MisterrSingh

Hmm... the atta thickens...

That's a sentiment I've noticed over the last couple of years that's being heavily pushed onto the sangat by various kathavachaks and parchaaraks. I wonder why they're going down that road? Funnily enough, it's an idea that seems to come from a certain brand of preacher; mostly rabble rousers and, if I'm being frank, the less learned / intelligent types of preachers that get stage time. Strange how the contemporary greats such as Giani Pinderpal Singh never go down that route, almost as if their knowledge and spiritual gian speaks volumes instead of telling Sikhs to stop trying with life and hope for the best, which we all know is how the masses are prone to interpret this particular sentiment. It's a rather dangerous and quite careless trend that should be curbed before it gets out of hand.

While what you say is certainly accurate, but it's not as if other communities -- non-indigenous or otherwise -- are thriving as we circle the gutter in this particular context. Male mental health is a vital issue across cultures and races, and those descriptions you used to highlight our problems as a community can equally apply to any other group. It's all there in plain sight, but we tend to prioritise our own problems, and believe that other groups and communities are having a jolly old time of it. I've spent some considerable time in the past year or so getting out of my comfort zone and generally searching out the real world, and I tell you people of all backgrounds are suffering in all manner of ways, and the blame and frustration we attach to what we feel to be uniquely Punjabi traits aren't as specific to us as we might assume. It's all there if you want to look close enough.

You don't need a gym to drink water, eat less, and move more. That's something the women in particular over there should be shamed into realising. They've destroyed their bodies by the time they hit 30, and it has NOTHING to do with childbirth. They have physical ailments, normally associated with people 20 years their senior, stemming from inactivity, poor diet, and a generally bad attitude. It's crazy because they don't have to worry about clocking-on; there's apparently "servants" for all household duties, so why is it still such an ordeal to carve out time to dedicate to one's health? Yes, there's definitely a burgeoning gym scene in India for males, but as with most things that are imitated from Western trends it's extremely superficial. Good health rarely enters the equation. Although the gabru who train for kabaddi and Indian wrestling aren't to be sniffed at.

Drinking water is an alien act to most Punjabis; exercise may as well be voodoo.

Remember, these outspoken so-called people's champions may like to position themselves as voices of reason for the common man, but they are no different than the ideologues on the other side of the divide. Don't get caught up in the rhetoric. They all are in it for themselves regardless of their assertions. Hopkins is a windup merchant, and a very amusing one at that, lol.

The Dogras. Maybe not in a purely Piri sense, but certainly from a Miri perspective the affects of their treachery arguably echo to this very day.

Where did I say they were wrong in tackling NKJ? I said they needed to find better ways of dealing with the problem, NOT that they endeavoured to tackle the issue in the first place, because at the moment DDT seem to be the only ones with the balls to be taking on the frankly cultish Dhadhrianwala outfit and his various offshoots. But, as I said, you will lose the battle for hearts and minds if NKJ are cast in a sympathetic light as the victims while DDT are painted as aggressors. That's not the best way to go about this issue. You need to rein in your guys and not be caught on camera giving the finger to people in Maharaj's darbar. It's bad enough police entering with shoes and boots, we shouldn't be contributing to the beadbi.

You went from being incredibly impressed by his musings to dismissing them as waffle, lmao. What changed?

NKJ needs to have its wings clipped before it becomes an unmanageable behemoth too large, protected, and precious to fall. Taksal are doing what they know and taking a large mallet to undo a tiny screw, lol, which is disappointing because it's counterproductive. Jagsaw is absolutely spot-on with his analysis of NKJ tactics. I might add my take on their recruitment strategies, if I have the time, in particular the TYPE of Sikhs they attract to swell their following. Objectively, it really is quite clever albeit cynical.

Aside from specifics, there shouldn't be blind spots for these personalities based on whichever supposed moral act that may or may not have taken place. Looking at the bigger picture beyond "he said, she said" should be our priority. Opting for the lesser of various "evils" shouldn't be a consideration when it comes to these people. It's not so much the specifics and details of their lives but the overall affect they have on the consciousness.

