruler who would not wrong any of his subordinates, so he permitted some of his followers to seek asylum in Abyssinia. In Rajab of the fifth year of prophet hood, a group of 12 men and 4 women left for Abyssinia. Among the emigrants were Uthman ibn Affan and his wife Ruqayyah (the daughter of the Prophet) and thus Islam represented by this small band was saved from extinction by a Christian King. ) Today they are in over 52 countries ( repeat 52 countries ) in last 1300 years . 1. 10.4 million Muslims in Canada and the United States 2. 2.2 million Muslims in Latin and Central America 3. 10.0 million Muslims in the European Union plus Bosnia-Herzegovina and Albania 4. few or none in Eastern Europe, Norway 5. 62.4 million Muslims in Turkey 6. 284.4 million Muslims in the Arab League including Iraq (with about 15 million Shia, 60% of the population) 7. 254.0 Muslims in Sub-Saharan Africa 8. 65.4 million Muslims (90% Shia) in Iran 9. 48.5 million Muslims in Central Asia - in Azerbaijan, Uzebekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, . 10. 26.7 million Muslims in Russia 11. 22.7 million Muslims in Afghanistan 12. 230.0 million Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh 13. 133.3 million Muslims in India - the world's largest minority population 14. 133.1 million Muslims in China - a close second 15. 196.3 million Muslims in Indonesia 16. 30.0 million Muslims in the rest of South-East Asia, especially Malaysia 17. few or none in Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Mongolia, or the South Pacific 1.5 billion people total From whom did they take there land:-- • from Christains like Egypt • from Jews like Mecca and Medina • from Buddhist like Afghanistan • from Sikhs/ hindus : the land of Punjab/Sind / Baluchistan / kashmir: So if you want khalsa raj to come then you will have to do some thing different from all of them. The rule of battle have changed from old days of sword and sawalakh concept. I will not be surprised if 1. UK 2. France 3. India states like Uttar pardesh , Assam and Bengal turn Islamic Wake up oh khalsa if you want your word to spread before Islam engulfs it. Already u guys are complaining that in UK all the media is hijacked by Islam. This is not to scare you but to tell you the magnitude of task that confronts you I can tell u that in India; Sikhs can on any opportune day (like in Iraq today) can be out maneuvered/bumped by muslims due to there size and its impact on politics. You could loose your land and woman right under your nose if they came to power in disguise as Mulayam Singh Yadav and Amar singh variants. They will share the booty as is happening in the great extended reservation debate going on in India. Paagri sambal jatta ( for all the Punjabis ) Wahe guru ji tha khalsa wahe guru ji the fateh Love hps

Dont under estimate Islamic philosophy Dont under estimate Islamic philosophy; if Sikhs dream of raj kare ga khalsa . Then the raj is not going to be given with a begging bowel ( like the currant PM has got ) . it has got to be planned and executed and obtained if Sikhs desire to leave a indelible ink in man kinds history. Since its inception in ancient Arabia in the 7th century; Islam and its band of small follower nearly got wiped out in early days; Today they are in majority in 52 countries ( repeat 52 country in a span of 1300 years ). There are 10.4 million Muslims in Canada and the United States 2.2 million Muslims in Latin and Central America 10.0 million Muslims in the European Union plus Bosnia-Herzegovina and Albania few or none in Eastern Europe, Norway 62.4 million Muslims in Turkey 284.4 million Muslims in the Arab League including Iraq (with about 15 million Shia, 60% of the population) 254.0 Muslims in Sub-Saharan Africa 65.4 million Muslims (90% Shia) in Iran 48.5 million Muslims in Central Asia - in Azerbaijan, Uzebekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan - formerly republics of the Soviet Union. 26.7 million Muslims in Russia 22.7 million Muslims in Afghanistan 230.0 million Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh 133.3 million Muslims in India - the world's largest minority population 133.1 million Muslims in China - a close second 196.3 million Muslims in Indonesia 30.0 million Muslims in the rest of South-East Asia, especially Malaysia few or none in Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Mongolia, or the South Pacific 1.5 billion people total and From whom did they take there land :-- from Christains like Egypt from Jews like mecca and medina from Buddhist like Afghanistan from Sikhs/ hindus : the land of Punjab/Sind / Baluchistan / kashmir: So if you want khalsa raj to come then you will have to do better than them. The rule of battle have changed from old days of sword and sawalakh se ek laraoo concept. It is the battle of reproductive power and inheriting countries. I will not be surprised if 1. UK 2. France 3. India states like Uttar pardesh , Assam and Bengal turn Islamic Wake up oh khalsa if you want your word to spread before Islam engulfs it you will not get land back which you loose to them it is one way loss so much for the intelligent white man and the brave Khalsa This is not to scare you but to tell you the magnitude of task that confronts you I can assure u that in India Sikhs can on any opportune day ( like one happening in Iraq these days) be out maneuvered / bumped off by muslims due to there size and its impact on politics. You could loose your land and woman right under your nose if they came to power in guise of Mulayam singh yadav and Amar singh variants This is to also tell u not to indulge in mental masterbuation of internet chatting but do some thing worthy of khalsa Wahe guru ji tha khalsa wahe guru ji the fateh love hps

