MisterrSingh

About time this trend was noticed. You'll get hate for this but the Truth has to be said. People get dewey-eyed and emotional when they observe an increase in young dumalla-wearing GurSikhs over the past decade or so, as if it's an indication that Sikhi is flourishing in the West. What these same people fail to do is scratch the surface and observe these youngsters closely. These young folk are like any other teenagers from around the world; they're searching for an identity, looking for somewhere to belong, wanting to be part of something greater than themselves. All noble pursuits. Yet, somewhere along the line they've been recruited (and I use the word "recruited" in the calculating way it's been presented) to expand the numbers of their choice of cult. Yes, I do believe this modern day practice of drafting young Sikhs into jathas to be cult-like. These youngsters are moulded and groomed to be loyal followers of their jatha and / or baba, whilst the Guru and his Bani comes a distant second. Their baba and his seniors quote tuks from Gurbani and add their own masala to the meanings to make it attractive to these youngsters who want to feel special above anything else. These distortions are knowingly created in order to hold onto this next generation of Sikhs. These people have devalued the sacredness taking of Amrit; let me be clear, Amrit itself cannot be devalued, but the kind of people strutting around in the garb of Gursikhs these days is horrifying. When was the last time they sat down and truly tried to unearth the khoj of Gurbani? I mean truly attempt to get to the heart of what it means to be a Sikh and a human in this world riddled with the 5 vices? Instead, Facebook, Twitter, and Snapchat is what they prefer to waste their time on, and then they flock to a monthly rehnsbhai dressed in all their finery somehow means the job is done, lmao. Neither their words, their ideas, or their thoughts belie anything Godly at all. It's a huge fraud, and these young Sikhs are being mislead in huge numbers. We should be very, very concerned for the future. But we're a nation of sheep obsessed with following Man and admiring his fleshly attributes. The Word of our Guru has never been enough for us. Well we deserve everything we get.

It is. Her upbringing and home life seemed to be one huge confusing contradiction. I have no sympathy and fail to identify with those of a promiscuous nature, but had this girl been guided away from those temptations and pitfalls it's pretty clear she had enough about her to be successful in any profession she chose. Aside from the bank jobs and associated criminal matters the rest of what this lady got up to is par for the course for most modern Punjabis, even those from apparently settled homes and "normal" lives (the pre-marital relationships, the consumption of alcohol, the relentless adherence to a materialistic perspective on life, and a general lifestyle of hedonistic debauchery). So the old chestnut wheeled out by defence lawyers during trials about an "oppressive culture" is very misleading. What of personal responsibility, morals, ethics?

Hello, I would like to have my forum name modified to 'MisterSingh.' This will end any speculation as to my gender. Thank-you.

I've just checked and I'm pretty certain I'm not a woman. Plus, how do my posts suggest I'm female, lol?! I agree with you on the whole, but just chill out. Can't go through life so tightly wound; gotta laugh at some things. Now if you'll excuse me I have to return some videotapes.

I'm not a woman I'm not supporting or even admiring her actions. I'm just saying you don't often hear of our girls in these outlandish situations. Yep, she's a criminal and clearly messed in the head, but she obviously is very smart - book smarts not necessarily the other kind - and has the potential to do good. She says she reconnecting with Sikhi after all she's been through, so that's great I suppose. Edit: I just realised my screen name sounds so gay. I'm not referring to "missing a Singh" emotionally but the other way, like a target. Either way I'm changing it. How do I go about doing that?

I read this article earlier. Fair play to her, lol, she's got balls, more than most Asian guys. I'm not glorifying criminality BTW, but she's original I'll give her that much. Her life would make a brilliant film, a Scorsese epic, hehe.

I meant real-life preachers or pastors, not actors.

Need to be cleverer than that. Can't be going all ISIS on these degenerates even if we think they deserve it. Use head not heart. Punishment should be in proportion to the crime committed. Above all, the whole world doesn't need to see it on YouTube. That's a complete nonsense, and no, it doesn't scare people even though we may think it might. If anything, it emboldens others to escalate matters if they think they can get a rise out of us. Unfortunately, subtlety and subterfuge have never been our strong points.

