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  1. Balkaar
    I find it very odd that someone who is mounting a grand defense of casteism has the nerve to call anyone who disagrees with him a 'low IQ Pendu'. This stone age nonsense which you are defending to the hilt lies at the heart of Pendu ideology. And thank you for repackaging exactly what I was saying into different words. It's pretty obvious that if Jatt Gurdware are treating mazbhis like garbage and aren't permitting them to function as equals, as I have told you, then the immediate implication of this is that they are not getting the support they need from the place they need it most, the Guru Ghar. This has little to do with massaging people's egos. More caste-based Gurdwaras will never be a good thing and no right-thinking Sikh could seriously advocate this. I'll repeat myself one last time. You don't know me and you don't know about any of the things I do, including what I do in terms of seva. I owe you no further explanation than that. I'll also remind you that I said that the Mazhbis aren't the ones who we need to be targeting if we want to uproot casteism, the Jatts are. And as for your hatchet-job quick fix idea, 'building the mazhbis Gurdwaras where they can be included', how would you make sure they were included? How would you make the Jatts include them when many don't want to? What you'd be left with is just another mazhbi Gurdwara, a Gurdwara segregated on the basis of birth. The Ramgharias and others also haven't built their own gurdware because they are marginalised by Jatts and need a place to call their own, but because they also think they are superior. Stop making excuses for this. There is no excuse for degrading a place of worship by making it an arena for some ancient indian d1ck waving contest LOL. As I explained, they aren't simply 'looked down upon', they are treated like second class citizens. I'm also aware why people leave one religion for another. One of the reasons is a similarity in views. Which is why, in light of your anti-Sikh views and general dullness, I'm very surprised you haven't left Sikhi for Hinduism. Your ideas have no place in Gursikhi.
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    If the Ragis are docile and don't push anyone's buttons, then people are much more likely to leave money in the golak. For the sake of understanding, we should try for one minute to imagine the Gurdwara as many on these committees see it - as a business. Every business needs good PR. Most Sikhs are not very religious, and if a raagi tried to persuade them to live within the rehat they'd probably start resenting him as a zealot and a fanatic. It would be very bad PR for the Gurdwara. Business may even suffer. Because people pay for a certain product. These people are paying money to us [the committee] so that they can come here and feel spiritual and good about themselves. They aren't paying to be made to feel guilty, or to hear the cold truths about their faith which they'd rather not face. They want the illusion, not the reality, so the illusion is what we'll give them in case they decide to take their money elsewhere. At least I think that's why Gurdware muzzle their ragis. Even our Guru Ghars haven't been spared from political correctness.
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    It would be better, but Punjabi culture doesn't exactly instil a mindfulness about the well-being of the economy and society. All people care about is making money for themselves, selling their land to the highest bidder so they can send their poor and unemployed kids to the West, where they can still be poor and unemployed but with more rain and KFC.
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    Quantavius, I wasn't aware you were the world's leading scholar on my habits. You're acting very familiar all of a sudden. Get a grip, you don't know any of us and you have no idea what we do with our time. Maybe we don't buy mazhbis Gurdwaras [LOL] or fly off to India to preach, but that's because most of us have families, duties and jobs to occupy ourselves with. Not all of us can be Jagraj Singhs, the wish to do something doesn't mean you are well suited to doing it, don't be so simple-minded. But when we have time, we help fellow Sikhs in whatever modest ways we can. Not that I should have to explain any of this to you LOL. Quit making wild presumptions about people you have never met and, if God is kind, never will. I'm not attacking Jatts Quantavius, I'm criticising people who think they are better than everyone else because of some accident of birth. You don't seem to understand very much about the problems facing mazhbis. They aren't in need of money any more than the average Jatt is these days and they definitely don't need me to buy any Gurdwaras for them. They have both. And anyway, building them their own personal Gurdwaras where they can be cut off from everyone else is hardly going to make them feel less like social pariahs is it LOL? The problem they are facing is Jatt supremacist ideology which alienates them in Guru Ghars and pushes them into the arms of cults, and to address this problem we need to be targeting Jatts, not Mazbhis. Luckily, there are many parchaaraks who set out to do exactly this, and even we on this forum are contributing to that debate in a humble sort of way.