it will be a desert if water keeps being diverted to other states,the thought of this as i was flying up into the clouds brought tears to my eyes seeing panjab from above,and to think at one time the great gurus roamed these lands,and how we had khalsa raaj, quote Answer :- Dont sound so pessimist brother. Sikhs are kicking and alive in Punjab and all over India inspite of 1984. Sikhs are known to survive in the harshest enviornment. Sikhi is thriving and flourishing where ever it has gone . Punjab is its home turf so it shall blosssom the best here ; Better than in UK , Canada , USA or Italy what and where ever u may be ; may Waheguru the father of all mankind shall see each of his children flowering. Nanak Nam chadi kala tere bana sarvatha bhalla; love hps

there is no one answer to your question? All I say is " ask no quetion and u shall be told no lies "

I was looking for going to work in Iraq / Afghanistan. How does one get there ?

Among the unique animal so called homo sapiens I find some group very loyal to there Gods to the point of commiting suicide attacks. 1) Muslims are the winners in this I do not know from which part of Qur'an ( Surah al-Maidah ) they get there faith to the point of becoming a " Suicidal bomber " 2 ) I think it has only parallel in Japanese bombers the Kamikaze http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze 3 ) and among Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Tigers I guess if Sikhi has any thing to say on this extreme manifestation of faith ?

subtle childish attempt to dismantle sikhism . Sikh will achieve their due glory inspite of all juvenile attempt to put them down. Sikh is the benefactor of whole mankind. " Nank Nam chadi kala tere bana sarvat tha bhalla " love hps

I m also of opinion that SGPC should appoint religous ambassador in each and every place of God such as Vatican Mecca Jeruslaem Nagpur/ Banras so that peace and harmony can be maintained in the family of homo sapiens family. Let the spirit of "nirvair " prevail amongst all. love hps

The more hindus and sikhs fight over there " GODS " more and more people in India will turn to peaceful religions such as Christanity / buddhism. Let us not sow the seeds for harvesting a Iraq like situation of shia and sunni conflict. Let us learn from Protestant/Catholic model which is more contemporary of dialogue and peaceful coexistance as a learning SIkh. Let us remember our prayers of " Nirbho and nirvair " and of "Nank Nam chadi kala tere bana sarvat tha bhalla" wahe guruji tha khalsa waahe guru ji the fateh love hps

Let me put it this way Veerji :- This is the beauty of being a " SIKH " an ever learner from with a unstoppable appettite for learning If :- 1 ) Dog teaches you faithfullness :--- learn from it 2 ) If cat teaches you to be cool :--- learn from it 3 ) If a donkey teaches you to work hard without protesting : :--- learn from it 4 ) If a monkey teaches you to do good acrobatics :--- learn from it 5 ) If a bird teaches you to soar as born free from bonds of gravity :--- learn from it 6 ) If the animal Homo sapiens teaches you to be intelligent , innovative , adventrous :--- learn from it Let us celebrate the learning SIKH and let " FAITHFULNESS be the motto for this week on this site " Wahe guru ji tha khalsa wahe guru ji the fateh love hps

