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Not quite where Guru stands on this, but i understand where your coming from

Sorry to say baji but your own argument has flaws in it, it wasnt these so called youngsters who started any controversy or were challenging what is and is not gurbani it was Bhai Randeer singh jee. Im in no way bashing any group, akj or other, just when looking at facts and statement there is a right and wrong answer, There is no dualism in Gurbani

Maybe this is a wake up call for everyone who put people on pedestals and later find out there not the people who should have been there in the 1st place. Sat-kaar is only given to Sants and people of higher avaatas in Sikhi "Hukam n jaapee khasam kaa kisai vaddaaee dhaee" There is a clear definition by Guru shiab on who he would lay his own head to. Its someone who knows and has been to Nirinkaars desh

I've read similar articles, there does seem to be a correlation between intelligence and religious belief "A survey of Royal Society fellows found that only 3.3 per cent believed in God" "A separate poll in the 90s found only 7 per cent of members of the American National Academy of Sciences believed in God" Imo most people who believe in there own brand of religion dont actually belief in the tenets of there religion, in the 2011 census 59.3 down from 71.7% in 2001 identified them selves as christian. From the 100% of only 32 per cent of the census “Christians” believe in the resurrection of Jesus. Only 35 per cent could pick out the correct answer to “What is the first book of the New Testament?” when given a 4-way choice of Matthew, Genesis, Acts, Psalms. When asked why they had ticked the Christian box, only 28 per cent of those who did so said it was because they believe the teachings of Christianity. The most popular answer to that question was, “I like to think of myself as a good person.” What? You ticked the Christian box because you like to think of yourself as a good person? Are you serious? Do you think atheists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists don’t think of themselves as good people?

Great we need more Gursikhs like this questioning these so called leaders of our Faith, the slow decline of sikhism has gone under the radar

Well its simple one of the groups has to be right, but the way our culture works we do not openly disagree with people we believe to be esteemed gursikhs, also imagine if we come to a agreement that Raag Mala is Bani, the whole Akj movement would slowly fall apart, as if Bhai Randeer was wrong on this what else could be wrong about. The best way to go about this is to follow Gurmukhs who have reached Nijghar these are true Gurmukhs, by the definition of Gurbani. Not so easy to find, gurbani says there are 1 in a million but the way to know a fake from a true Gurmukh is told with gurbani.

Well this is extremely inconsistent, they allow people from the Nirankari cult to do kirtan on the stages within Guru Ghar, or people with cut hair and or may eat meat, but we ban Bhai Balbir Singh from doing so. If there is ruling against him it should apply to all the rule breaking Sikhs, start with the high profile ones first, eg. Bhai Baljit Namdhari.

Yes Read Sidh Ghoosth, though also read Anadh shaib

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Sorry for the hiatus, busy with worldly distractions Thank you to everyone who replied back My reason on starting this topic was to get peoples insight on what you believe about religion, as science's drive is to also to come to a understanding of the universe and to move our knowledge further for better or for worse. So my question is, Have you come across something in your field or in general that contradicts your belief in religion or faith, if so how did you square it mentally.

After reading most of the post and watching the Vid there is something there to discuss and for the "right" people i.e a lawyer to maybe take up the allegations, though a forced kiss isnt going to hold up in a court of law. This may have taken place but having this group of people representing her doesnt help her case as it feels as they have made up there minds and are now in the process of spreading what they believe to be the proof, rather than being a neutral body, i give some respect for being there to help this Bibi in her time of need right or wrong. Due process is needed here especially with such a high profile figure

Hello Sangat jee Im interested in a conversation with any fellow sikhs who have Graduated in the Sciences about there subjects and there thoughts on Religion

@someone I can understand someone would want to ask his or her fellow sangat about some mental issues, but its best to get Expert advice from a doctor in your local area, best not to talk to your family just yet they may not fully understand. If you are interested in what Guru Bani says about the mental state it should be calm without noises "thoughts" doing Path/Simran I'll be tracking this topic if you reply back, the sangat is here for you and ill do my best to answer any question i can. Vaheguru