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    Quantavius, Jatt supremacism isn't some harmless quirk or bit of eccentricity, it directly affects many lives. It is no coincidence that so many of the anti-Sikh deras in the Punjab rely upon majhbi and low-caste former Sikhs to constitute the bulk of their following, or that Christian missionaries are specifically targeting these people. They have turned to these cults to find the acceptance which they are convinced that Sikhi denies them, because of the actions of bigoted Jatt supremacists - excluding them from Gurdwara committees, assaulting them when they agitate for their rights [this still happens from time to time in my nanke's pind Talhan), refusing to sell them land because of their caste. You appear totally disconnected from the reality of it. I don't know how often you visit Punjab, if at all, but the implications of casteism there are not the same as they are for Sikhs like you living in the West, in a society where these labels mean nothing at all.
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    The dilruba is definitely a good instrument for beginners. The notes are very easy to find, and you probably won't get calluses like you would if you played the sarangi, which is also the hardest of these instruments to learn - but which arguably produces the most beautiful sound. I'm not sure how similar the sarangi and the sarandha are, but if you learn to play the dilruba you'll also be able to play the taus and esraj with little trouble.
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    I state the obvious only because I'm skeptical whether you have actually read Dasam Bani. If you had then I don't see why you'd be insisting that it goes into 'pornographic detail', because Guru Sahib doesn't furnish us with very many details at all in these tales. Indeed he rarely goes further than saying that so and so 'made love'. I've yet to come across anything about the pleasure that ensues when someone's manhood slips into a v4gina, or anything else rendered with such obsessive specificity as you seem to believe. I wonder whether these pornographic details aren't simply some colorful imaginings based on rumors you've heard about Charitropakhyaan. No, I don't know that. But I am more confident in my belief that many of these anti-Charitropakhyaan types oppose the Tenth King's Bani out of a selfish attempt to expiate themselves of the guilt and self-loathing they feel when their gandheh minds lead them to become aroused when reading Sri Charitropakhyaan, or when their active imaginations embellish it with raunchy details not otherwise specified. This is no poor reflection of the Bani itself, but only of their own corrupt thinking. Plenty of people are able to read this Bani like mature and dignified Gursikhs. The others have some growing up to do. And when they ask what exactly this 'sex' is? You'll have to create a story about someone's manhood entering something, unless you want to leave them in the dark forever. There is no healthy way to avoid talking about this, a fact which was not lost on Guru Sahib.
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    Where in Sri Dasam Granth does it explore such details as "the sensual pleasure of penises entering vaginas", or treat this as something to be celebrated? If you actually read it then it quickly becomes apparent that Charitropakhyaan is a condemnation of lust, not a toast to it. Sri Dasam Granth frequently mentions sex, it's true. But talking about something isn't the same as approving of something. And we're going to have to talk some truth about sex if we want to resist its dangers. Would you talk to someone about the hazards of overeating without mentioning food? It would be impossible. So how could you talk to somebody about kaam without mentioning sex? In Sikhi we face the world and it's evils, we don't run far away from them and bury our heads in the sand. That's the behavior you'd expect of a Hindu sadhu/yogi, not a Singh or Singhni of the Guru. You're a Singh Jagsaw, stop behaving like some Victorian dowager countess gasping aloud every time she hears something risque.
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    Agree with everything you've said, but I wonder whether certain segments is an understatement. It seems to me that the majority of Sikhs (particularly those who are unnafiliated, or members of less ancient jathas/sampardas) either refuse to acknowledge or seek to rewrite these historical truths.
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    That question was directed at nehkeval, not me. No, I don't eat meat. In any case, I wasn't even talking about that, please don't change the subject. The point I was making is that your idea that we do not need food to survive is so foolish that it hardly justifies your being so smug about it, lol
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    And I laughed out loud at at this. Are you joking? You know exactly what he meant by "how will we survive", and your comment is a perfect illustration of a 'holier than thou' Sikh finding stuff to be indignant about where there is none. Do you eat God's will with your roti? Do you drink God's will when you're feeling thirsty? I doubt it, it's quite difficult to log onto an internet forum and be extremely patronizing to people when you've starved to death. Don't hide your questionable ideas behind a veneer of profundity or Gurmat. Our Guru is all powerful, but there is no precedent in Gurbani for living your life like a passive sea cucumber just waiting for God to do everything for you.