Dear Veerji What would you do if there was a repeat of 1947 or 1984 or and 9/11 like incidence in your neighbourhood. Either we keep on fleeing from one country to other hoping some country would give us a refugee status in name of God or we sit back tight and defend our self , our culture our way of life and values we cherish like mentioned by you """The world should be able to see the Khalsa and see Spirit, Truth, Humility, Bravery, Equality & Human Rights. The Khalsa should be the backbone of society, """ one thing seen in history lesson is that Christian country like Egypt and In Indian sub contient coutries like Afghanistan , Baluchistan , Sind , Kashmir and vast tracks of Punjab were high jacked under the Khalsas nose ( sorry for being a spoil sport mirror ) due to his innocence ; We must learn from history there are valuable lessons in it or we keep on making the same mistake each time. To give an example :- Every human being is given a defence system in form of immunity and when HIV virus invades and destroys the immune system you can see the vulnerability of a individual and we know the consequences of it . So the question asked by originator of this title is very valid and should catch eye of our visionaries and think tanks in consultation with other members of society where we live. WGKWGF hps

On hearing this Guru Ji blessed Bhai Jetha : 'Your line shall be endless and your income and expenditure inexhaustible.' quote So we Sikhs have become Immortal hps

culture to follow laws of life and tend to evolve. Christmas of todays is different from yest years. Frankly I have had lot of Bhangring around Lori in India by the punju especially sikh boys. I was never even aware that it was celebrated for boys birth . I have celebrated Lori for both my daughter and my son in same gusto guess let us leave it to individual choice . u like it u celebrate it , u dont like it dont celebrate. let us not make a Sikh Shariat /Al queda code for it . just musing love hps

Dear Veerji; We know President Bush is leading a campaign against the so called war on terror. I am aware of fact However the war may head in three ways 1 ) If Bush wins the world will go on the way it is going on now. We will have laws , socities , culture , multiple religions , science , civilization and so on. 2 ) If he looses then we are on our own all around the world. We will have to defend our selves against a variety of bandits from which we must not be caught napping like in 1947 & 84. 3 ) It may simmer and be a protracted affair. So always remember that while you can practise universal mankind philosophy ; Ensure your security never let your guards down in any corner of earth. Never forget lessons of 47 & 84 so that we can keep on having love hps

This is the true spirit of Sikhi we are children of one God " Nanak Nam chadi kala tere bane sarvat tha bhalla " love hps

Certian news item pertaining to Sikhs such as listed below need attention by our thinkers and visionaries to see where we are heading :- 1 ) Years of molestation by priests alleged : http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Winnipeg/2...175445-sun.html 2 ) punk *** sikh finally does it in canada..disgraceful http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1992616.cms 3 )Moninder Singh Pandher and servant Surendra kill chldren and women ... www.dancewithshadows.com/society/noida-killings-moninder.asp Are these actions compatible with our philosophy of "NANAK NAM CHADI KALA TERE BANA SARVAT THA BHALLA " LOVE hps

Dear Veerji ; I believe Sikhism believes in "Seva". ( http://sikhiwiki.com/index.php?title=Seva ) If we are so concerned that our Hindu brothers are bathing in a very polluted river ( where our ancestors too bathed). : Let us give a "SIKHI" :nihungsmile: response to the the problem "be a solution to the problem rather than just jeering at it or compunding it ". " Let us clean Ganges in spirit of SEVA so that our Hindu brother are able to practise there faith without any danger to their health " under the banner of "NANAK NAM CHADI KALA TERE BANA SARVAT THA BHALLA " Let us not turn our religion like some religions in this world whom Pope described as mental masterbuation. Once the Ganges is cleaned by your forum members we can have a for a job well done. For then only will a Khalsa be called :awesome and love hps

I guess Gay traits arise in two circumstances . It has got nothing to do with the way we are wired there are no Gay genes identified till today. firstly : Men starved of girls ( example troops during prolonged military campaigns develop these feelings/ only male hostels or dormitatory). Secondly : People who have had enough of free sex with woman are bored of it and need some change especially in westeren socities. That is bothe excess of girls and there absence is bad whatis important is moderation. The ill effect of Gays is easy to forsee. Gay feeling may be a manifestation of God but so is will power which is also gifted by Wahe guru to ward off such destructive feelings. I guess simran , Naam , Jaap and living in a family life which our Gurus preached is the way to over come these thoughts. :TH: love hps

pope called recently that Buddhism was mental masturbation if I am correct ? Guess how many religion fit that bill. hps