A combination of a lack of true understanding of Sikhi and spirituality / faith in general, a claustrophobic and materialistic Punjabi culture, unempathetic and emotionally sparse people, and an overall bad attitude to life. The crux of the OP's argument is, "If God and Sikhi was of any worth, I'd be rolling in money and my life would be comfortable." The REAL tragedy is that God has to bear the brunt of our own misunderstandings. He can't be affected by such slander, but we damage our own jeevans by doing so. Yes, I've been through incredibly hard times that would make people's heads explode, but never did I blame Sikhi for my misfortune. This issue has nothing to do with mental health or medical issues that are, mostly, quirks of fate and fortune (and therefore beyond our control), so I don't feel any hesitation in saying that this boy needs to man up and stop stamping his feet like a spoilt child. This entitled, whiny attitude needs to be dropped. Yes, I appreciate the irony of my earlier point about us lacking empathy, but this is ridiculous. Proof, if any was needed, that it's just too easy to look the part of a true Sikh, and much harder to live like one. No wonder good, decent Gursikhs get a bad rap when those with loose tongues slander all Sikhs when something goes wrong.

If they have any sense nobody should be making videos. News will spread by itself.

How did this come about? We have a clear picture of the guy in the pink T-shirt, so it shouldn't be too difficult to locate him. Find the young kid, then find these idiots. Are they Sikhs? I'm not kidding, some of our lot back home have a very questionable sense of humour. I dread to think what kind of negative mental affect this has had on the young child in terms of demeaning his Sikhi.

I think Jesus was a highly spiritual, elevated being who wanted people to connect to God. I don't believe he was God as his followers say. Dasme Paatshah can discuss or mention or pass judgement on such matters because, frankly, they've earned the right to do so. We haven't. Anyone with even an iota of spirituality in their soul (if spirituality is defined as a universal, creedless quality) would shudder to slander or even mock another person of God. We aren't Guru Sahib. We aren't even similar to his true Sants and Mahapurashs. Look where we are now - anonymous nobodies stuck in Churasi Lakh joons possibly for partaking in the kind of discussions that are ongoing now, lol. When we've done eons of bhagti, seen our father sacrificed for the defence of others beliefs, watched our four young sons give their lives for the sake of the purest of causes, lost our mother for her unwavering belief in those same ideals, then we can sit and pass judgement on these beings. Before then, as much as I may disagree with their relevant doctrines (in as much as the assertion that "it's my way or the highway" to crudely paraphrase), these beings are worthy of respect. Not worship or anything like that, but admiration and respect for where they are at this very moment, which is closer to God than we are. Plus, if we as Sikhs are so stingy in such matters it makes us look, frankly, a bit insecure in our belief in Sikhi, and dare I say a bit Islamic. They despise all other deities and prophets aside from their own, no matter how great or true they were. Acknowledging the goodness in someone else's holiness shouldn't mean ours is diminished in any way. I will say this: don't underestimate Guru Sahib. The other side of the coin (the opposite of the Deity Haters, hehe) are the fools amongst us who are quick to praise the other paths but deem Sikhi as a bit meh. Don't look at where Sikhi began and our limited numbers, etc., as some kind of indication of us somehow being lesser whilst others have more validity or anything like that. I implore all of you to have complete and utter faith in Gurbani (all of Gurbani, including Dasme Paatshah's, which is... life changing) and try so very hard to connect to its message. I swear to you, everything else in our lives is transistory and an illusion no matter how much we've bought into those other things. But anyway just my thoughts. Be strong and confident in your Sikhi so much that acknowledging the relative goodness of others doesn't diminish your devotion and dedication to your Guru. That's all.

You see, I'm in two minds about stuff like this. I believe that if you're truly genuine about your faith and you aren't attempting to rip off the innocent, mislead the gullible and vulnerable, or incite hatred and violence against anyone else, it's OK to be... passionate like those guys, hehe. It's not my cup of tea, but then the world is made up of different types of people which is great. However, if it's all one big fraud and deception for whatever purpose, then, no.