She's no better. Just as damaging in her own unique way. I'm surprised you can't see this.

There is some genuinely soulful and deep stuff by a few of them for whom it's an art; basically the guys who've been classically trained in Punjabi poetry and music, etc, but the crass commercial bakwaas that gets airplay on a wider scale is the stuff that makes us look weird.

Punjabi entertainers, whether they're western born or resident Punjabis (singers, etc) are the biggest clowns out there. The briefest of browsing through social media highlights how... weird they seem to be, lol. It's like they're plastic in every sense. And these people are unarguably successful in their fields -- fair play -- but they're seen as authorities and voices of status by so many of their fans. Dodgy.

Lassie was always saving kids stuck down wells and things like that, so I imagine he's probably earned a human janam by now.

With something like that one's first thought shouldn't be, "Evil Sikh! He's going against our religious principles!" A mature individual would view someone such as your cousin as someone who's ignorant of even polite cultural norms, because believe it or not there are many adherents of cultures -- western AND eastern -- that do not look favourably upon public displays of affection regardless of the occasion. But then why would you assume there's some hidden passage or line in Sikhi that endorses such behaviour? Is your cousin an authority or notable Sikh personality, whereby his behaviour is something to be measured against our dharam's norms, lol?

Why do we need everything spelled out for us? If, hypothetically, someone unearthed a previously undiscovered hukamnama that stated Sikhs could kiss in public, would you begin doing it? These questions are a clear sign of someone who hasn't listened to, read, or even understood, even in the most superficial manner, anything about the Sikh faith. It's Muslim levels of morality and Sharia. Youth and inexperience is no excuse. This kind of stuff should be ingrained.

Lack of physical fitness and knowledge on nutrition AND there's also an element of South-East Asian genetic factors (the skinny-fat phenomenon) that's a blight on our race, lol. But don't fall victim to the, "It's our genes! There's nothing we can do!" narrative. Fat, lazy, undisciplined people will use any excuse not to get off their behinds.

I nominate you as our leading light. Save us, Big Tera, you're our only hope.

We don't all look the same, do we? ?

They should do a follow-up and observe the degradation (minus the obvious impending events of the partition in '47), although ironically the opposite impression will be encouraged and sold to the observer. On that front we too don't do our cause any favours. I think they call it Stockholm Syndrome.

In decades gone by if a Sikh fought for Khalistan his body would be targeted for destruction. Nowadays they choose to destroy your reputation and your spirit. This is the state of the game. If you want to play with the big boys and upset their plans, you best hope there aren't any skeletons in your closet or that you're not up to bakwaas on the side while trying to position yourself as a kaum da heera or something of that sort, not that I'm suggesting the guy in the article was doing such a thing. Just something to ponder.

Absolutely, brother. A whole, unprocessed food diet is the best way to function broadly speaking. For purposes of training and body conditioning there are many ways we can obtain the things we need to aid in repair. Many will try to muddy the waters for their own interests by claiming cost, availability, etc., but everything we need to aid and supplement our physical efforts in the gym is available from natural food sources, and that includes the old school desi ingredients that have been mentioned.

They also knocked back eggs on a daily basis. They didn't carry out a lifetime of backbreaking work exclusively on a diet of flour and lentils. And I say this as someone who's never touched eggs in my life. We should never romanticise or even airbrush the reality of the past in order to strengthen whatever argument that's being pushed.

I would still sound a note of caution. There's a world of difference between a Singh who hasn't consumed any animal products (eggs and meat) since birth, deciding to go the "chia & flaxseed" way, and another Singh who's eaten it all since day one but finally decided to give it up. The former -- unless he's been clued up on vege nutrition as it relates to the male biological and physiological system -- is going to be lagging way behind in testosterone and similar things compared to the other Singh in the above example who's probably full to the brim with what's needed for a man to function at optimal levels. You start recommending the "chia & flaxseed" method to the first Singh when he's already lagging behind in what his diet should've contained, well then he's in trouble. Sure, a little estrogen is always needed for men, as women need some test, too, but I genuinely believe there's a little more nuance required in discerning who requires what, especially if we factor religious dietary requirements into the equation.