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3545500/India-says-Koh-Noor-diamond-belongs-Britain.html So apparently an Indian solicitor has 'admitted' that "the Kohinoor was given voluntarily by Ranjit Singh to the British as compensation for their help in the Sikh Wars, in 1850" In 1850. 11 years after Ranjit Singh had died.... For British help in the ANGLO-Sikh Wars... Because their dismantling and subjugation of the Sikh nation was actually them helping us. Of course we have little right to this jewel, it was never really ours to begin with. We claimed it by right of conquest, as did the Brits. But this Indian lawyer's brazen distortion of the Sikh people's history in order to justify his country's cowardly surrender can't be ok.
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    I'm not really sure. Haridwar has always been a place of pilgrimage for the Hindus, but for some reason in the late 1700s it also seemed to attract Sikhs. We can only guess why. The famous sakhi which involves Guru Nanak Dev throwing water towards the west, in parody of the Hindus throwing it towards the rising sun in the east, took place here. There is a Gurdwara there to commemorate this event, perhaps it was this that magnetized Sikhs to the town. The Sikh misldars and Maharajas often built Gurdwara Sahibs outside of the Punjab at places which had been visited by the Gurus. They may also have been drawn to the deras of the Udaasi and Nirmala Sikhs, many of whom were and still are based at Haridwar. The Nishaan sahib was also used as a battle standard, the Sikhs armies carried it with them as they marched.
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    No, you're right of course. My bad.
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    Read what bhai sahib said more carefully veerji. He said Sri Sarbloh Granth first came to Punjab in around 1805, and he is right. Guru Sahib actually brought Sri Sarbloh Granth to the attention of the Sikhs when he was travelling in Nanded, the place where he left his corporeal form in 1708 (a lot later than 1698). It was said to have been jealously guarded by the Nihang Singhs who were present at Guru Sahib's pyre, and who remained in the Deccan. I don't see how Sarbloh Granth, in its current form, could possibly have existed in 1698 because it frequently mentions the Khalsa, which was of course founded in 1699. 1805 was around about the time the Sikhs of Punjab had finally recovered from the constant invasions and assumed their full height as a people, it is unlikely that they came across Sri Sarbloh Granth before this, particularly since there was very little communication between the Punjabi Sikhs and the Deccani Sikhs until Maharaja Ranjit Singh had established his Empire.
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    The DM is probably parroting what the Indian media have been told to say by the GOI. It's the same thing that happened in 1984, where everything the west knew about our peoples' struggle was glimpsed through the lens of Indian media censorship and misrepresentation.
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    So how can they desire to be eaten, given that they have no minds capable of desiring things? The mind is indivisible from the ego, one cannot exist without the other.
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    Of course plants have souls, but the soul isn't the thing that experiences wants, desires and feelings. That's what the ego does. Plants have no egos.
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    No, I can't, but we should clarify what the facts are here Singhji. The fact is that all forms of life (except human life) are geared towards a single-purpose, and that purpose is self-preservation (with the ultimate aim of the proliferation of their genes). Lifeforms, including plants, evolve by increasing their chances of survival, not by decreasing them, which would be the obvious consequence of wishing to be eaten. This idea of yours runs contrary to everything we know about biology. More than that, plants can't want anything - they have no brains, no minds, no nervous systems, no ability to think in the abstract (which is the prerequisite for wants/desires). I myself am a vegetarian, but that shouldn't preclude me from asking why plants are made to eat in your opinion whereas animals are not. This is a very messy idea you're tangling with, because it cuts in more directions than one. Some would argue that animals are after all made to be eaten by humans, given that we possess canines and digestive systems geared towards assimilating animal matter as well as plant.
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    More of this pseudo science? Do you feel guilty about eating plants, considering you believe they have feelings?
  25. Balkaar
    The BBC's morbid obsession with inclusiveness and token minorities is one of the most poorly kept secrets around Jagsaw. I'm not sure an audience plant in a Pagh will succeed in encompassing the downfall of the BBC, when the exposure of its horrific culture of sexual abuse couldn't even achieve this. It's going to be around for some time yet.
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