It's like something out of the Twilight Zone, lol. Should it even be a question?

How was he able to walk out with a saroop without being stopped? What was everyone doing at the time? And then buried the saroop?! Stupidity. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a way of inciting some Singhs to violence and worse in order to demonize Sikhs.

The Ridley Scott film 'Kingdom of Heaven' was released a few years ago. It's a film about the Crusades from the perspective of a Christian in the holy lands, and even before release there were Islamic scholars decrying the film as racist because it deemed to show the likes of Saladin doing what they did best, hehe. Sure, I wouldn't take history lessons from Hollywood, but as you said, the Crusades are a very sensitive subject for both sides even today.

In some parts of the U.S. it's crazy town when it comes to the evangelicals. It's full on End of Days, apocalyptic, Judgement Day kinda vibe, lol. It's one of the reasons the support for Israel is so vehement amongst these people, because they believe only through Israel will many Biblical prophecies come true regarding the destruction of the world and other things of that nature.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji instructed us to study and analyse the other religions. Of course, he also said that our faith in and knowledge of Sikhi should be firm enough to withstand any scrutiny from others or even our own mind when questions arise. Considering we don't live in a world where there is only Sikhi and Sikhs, "opposite religions" are incredibly significant to us; that is if you don't want to spend your entire life with your head in the sand. You do know meat eating is permissible for some Sikhs depending on maryada and / or jatha? What does that say about us according to you, lol? I've said this before but I'll say it again, I'm a vege since birth so I'm not endorsing consuming meat. Still happens though

Most major religions offer apocalyptic predictions featuring their enraged Messiah / Prophet returning to Earth to smite the evildoers and the unbelievers. Muslims believe the Imam Mahdi, the prophesied redeemer of Islam, will rule the world for a few decades. But it'll be cool to see them all return.

Probably afraid of being labelled as an extremist or not wanting to appear to glorify the carnage that occurred back then. As a neutral I've noticed that British society is very quick to admonish Christians and Christianity in general, like an irritable parent giving his unruly child a quick backhander. Admittedly, a lot's been done in the name of the Christian God, but when it comes to Islam there's nothing to be heard from these same people but the gentle rolling of tumbleweed and the chirruping of crickets, lol. Cowards. Myopic, appeasing cowards. If you're brave enough to slam Christianity then afford the same courtesy to Islam if and when warranted.

Exactly right. Appeasers throw the 'crusades' argument into the mix when trying to knock what happened during that time (not saying it was right, however Chriatians were fighting to reclaim what they felt was theirs), yet these same people fall silent on the barbaric spread of Islam by the sword of the Turk.

Hypocrisy is rife even in places where it shouldn't be that way. I take your point on board.

Hence my glib assessment of the situation. Although if I'd hazard a guess it's something to do with money? It always is somewhere along the line. They certainly aren't fighting for truth and justice!

This is what happens when you let impressionable young kids watch GoodFellas when they're growing up, lol. "Now go home and get your shinebox!"

Check out the comments sections underneath any article on the Guardian website that extolls the virtues of Ed Miliband, pleading with us to vote for Labour, and it's utterly terrifying. I'm definitely not a Tory in any sense of the word, so to see otherwise smart people falling for the rhetoric of what are mealy-mouthed, dishonest, and downright unreliable politicians and policy makers (whether they be of red or blue hues) is startling. The general consensus is "Vote Labour - the lesser of two evils (although suddenly Labour isn't apparently that evil) - to get the Tories out and then pressure Miliband to keep his promises." Lmao, the deluded hope these people possess is mind boggling; it's as if they've had their memory erased and 1997-2010 has been removed from their collective conscience. Very, very disappointing at how people can be so blinkered and partisan. There's no difference between the two parties at all. Not an iota. On the surface and for the benefit of us proles they play the game to present us with an illusion of choice, but once whoever gets their feet under the table behind closed doors, you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference. I don't know what the end game is as I'm not a particularly political person, but where this will end for the average person is a mystery.